58 thoughts on “Monday’s Papers

  1. Daisy Chainsaw

    Politicians have no further use for frontline staff so it’s back to not giving them pay restoration.


    1. Cian

      Economy is fupped.
      Tax receipts are down.
      Unemployment us sky-high.
      Borrowing is up.

      The country is broke.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Well the advisors have increased in number, and some are being paid in excess of previous advisors salary.
            Super Junior Ministers pay top-ups?
            Typical Cian. Distract, divert etc. etc.

          2. Cian

            Typical GiggidyGoo – straight to personal stuff.

            I answered Daisy’s post. Without distraction, without diversion. (unlike, say, your post)

    2. Rob_G

      Christ – people in the private sector being laid off and furloughed left and right, and many companies reliant on the government to subsidise their wage bill… and of course public workers are looking for a pay increase…

          1. Cian

            “the sixth increase since January 2018”
            AND approx. 9 “annual” increments since 2008 (a few of them were dragged out to 18 months).

          2. Rob_G

            If you have had 9 pay increases since 2008, and still are not up to what your salary was, then you must have been being paid funny money pre-crash.

          3. Daisy Chainsaw

            It’s not an increase if they’re only giving back what they took from you to bring you up to 2008 levels of pay.

  2. Cú Chulainn

    On a more serious note: what parents are being asked to do with their children is to put them into a crowded classroom, just like the Killarney pictures.. every day.. from now till there is a vaccine (don’t hold your breath.. there won’t be one). What the difference..?

  3. Tommy Bohan

    I don’t believe it, the English – I mean Irish Daily Mail actually has an Irish picture on its front page! First time in a long time.

  4. GiggidyGoo

    ‘Banks plans to recoup ‘fines’ will work out just fine for them. The resultant transfer of funds to Credit Unions will be welcomed.

    1. AKA Frilly Keane

      They won’t

      not until the Central Bank stop their regulatory apartheid and allow us reduce our regulatory reserves from 12%
      down to – I say 7% for industrial 8% for Community CUs

      forcing CUs to hold millions (x 240 CUs btw) of grab cash
      Where? in retail banks is where
      Interest paid? Well Yes, we pay the retail banks their negative interest + charges

      There is over 20 billion in CU assets in the State
      ye do the sums

      The Regulatory Apartheid operated by the Central Bank is top up bank bailout,
      just like the Mortgage to Rent scheme now enforced by the Housing Agency is

      Now ye know how well Brian Hayes is doing his job

      So sorry folks, yes we would love to have more members, especially those that would come up to Board Director level
      but Savers cost money, Borrowers make money

        1. Frilly Keane, Rebooted, Live and Dangerous

          No worries Goo

          I’ve the mother of all pieces ready to roll
          Timing and placement needs to be fine tuned very carefully

          Had a good oul’ rant at a high profile attended event recently
          Apartheid/ Banking Lobby and Bailout – all voiced and caught fire

          Central Bank and the Dept of Finance
          And Brian Hayes dampened it down goodo in the afterwards
          The Dept lads had skid marks out of the hall
          They were never so happy about social distancing and masks .·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.

          All the CUs AGMs will be coming up now Dec/ Jan
          (Btw RTÉ/ FAI our year end in the CU movement is September, and if we don't have our AGMs within four months the Central Bank needs to know why / approve or we run the risk of sanctions, and a sneaky dig in the press)

          So ye'll then see what I've being planning and hoping for
          The first round of it anyway

          Fingers Crossed

          1. Steph Pinker

            I received a letter today from BOI telling me that the fees are going up, I’m pretty pissed off about it as I barely use the card/ that account; from now on it’s E6 p/m rather than the quarterly fees with transactions. Apparently its in the customers’ best interest.

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            If anyone is looking for fee free banking, EBS Money Manager doesn’t force you to keep a minimum in your account or lodge over a certain amount each month. Changed over after my Ulster Bank charges jumped from €16 to €120.

            Vote with your wallets!

  5. GiggidyGoo

    The birth rate doesn’t mean fewer people at work does it?
    Fewer people at work is a result of fewer jobs surely?
    We exported hundreds of thousands of people just 10 years or so ago, and immigration filled the void. So if the jobs are there, they will always be filled.
    The pension problem will be more to do with income levels of people working. Low pay = low personal tax income.

    1. Q Celt

      Ultimately private pensions are at best a gamble and at worse a ponsi scheme to support the financial institutions. Almost all private pension vehicles are poorly performing and then there are the fees. In lreland its more profitable to invest the money and become a landlord than throw money into a pension scheme

      1. GiggidyGoo

        I’d agree with that.

        I think he was getting at State Pensions – those are the ones that depend on people at work to finance them for the older generation.

      2. Janet, dreams of big guns

        lower birth rate a direct k Ock on from lack of affordable housing and childcare, I know many people who feel they can’t afford a nipper, instantly 30.000 off a mortgage if you have one, if you pay for childcare well you are literally paying for the pleasure of going to work as there is not much over, you need one partner on a high wage,
        obvs I’ll basing this off Dublin creche prices, two average paid jobs and a modicum of responsibility,
        I know I harp on about France but public creches mean you are not giving up work, schools provide homework classes so you can also do a full day should you finish at five, kids also get school lunches, don’t have uniform costs but I really think the childcare is the clincher.

        1. Janet, dreams of big guns

          so more let’s face it Mother’s remain employed while churning out the next generation of tax payers

        2. Rob_G

          And yet the birth rate in Ireland is higher than that of France; so perhaps a state’s policies are not deciding factors, or there could be other influences at play.

          1. Janet, dreams of big guns

            yes wemon still socially and culturally want to have children in Ireland, they would have even more if housing and childcare was more available and affordable.

    2. Rob_G

      Lower birth rate means that there are increasing numbers of pensioners drawing down their pensions, but fewer and fewer working people paying into the pot to pay for them.

      In 1950 there was about 12 people of working age per one person aged 65 years or older. Today, in the west, this has declined to about 6 workers for each pensioner; in many places it will be as low as 1.5 people of working age per retired person.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Think of it this way though. 2018.

        There’s approx 60,000 births (2018 figures) in Ireland per annum
        There were ap 31,000 deaths (2018 figures in Ireland per annum

        90,000 people Immigrated (28,400 were Irish returning)

        56,000 people emigrated that year, (28300 were Irish leaving)

        Emigration and immigration (as far as I would see it) is based on job-seeking, so most of the difference in population would be tax contributors therefore supporting state pensions. (The level of course would relate to the level of salary)

        So, I’d still contend that the pension problem will be more to do with income levels of people working. Low pay = low personal tax income = less for pensions (hence the push to force people into taking out a pension, which will reduce the pension contribution the Government will make when those pensions come to fruition)

        1. Rob_G

          If country A has a population of 10 million workers, and only 1 million pensioners, and country B has a population of 5 million workers and 1 million pensioners, each worker in country B will have to pay generally more social contributions to support their pensioners than workers in country A.

          Ireland used to be more like country A, but is becoming increasingly more like country B. This is mainly down to people having children than in previous generations

          Salaries (average and median) in Ireland are high, so I don’t really understand your theory about “low pay”.

          1. Janet, dreams of big guns

            maybe if the place wasn’t a rip off and childcare and housing were properly funded people might be encouraged to have a family, not everyone obvs maybe wemon now they have a choice just don’t want to take that road but many do and feel they can’t.

          2. Rob_G

            Well, it’s a phenomenon that’s happening in every country in the western world, so I’m not really sure that it can be framed as part of “everything in Ireland is bad”

          3. Janet, dreams of big guns

            yes there are other factors obviously,there will be a decrease, but these ones undeniably play a part in the decrease here, most Irish wemon I know still actually WANT children,
            if I compare to my French friends who actually distinctly don’t or only one..

          4. Janet, dreams of big guns

            btw the everything in Ireland is bad thing is in your head,
            I have plenty of positive things to say too, they clearly don’t resonate in the same way with you,
            you can love a place and critique it, wish better for your fellow countrymen, these things can exist simultaneously.

          5. Rob_G

            I mean.. given that an aging population is a global phenomenon, and your first reaction was to list things that bad things about Ireland specifically, you can see why I may have formed that opinion

          6. Janet, dreams of big guns

            ah Rob,
            different factors are at play in different countries, some of them common phenomenon,
            I believe these factors are not specific to Ireland but definitely play a role,
            wemon don’t have babies for lots of reasons, in my experience these are the two reasons cited by Irish wemon who still culturally and socially are quite marriage and family driven.
            ( and you always get a dig in every time I critique Ireland, this is a site about Irish news , when I lived in France I had things to say about what could be improved there, if I lost all reason and lived in the US I’d probably never stop giving out, see how this works )

          7. Janet, dreams of big guns

            What is it about your education that stops you from accepting any criticism or questioning any status quo ? Do you believe it is disloyal or somehow unationalistic to ask questions or to want improvement or to be able to see what’s wrong with a country ? Why does it get under your skin so much ?

          8. Rob_G

            I wouldn’t consider myself nationalistic at all (according to some other posters, I’m a west Brit), but there is a tendency on this site to paint every single failing in the country as some sort of novel phenomenon, unique to Ireland.

            To whit: there is global phenomenon of the population aging, and Giggidy suggests that it’s that it’s due to low-pay. This isn’t just an incorrect interpretation – the entire premise is completely wrong (Irish workers are not low-paid, by any metric).

            Or other posts where people say things along the lines of: “it can’t get any worse”; “most corrupt country”, etc – these things are genuinely at odds with objective reality, by any measurable metric.

            I don’t want you to think I am having a go at you (but it’s true I have argued a lot with you lately; that’s just the way that things have panned out)

          9. Janet, dreams of big guns

            ok, I hear your point,
            I think people use these phrases out of frustration and we can always compare to worse places but if we want to improve we should compare to better imo :)

          10. Junkface

            Ireland has one of the highest cost of living expenses in the EU. Wages are relative to cost of living. Rent, childcare, and car insurance are part of that, as well as many more factors.

          11. Rob_G

            @ Junk – you are right; but that’s the thing about living in one of wealthiest countries in the EU, you will end up with some of the highest prices in the EU, also.

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