27 thoughts on “The Second E Is Silent

    1. Rob_G

      Yes – god forbid we should have normal relations with anyone living on this island who follows any tradition other than our own.

      1. Sara

        I’ve no problem with people hanging out with Unioinists. But I do have a problem with someone hanging out with an organization that is sectarian to the core. It’s the 21st century, hate-filled sectarian organizations like the Orange Order should not be pandered to.

        1. Haroo

          I think the problem with a post-conflict society is that you cannot pick and choose who you normalise. One community feels an affinity with that organisation and feels it represents them and their beliefs.

          If we exclude the OO then should we be entertaining SF. I know they say they don’t hate/exclude protestants but their members constantly seem to like venerating a paramilitary group that targeted them in the not so recent past.

          Accept them as part of the island and view their actions/beliefs in the context of the events and other actors.

          1. Sara

            As someone brought up in the Church of Ireland tradition I can tell you that most of us are embarrassed and horrified by the Orange Order. It’s a bigoted, sectarian group of hate-filled Neanderthals. If you saw what went on behind closed doors you wouldn’t be supportive of them. Not to mention their hatred of women, who cannot become members. Or gays , or lesbians, or anyone who isn’t a dyed-in-the-wool sectarian idiot.

          2. Janet, dreams of big guns

            as someone brought up a presbyterian and I have had a lot of exposure to members of the lodge in Derry, I think that’s a sweeping statement, half of them married catholics and not in the slightest wemon haters, not all Orangemen etc, do you know the flute band was both catholic and protestant in it’s members and played for marches of both sides,
            there’s extremists and aholes in every organization and excluding anyone is not the way to build a future together

          3. Janet, dreams of big guns

            same goes for Sinn Fein, time to stop focusing on the negative and past and get everyone working on a future,

          4. Janet, dreams of big guns

            and no offense but church of Ireland have a very different origin and community for the most part on this island

          5. Janet, dreams of big guns

            lastly you don’t have to dig very hard to find another organization the catholic church for a group of wemon hating, gay hating, abusive shower, now should I hate all practicing catholics and label them the same ? Didn’t think so.

          6. scottser

            the drummer in my trad band is a bluenose. he is nothing short of fantastic; all those years hauling his snare drum to orange marches all over belfast really paid off.

          7. Sara

            Of course, but I’d be shocked if Redmond went to a bigoted Roman Catholic AOH meeting. In general I love my Roman Catholic neighbours, but I wouldn’t touch any of them that belonged to the AOH, wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire. And I doubt the people you supposedly know in the Orange Order married Catholics. By the Orange Order own rules if you marry a Catholic you’re barred from the organization.

          8. Janet, dreams of big guns

            I didn’t stay they stayed members although there is precedent  prominent 18th century Orangeman Patrick Duigenan was married to a practicing Catholic.
            The point I am making is people are indoctrinated through culture society and birth to all walks of life, you can’t write everyone off to degrees that you feel comfortable with,

      2. BT Barham

        Supremacists , bigoted supremacists , there is no nuance here or arguments to made , that is what they are

  1. Optimus Grime

    Neale “Let’s rejoin the Commonwealth to lessen Brexit” Richmond, as Sara said above how on earth was he elected?

    1. Rob_G

      Mary Lou McDonald also floated the notion of Ireland joining the commonwealth, and she topped the poll.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Jayzus, you’re not related to stretch armstrong Rob are you?

        Here’s what she said:

        “I think those that hold that view need to put that view forward, and I think it needs to be looked at, and debated, and it needs to be discussed”
        “It is not a proposition that I would be advancing – but I am me. This is not all about Sinn Féin. This is much bigger than us. The debate has to have the capacity to put everything on the table and then the business of debate and discussion in a reflective way, not a divisive way,”

        In the context of unionists discussing a united ireland.

        Note the part where she said “It is not a proposition that I would be advancing…”

  2. Joe

    @Sara why the surprise? FG are the BlueTory party of Ireland, as the old saying goes “birds of a feather” and all of that

  3. Herb

    Maybe we need to look at this in another way

    The UK are leaving and let’s face it they are only looking at their position

    It’s their population which is their concern

    They are perfectly entitled to secure the best for them selves

    That’s life

    Each European nation are also thinking about themselves

    But this also goes about us And the deal must suit us
    Not Lithuania or Greece or Spain

    It’s time Ireland started realising that we need MEPs representing the interest of ireland first and foremost

    For some reason when watching Ming on his podcast in his jocks sort of annoyed me thinking our future depends on the calibration of that

    As for big Phil
    Stormy weather ahead especially in the med with the spoils of oil and turkeys behaviour regarding greece

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