Yesterday.
A stretch of the recently opened Royal Canal cycle path.
Locals have reported they avoid the route due to intimidating and anti-social behaviour.
*shudder*
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Yesterday.
A stretch of the recently opened Royal Canal cycle path.
Locals have reported they avoid the route due to intimidating and anti-social behaviour.
*shudder*
wonder how long before the state decide to have drones flying above us recording us and any anti social behaviour. when they roll them out, anti social behaviour on the canal will be one of the justifications.
in an unrelated comment, no way id cycle along that area of dublin.
They already do, though to monitor more serious problems, though the drug dealers have signal jammers to cause problems with the drone signal.
“high-tech” now has new meaning for me :)
We can’t have nice things because scaldy kids know they’re untouchable and can lash bottles/stones/bricks at people with impunity, push them into a canal, rob their bikes, whatever they fancy for a laugh as even if they’re caught there are next to no consequences. Their parents if confronted will exclaim their ”little Tommy” would never do that and how dare you slander his good name, theys simply don’t care as they too are anti-social scaldbags living grim and empty lives with zero incentive to strive to better themselves, it’s far easier to drink cans on the dole and let the kids run riot than get a job and/or do some proper parenting, the state is culpable for how they reward layabouts and encourage people to have more kids to get more children’s allowance and higher up on the housing list, the more kids you have the harder it is to keep track of them, they copy what they see and what they see at home isn’t pleasant, so they re-enact it against innocent people.
The state needs to lift people out of poverty with sustainable wraparound policies which incentivise education and employment and help people on the margins have a better standard of living so they’re not stuck in the vicious circle into which they are born. In the meantime they need to bring in much tougher laws to discourage scaldbags from wrecking stuff and attacking people.
Not sure about tougher laws but it would be good if the Gardai would take a cycle down here a few times each day. They could start by enforcing the existing laws against fireworks as there are kids down there every afternoon and evening playing dangerously with explosives.
The Control of Dogs Act makes me liable if my dog attacks someone while out. Why can’t the parents (let’s face it we are talking of likely one parent) of these feral youths have some form of fine or punishment imposed for the actions of their offspring? There are very many decent people from these areas who manage to raise their children to be good members of society, often with limited resources, so we are likely dealing with a small minority who can cause serious disruption and upset for their own community and the rest of us, currently consequence free.
dogs≠people
Dogs are better.
+1
dogs just lie around licking their own balls all day, whereas broadsheet commenters… yeah, fair point
well put. +1
that was for broadbag
+1 Broadbag
I have lived in many areas of Dublin city and the suburbs over the years, and any time I was house/apartment hunting one of the important rules was, how close are the scaldy tracksuit kids to me. If it was too near, I would not live near them. Having already had a bad experience once for living too near to a dodgy block of flats in Dublin 8. Their was a pub across the road from it. You could see the parents drinking outside the pub all day, like alcoholics, it was grim, the kids used to cross the street looking for their parents in their pyjamas. Parenting levels were at an all time low, its not a surprise that in these rough spots the kids run wild. If they are under 16 the cops cannot do anything. We had an incident were they broke into the carpark and smashed up some cars! All on CCTV, but the Gards hands were tied. They told us they don’t even go near the parents as they are violent and abusive. Its very big problem, and for me it seems to be tied to alcohol abuse and drug abuse.
“Let rip with heavy blows of the auld telescopic whip baton across the face, skull, arms!!
Complete with barbs carved into it :) ”
I love the smiley face ending there. Not scary at all.
The incident near Castleknock of the kids pushing the Asian lady into the canal who was simply telling them not to be racist, was one of the worst instances I’ve seen in all my years. There is legislation to tackle the parents financially but it appears that it is not really being used, does anyone know why this is so?
The community around that area are absolutely fuming about the incident as it’s already been suggested the kids will get away with zero punishment.
When you live in a society that allows gangs to racially and physically assault people, and risk their lives (as she could have drowned) we must surely admit we have a serious problem on our doorstep, it is abhorrent that we ignore the pleas of the vast majority of wonderful people who just want to live a peaceful life.
This growing problem of scrotes/ lousy parenting needs the government to grow a pair of balls and start going after the parents with every force of the law.
It was pretty disgusting. The undercover Gardai may have merits, but would need to be in two’s as it’s too dangerous otherwise.
One incident I found pretty disgusting/distressing was that one in Carrigaline where the fellow was on the ground injured and there was another brave fellow going up to him and continually stabbing him as he lay unable to defend himself.
when i was young, the idea of the Stasi or the State in George Orwell’s 1984 horrified me.
But im starting to think there could be benefits for a more controlled society. ie free to cycle where I like, not to be pushed into a canal/river.
im off to write a prequel to 1984 wherein society’s crime grinds to a halt and resources are shared.
The lazy bottomed Gardai need to get off their butts and enforce the ample existing legislation. A rookie squad of enthusiastic Gardai fresh out of Templemore who haven’t been contaminated by their more senior members could put an end to scrote behaviour very swiftly given half a chance. They would have major public support too.
I lived in a part of the city years ago that struggles with this constant hum of anti-social behaviour. I remember once asking a guy (politely) to pick up his rubbish and place it in the bin that was no more than 3 feet away from him. He did, grudgingly, but he was clearly shocked that someone had the temerity to challenge him. A few mins later one of his friends walked over to me and dropped an empty Coke bottle at my feet, looked at me as if to say “”what are you going to do”. I chose to leave. It grates at me to this day, but I wasn’t going to tackle a gang of teenagers in front of my wife and kid.
This was 15 odd years ago and the problem has never really been tackled in large swathes of the city. I did my best to improve the area, involving myself in community initiatives etc. but we were losing the battle at every turn. In the end, I capitulated and moved out, lucky that my situation improved and I could afford to do so.
I have no faith that the behaviour on this cycleway will be any better. The money might have been better spend engaging these youths or their families in some way.
A mate of mine worked in a travel shop in Blanch and was outside having a fag, as he did on his breaks daily. Every day was the same, a bin 6ft from the door of the chipper two doors up was never used.
He’d seen enough one day and said to a young lad, “hey, would you not throw it on the ground, there’s a bin beside you”… Out of the chipper came the mother and the finish to the discussion went something like… “Sure I’m keeping them* in jobs”
*them being street cleaners.
He gave up at that point…. :/
everyone absolutely knows who’s doing this. teenagers. and they get away with it and they know it. so they wont stop. just like that poor lady who got racially abused and assaulted, the guards have said they are going to “talk to” the scumbags involved. literally nothing will happen. theres no deterrant for them because of that.
Was down there yesterday cycling home, 4 older lads mid to late 20’s blocking the cycle path not moving out of the way as I approached, one of their mates on a quad bike doing donuts on the grass, trashing the newly laid grass. I managed to get by them without incident but they were definitely trying to intimidate. Morons.
If they set up undercover Gardai posing as ordinary commuters, to catch them in the act and then some follow up that means the kids won’t go back there, that would help. The tactic of visible Gardai is not all that helpful as the kids will behave then of course, and we can’t have Gardai there all the time, so it needs some kind of sting operation to catch them red handed and use whatever legislation to remove them from the area, and maybe a ban from being in certain areas.
As noted above, when these kids grow up and are old enough to be punished by the law next to nothing changes, the legal merry-go-round kicks in and they enter a system where everyone involved takes a nice healthy cut and ultimately the judge lets them off 40 or 50 times so everyone in ‘the club’ gets paid 40 or 50 times, rinse and repeat – if you were a Garda could you be bothered putting your health at risk tackling these scrotes who you’ve already arrested multiple times only to see them back out on the street laughing at you the next day. The legal system needs complete reform, starting with tougher sentencing, how are people with 10s of multiple offences allowed straight back out on the street with just a slap on the wrist! The judges circled the wagons last time an attempt was made and in no uncertain terms made it clear that the gravy train wasn’t to be derailed.
Q gary gannon to bemoan the lack of facilities ” in de area” I’d have sheriff street raised to the ground and relocated to the back of the airport. then build apartments for paying customers who’ll respect them.
The defence forces have some very skilled snipers.
put ’em to work
There is a massive gap in the political market for someone to step out from the shade and say that is enough is enough with letting these youths get away with this kind of stuff. There is a lot of resentment bubbling under in the public space at the moment. All it takes is someone who can withstand very strong criticism and they could be a shoo in.
I’d love to know what’s going through the mind of these youths when they behave in this way. I mean it can’t be solely because they get away with it. That’s part of it but it can’t be the thing to focus on. Because all children could get away with it but really only a small percentage of them cause trouble like this. How is pushing someone in the river even fun? Surely even if a moron did it once they’d realise it’s not all that entertaining. Can we not think of something to give them which is more entertaining than pushing someone in a river?
Could we give them a disease that would make their limbs fall off? Insta-leprosy or Liquid Lovecraftian potions maybe? That would be entertaining for other people to watch the suppurating scum scream, and burble hideously as their crippled bodies twisted in on themselves in unspeakable inchoate agony, into eldritch, uncanny somehow WRONG shapes. Shapes that spell out Yog Sototh, the Eater of Souls? Just a thought.
Yes! Mandatory Military school
I well remember an incident, probably form the 80’s though I can’t find a reference to it, where a female judge was mugged in Dublin.
Speaking of the experience afterwards she said; “Woe betide the next mugger that comes up in front of me”
I remember thinking that it was an unconsciously relvealing comment, i.e. that only when affected personally did the trauma of such an event really come home to her.
I suspect that most of our judiciary continue to lives far removed from these thugs and the effect they have on people’s lives, and this goes some way towards perpetuating the revolving-door scenario that continues to be the norm.
Check out this article, it’s from 2008 but it does show the powers exist if authorities actually want to do something.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/measures-to-tackle-juvenile-crime-by-holding-parents-liable-not-being-used-1.943158?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR1RvyhsyiyfocK0aEpW-R1LR6ljReEb9xJCmEDJp1ZVtD7zRkTmAmPyD_g
Police enforcing laws without fear or favour or influence / Judiciary adjudicating on cases without fear or favour or influence / early intervention of teenagers to engage them in education and, or skills that can be used to get work / economic investment that benefits the locals.
there are no easy answers, unfortunately.
This is exactly the dysfunction they – the real decision makers, want to see from the public at large
It a corporate way of the expression
this is why we can’t have nice things
Well, Garda Harris seemingly is looking for the Gardai at the eviction a couple of days ago to learn something from it. Maybe he can himself can start learning about what’s going on in our cities and towns, and act accordingly.
Did you get as much of this kind of thing when the guards were not-really-but-actually allowed knock all colours of kak out of gurriers?
All the white-moustached red-faced brigadiers shouting “Flog ‘em! Hang ‘em! Bring back the birch!” here might consider the fact that what works is summer projects and youth clubs. When funding for these is cut, there is invariably a rise in vandalism and anti-social behaviour.
But they won’t be funded while the victims of youth crime in these bleak areas are foreigners.
Proper parenting moreso, instead of blaming the government, the parent(s) should be made to attend courses along with their disruptive kid(s), or target parents financially, or move them out of the area if housing is paid by government.