127 thoughts on “Thursday’s Papers

  1. anolderman

    and so the vaccine comes. I will not move to stop anyone from taking it. It is your choice and I am pro choice in most things in life. By way of contribution may I offer the Swine flu narcolepsy side effect. The rate is 0.005% With a population of 5,000,000 that gives a hit of rate of circa 250 souls. The COVID-19 risk is unknown at this time. I am aware of a young boy who has settled his case with the state recently. The amount is unknown but it must be big. His life is just miserable you might say a life stolen. I am shocked at how we have all behaved. Even now I stare at euphoric neighbours rejoicing to be the first to get it. I never understood how the race did bad things in the past, how they can be managed. History repeats, people forget, abuse occurs. Here’s the rub the species shrugs it off. Like wild pack dogs. Shoot 1 or 2 the pack stops for a second shrugs & moves off. Such are we. I wish that this passes with little negative impact, relieved its not compulsory yet alarmed how dystopian we are. My years left will be shorter than most of yours, will your future be injections for everything. I wonder will this be how we will end life for our sick & aged. Its here & voluntary now. Could we manage the birth rate this way to save the race from itself. Justification for such thinking will be we had to do what we had to do. I listened to Obama dismiss how his drone strikes killed civilians. How his armies don’t do collateral damage counts anymore. They don’t care – not about them and not about you either. A most alarming period in our history to my older eyes.

    1. Brother Barnabas

      if it wasnt for vaccines against tetanus, diphtheria, mumps, measles, pertussis, meningitis, polio… and much more, you probably wouldn’t be alive right now

          1. Rosette of Sirius

            To be fair, can’t claim authorship. Bought a tshirt in Seattle a couple of years back with that printed on it. I’m not normally a slogan-wearing kinda guy, but this one is special.

            It’s great gas to wear it in Tesco or wherever as you can see the rage in certain people’s eyes when they read it and, get it.

          2. Junkface

            Its people on facebook. It is creating brainwashed antivax zombies. I wish some anonymous hackers would take it down. Even just for a while.

          3. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            it’s the algorithm actually, you tend to see what makes you react,
            guess who watched The Social Dilemma on Netflix last night,
            would recommend.

      1. Junkface

        You would think that older people would remember the fear of Polio in Ireland in the 50’s or 60’s? I know my parents talked about it, and the relief that my grandparents had when they could finally get vaccinated.

        1. v AKA Frilly Keane

          Polio and TB ran through the Country
          Particularly Cork
          My mother came back from Dagenham to work in Cork Polio (was there 30 + years)
          I was in school with some former Polio patients

          Now I don’t want to get into the Vax anti Vax mosh pit here
          but I have news for ye

          TB is back amongst us
          Now maybe Covid Restrictions on Buses and LUAS might have broke the spread
          Same in the London Underground btw
          I don’t think there’ll be any Sanitorium type treatment anymore
          But I know the medication is hard core – and is apparently harder to recover from than the TB

          So mind yerselves

          1. ReproBertie

            There was a report of 300 cases of TB in Dublin’s inner city a few years back giving rise to fears of an outbreak but the HSE said that the figures were over a 5 year period and not down to an outbreak.

          1. bisted

            …pro-choice has a very particular meaning in Ireland and good luck with trying to appropriate it for the seedy anti-vax cause…

          2. dav

            Damn, I supposed I shouldn’t have gotten the Flu Vaccine this year as it clashes with my now revealed antivax stance.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            ‘I will not move to stop anyone from taking it. It is your choice…..’ and he then goes on to detail how a lot of world leaders don’t give a damn about anyone (but themselves) or anything.

            Which brings about Dav only reading / taking anti-vax from the whole post. (a childish statement by him, followed up by another by him)

            Rather than even try to deal with any of the points, the usual one liner and the anti vax mantra. Nothing of substance, which is par for the course mind you.

          4. Brother Barnabas

            not at all, goo

            it’s a rambling, meaningless diatribe that entirely misrepresents human civilisation’s engagement and experience with vaccines

            its plain stupid, actually

            and then the bit about Obama… genuinely ffs

            it’s blatantly anti-vax, but, as always, anti-vaxxers will never admit that (do they admit it to themselves even? I dont know)

            stupidity has taken over

          5. Junkface

            A good description Brother Barnabas, I thought so too. And why throw Obama into the mix? Not a huge fan of his, but which US president was not involved in some foreign war controversy? What’s that got to do with the new covid 19 vaccine? Its like Fox news bingo

        1. Charger Salmons

          Indeed …
          Not quite sure what Obama’s drone strikes have got to do with the brilliant news that people of his age in Blighty will be receiving this vaccine by the weekend.
          A truly remarkable scientific achievement, less than 9 months after this pandemic appeared here, which fills me with optimism rather than pessimism for the future.
          We’re nearly back baby.

    2. Gerry

      Oh yes, ‘it’s a terrible day indeed. How dare they develop a vaccine against the disease strangling the world? Nothing good will come of it, mark my words

    3. SOQ

      Well said anolderman

      There is over 80 swine flu cases in the Irish courts right now but when I suggested we could use that ratio of injured to vaccinated as a baseline line for current projections, I was accused of scaremongering.

      And when you point out that comers have been cut all over the place you are met with excuses like that red tape has been removed and critical paths shortened- as though these things were never possible before.

      Looking behind the headlines of 95% + success and asking what exactly does efficacy mean, makes you a conspiracy theorist and suggesting that pharma may not be telling the whole truth in this gold rush makes you a ‘far right’ loon apparently.

      BMJ associate editor Dr Peter Doshi recently said: “None of the trials currently underway are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospitalisations, intensive care use, or deaths.

      “Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus.”

      Just read that second line again before spitting out a vitriolic ‘anti vaxx’ label at me- then ask yourself why you think this is going to lead to a return to normal life when already there is talk of masks for years and more ‘circuit breakers’ .

      If it cannot interrupt the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 nor treat symptoms of those seriously ill, then it is nothing more than a cure for something akin to the common cold.

      Interrupting the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 was the goal and you can be certain that if they had any level of success, they would be shouting it from the roof tops.


      1. ReproBertie

        Vaccines don’t treat the ill.

        How does the measles vaccine, which doesn’t stop people becoming infected with measles, interrupt the transmission of measles?

        1. Cian

          How does herd immunity, which doesn’t stop people becoming infected with measles, interrupt the transmission of measles?

        2. SOQ

          Not true- vaccines can strengthen the body’s immune system to fight existing infections as well as prevent new ones. This is why people who test positive for Hepatitis B for example, but do not have a notable anti body count- are also given the vaccine.

          1. ReproBertie

            I was unaware of that but, as I said, I don’t have your expertise.

            Now perhaps you can explain how these vaccines won’t stop those vaccinated from becoming infectious.

          2. alickdouglas

            But a key characteristic of Hep B vaccination induced immunity is anamnestic response. As you say, antibody counts in most vaccinees rapidly fall to very low levels, but for the vast majority of vaccinees, if they are challenged by the virus (or re-vaccinated) there is an incredibly fast, potent response against the virus.

            A key question for prevention of transmission is how you prove that you prevent transmission. It’s not something that can be measured in a pass/fail manner. Assume hypotetically that a person is immune to Hep B, but become exposed to a lot of virus via a dirty needle. If you were to say a few minutes after exposure, that person would be ‘positive’ for Hep B and you might assume capable of transmission. That’s why other measures such as antibody response are relied upon as a marker suggestive for immunity–those can be measured. For hep B the studies have been done that show that certain antibody levels correlate to protection. But for many other pathogens, the antibody markers are more roughly indicative, or poorly indicative.

            That’s why Pfizer have elected to license on clinical impact; they are assuming that later data/later studies will provide some sort of link between serological markers and protection (I’m not suggesting that Pfizer’s vaccine is optimal, just that I agree that their regulatory strategy for an emergency license makes sense from an evidence based medicine perspective).

          3. SOQ

            Thanks Alixk but it is not just Pfizer though- they are all saying the same thing.

            Would I be right in summarizing your response as saying that treatment of symptoms is much more quantifiable- and faster- than proof of outright or even part inoculation?

          4. alickdouglas

            SOQ–Yes, I don’t really believe it is feasible to quantify transmission blocking in humans (caveat; you can do it in small groups, but not in my view at a level that would generate Phase III style data that would be meaningful for a regulatory label. I am pretty certain that you would see a fair percentage of vaccinees that would show some form of break through, but it would be extremely difficult to quantify whether break through would be clinically relevant).

            The BMJ paper as I said here before is very good, because it explains a lot of the dark corners of vaccine research; I would however say that it doesn’t go far enough in explaining that from a statistical perspective you can only have ONE primary endpoint. You can either do tranmission blocking OR clinical disease in your primary, not both. Some manufacturers (er, J&J I think) ARE assessing tranmission blocking, but as a secondary endpoint, so with less statistical power. So the BMJ criticism of Pfizer not assessing transmission in their primary endpoint is rather unfair (again my intention is not to defend Pfizer, just point out that the criticism of their strategy is a bit misleading in terms of the reality of what is allowed by FDA/EMA)

          1. ReproBertie

            Not at all. The measles vaccine works by preventing the development of the disease. It does not prevent infection. By preventing the development of the disease it prevents further spread.

            The Coronavirus vaccines will work the same way. Being vaccinated will not prevent infection but it will stop the infection from developing.

        3. alickdouglas

          One of the issues with vaccine trials is that they are constrained by what is operationally measurable and what is clinically relevant. I don’t recall much about measles specifically, but for example, the real intent of rubella vaccination is to prevent damage to the foetus. However, running a clinical trial with the purpose of measuring impact vs foetal damage would be entirely unethical. Therefore the trials in the 1960s measured impact on disease, assuming that controlling disease implied controlling foetal damage. Even though it has since been demonstrated in many studies that the correlation between disease control and foetal damage is strong, I believe the regulatory label still states ‘disease control’.

          Similarly, measuring prevention of tranmission of SARS2 is a fools errand. I’d take an educated punt that the vaccine will prevent transmission in high responders but maybe not in low responders, but that’s an extremely difficult impact to measure statistically in a manner that would be satisfactory for a regulator. Therefore even when vaccines do stop transmission I’m not aware of any that say it on the regulatory label.

          1. SOQ

            But surely that is the whole point of getting your shots when you are travelling to somewhere exotic with funny accents and strange smells?

            Not that I have anything against Cork of course.

          2. alickdouglas

            Hi SOQ, do you mean that transmission blocking is the aim of travel vaccines? I’d say yes and no. For Yellow Fever, yes, but the YF vaccine is a live attenuated vaccine; it’s massively immunogenic, and does prevent transmission life-long (in every case, I’m not sure, but certainly the vast majority). However the reactogenicity profile is not very nice, and wouldn’t be acceptable for a pathogen that is less deadly than YF. Also of note, YF was developed in the 1930s and it’s only in the last few years that WHO have agreed 1 shot is necessary for protection (my point being that even 90 years after licensure, we are still refining best practice for YF. In my view it is extremely unwise to wait for too much clinical trial data before embarking on use–the trick is to make sure that you have ‘enough’ data. I don’t have an opinion yet on whether the current crop of COVID vaccines have hit that sweet-spot…

            It’s not a particularly evidence based statement, but the rule of thumb in vaccines is that the more they hurt, the better they work. It’s generally acceptable to deploy a reactogenic vaccine against something like rabies, but not acceptable against something like COVID (rabies vaccines are now among the least reactogenic, but the original ones were unpleasant, but case fatality rate = 100%)

          3. v AKA Frilly Keane

            Well now
            I think tis bloody clear that ye should all just shur’up
            and listen to AlickD there

            cause he’s the only one who knows what he’s talking about
            and (seems to me anyway) the only lad qualified to speak

            Broadsheet, give AlickD a column there

            he’s the only one here making any bloody sense

          4. Charger Salmons

            You’ll forgive me if I prefer to follow the advice of highly qualified scientific and medical advisors to governments rather than yet another bloke on the internet with a theory, however well-intentioned he is.
            Does he have any opinion on a steamed clootie ?

          5. alickdouglas

            You may have noticed, I enjoy monologueing, (is that a word?) but I do think that SOQ, f-lawless and EMatty (and many others here) are a lot of the time asking very interesting questions about vaccines. I’m hugely pro-vaccine, but I’m very unhappy with how things have evolved in the last 9 months. Industry and goverment are not open enough about the process and what ‘safety’ and ‘efficacy’ means.

            And before you get excited, I did say ‘a lot of the time’ not ‘all of the time’ ; p

          6. V AKA Frilly Keane

            Just to clarify
            In case I get pulled up on it

            Most of what AlickD says goes over my head
            Sorry, unless it’s in recipe format I struggle to follow scientific terms and practices

            All I want to know from the lad
            Is if he takes the jab
            What one is it, and when etc
            Cause that’ll be good enough for me

          7. Charger Salmons

            So you don’t understand anything he says but you think he should be given a regular berth on Broadsheet because if you don’t understand it he must be brainy.
            And strewth.
            No wonder you lot get fooled all the time by your politicians.

      2. Oro

        80 swine flu cases or trials? If you’re only counting cases but not trials then you’re misrepresenting. Only maybe 20% of those cases will go forth to trials eh and probably only .5% will end with settlements. Nothing to see here. A casedemic.

    4. Charger Salmons

      Of course it’s worth remember that in Blighty back in July the Labour party heavily criticised the government for opting out of the EU-wide ” unity ” approach over the procurement and roll-out of the Covid-19 vaccine programme which is not expected to start until January at the earliest…

      1. bisted

        …I live on the border and we’ve reconciled it’s existence with making the best of both sides when the opportunity arose…as you know Charger, I’ve been an advocate of brexit from it was democratically voted for and the harder the better…despite a last minute fudge by Boris it looks like the first major brexit bounce is on the way…I’ll probably be able to avail of a covid vaccine months earlier than you…

        hohoho x 19

        1. Charger Salmons

          Oh dear, another schoolboy error.
          It has naff-all to do with Brexit.
          The UK remains under the same drug regulatory process as Ireland until January 1st.
          It simply chose to avail of the opt-out option in regard to drugs for pathogens that is and was also available to Ireland.
          Britain made its decision based on science whilst Ireland chose the political option.
          And my jab will be freely available to me with a journey shorter than travelling up to the border and considerably earlier than here.

          Heh x back of the net.

          1. bisted

            …oh dear Charger…you seem to have been infected by the pseudo-science babble so prevalent on Broadsheet these days…a GP I know in the North assures me that the vaccine will be available within days and will be dispensed the same way as the flu vaccine…strangely, he expects the initial uptake to be patchy…there is strong evidence that covid is reckoned to be localised and that DUP supporters are immune from it…

          2. Charger Salmons

            Dispensed the same way as flu vaccine ?
            The Pfizer vaccine has to be kept at -70, it’s dispensed in two doses at least three weeks apart,the ampules come in batches of 935 which can’t be separated and distributed to GP surgeries,it’s going to require require the biggest mass vaccination programme in the history of the state.
            It is not going to be dispensed in any way like the flu vaccine.

          3. v AKA Frilly Keane

            you do know Charage
            that this Covid vax will be morphed in to the annual flu vax that people just get out of habit every Autumn

            I wouldn’t be so cocky if I were you with yere BrexitCheering and yer heh heh hehs

            yere Europe’s Crash Test Dummies here

          4. bisted

            …just saying what a GP told me…and unbelievably, it is the same as you are saying…he anticipates multiple no shows and stand-bys should be rewarded quickly…even if they don’t fall into the prioritised demographic…

    5. Junkface


      Many people on here and generally across the country have taken far riskier things in their lives. Especially when clubbing or at music festivals in their youth. Whether its MDMA, crappy cut cocaine or Ecstacy, or whatever. Vaccines are hundreds or thousands of times safer than that, examined by highly qualified scientists and doctors in labs all over the world. Scientists are the number one critics of other scientists.

      If you are on Facebook, I suggest getting off it.

      1. SOQ

        Why is it that when someone has an alternative opinion the go to put down is FaceBook?

        I never use it myself- never have- so no idea what is or is not streamed but pretty certain that when comes to anything CoVid-19 related- they will most definitely be towing the party line.

        1. Junkface

          Ha ha! No thats not the way it works. I’ve had chats with a family member. Everyone’s facebook timeline or dashboard is unique to them. And they’ve all been sharing anecdotal stories as evidence against vaccines from local people they knew in school or whatever, over and back. Like a dumb sowing circle.

          I’m not on facebook either, over a decade.

  2. johnny

    4th Dec was the McGurk’s Bar massacre: A British death squad planted a no-warning bomb in pub in Belfast, Ireland. 15 Irish people were murdered. 17 more were wounded.

    …for balance.
    h/t crimes of britain.

    good piece anolderman-watched utopia on netflix-on brand.

    1. Charger Salmons

      British death squad ? No evidence.
      But no doubt about these ..

      4th December 1979 also saw the IRA murder William Wright.
      The 58-year-old married father of three, an-off duty chief prison officer at Crumlin Rd jail was shot six times in the back as he arrived home from work.
      Yesterday in 1982 the IRA murdered James Gibson.
      He was 50, a widower,father of seven and a bus driver who was shot after stopping to let children off at Annaghmore crossroads.
      Children crawled out through emergency exit. “All the youngsters were in hysterics.” Ex-UDR drove bus 1 week in every 29.

      …for balance
      H/T @OnThisDayPIRA

      1. Toby

        Why would anyone support an Empire over their own people baffles me. The list of atrocities carried out by British forces is as long as it is painful. Thank god for the IRA who wouldn’t take it any more and drove them out of Southern Ireland first, and then Northern Ireland.

        Th adoration and acceptance of pedophillia and slavery by the Brits and their supporters is indefensible. Except by you Charger. Spouting your Brit bigotry every day. But getting fainter as your irrelevance increases.

    2. GiggidyGoo

      MLAL (in his various guises)
      etc. etc.

      All must be having a lie-in. Maybe the bots haven’t been triggered as there was no mention of the IRA?

      Watch them flock now.

      1. ReproBertie

        How nice that I’m occupying space in your head. How lonely you must be that you have to call out for people to come play whataboutery with you.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          You’re not very good at it. Just pointing out to you that yourself and the lads are quite choosey in the murders you condemn.

          1. ReproBertie

            You’re not very good at this at all. Reporting the anniversary of an atrocity carried out by the crown is not the same thing as wondering aloud why people are horrified by a murder gang. Show me the post where someone says that the Loyalist murder gangs or the British death squads were a great bunch of lads and I’ll react to that post in the same way I reacted to the post wondering why people are still horrified by the IRA.

            The IRA murdered innocents. The Loyalist murder gangs murdered innocents. The British forces murdered innocents. All those murders are contemptible, particularly those by the British Forces who were supposed to be there to protect the people of Northern Ireland. Are you happy now? I doubt it. I fully expect you to come back with more whataboutery because I missed some murderer or a FG politician once had a pint with someone and I didn’t condemn them or some other petty garbage that matters to nobody but you and your pathetic constant need to point score. Grow up.

          2. GiggidyGoo

            I was going to say ‘grow up yourself’, but more apt would be ‘go educate yourself’. Once you do that, you might be considered to be grown up.

          3. Toby

            Educate yourself on Stockholm syndrome. Educate yourself on post colonialism and the guilt and self-hatred it can engender. (India, Ireland, Africa has plenty of literature.

            You speak like a sufferer.

          4. Toby

            Never. Proud of who I am. Sorry you cant say the same. Like I said, study post colonialism and its effects. There is help.

          5. Toby

            Its a shame your mates didn’t have the same self awareness and stayed about 700 years too long until they were kicked out.

          6. ReproBertie

            Daisy Chainsaw posted this in another thread. Best educate yourself Toby:
            a ‘myth invented to discredit women victims of violence by a psychiatrist with an obvious conflict of interest, whose first instinct was to silence the woman questioning his authority”.
            Bejerot “never spoke to the woman he based it on; never bothered to ask her why she trusted her captors more than the authorities,” as per the book.

        2. Toby

          Bertie? Can I ask you the same question. Why do you support the British occupation of Ireland over the people fought for our independence from a colonisiing force.

          Why would any Irishman support the oppressor of their people rather than those who sacrificed their lives for freedom?

          1. ReproBertie

            Toby, show me one single solitary post where I expressed support for the British occupation of Northern Ireland.

          2. Toby

            Its obvious. You focus an obsessive hatred on the IRA while never mentioning the atrocities of the British army, UDA, UVF, RUC,UFF, Shankhill Butchers and others who killed Irish people in the name of the Crown.

            So duh, its not exactly rocket science. Dont feel bad, there are a lot of Unionists in Ireland. Im just wondering why?

          3. ReproBertie

            So you can’t find one single solitary post where I expressed support for the British occupation of Northern Ireland?

          4. Toby

            You don’t have the guts to say what you really feel.

            A real dose of Micheal Mc Dowell and John Bruton.

            Unionists who cant bring themselves to admit they miss being the Empires vassal.

            Im just sorry you dont get the joy and pride of being Irish and having beaten a cruel and oppressive Empire.

    3. Cian

      Today marks the 28th anniversary of the Manchester bombing.
      The first IRA bomb at 8:30 injured six people*. The second one, 90 minutes later, injured another 65 people.

      *civilians, not military.

      1. Toby

        Its so unfortunate that this had to happen to drive an Empirical force out of a small country. but this is what happens when big countries invade small ones.

        Cian, why do you support the Empire that colonise your country, over the people that liberated it?

        Were you waiting til they would leave of their own accord?

        Or do you wish they had stayed?

        1. Cian

          As far as I’m aware the “Empirical force” are still in Northern Ireland.. so they weren’t “driven out”.

          I don’t support any Empire. However you seem to miss/ignore the fact that a majority of people in the 6 counties wanted to remain in the UK after they were given their independence.

          Come back to me when a majority in the 6 counties say they want to leave the UK.

          1. Toby

            Look, some find no shame in being Unionist, and neither should you. John Bruton, you’re former boss is still a proud one. Be out and proud! Will do you the world of good.

            Self loathing will gnaw at your bones til you become a Charger.

    4. Rob_G

      This is something that obviously Giggidy and johnny are too thick to understand: if some British MP was tweeting about how great an operation it was to murder all those people, I would be among the first to line up to condemn them, and I have no doubt that Cian and Repro would be, too.

      But their blinkered worldview can only see the world in an ‘us Vs them’, ‘but whatabout…’ way.

      1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

        looking forward to the day when Z gen see themselves primarily as citizens of the world and we can put history where it belongs, in the past.

        1. ReproBertie

          I find it completely baffling. 20+ years of peace, something I never thought I’d see growing up, and there are clowns harking back to the days where the brave heroes were planting bomb and if you don’t think their ones were great then you clearly support the other side. Is there not enough division in the world without digging up the past for more?

          1. Toby

            Why do you still hate those who pushed for peace you admire? And you still stick with the Empire that invaded in the first place. Its hard as an Irish man to understand your motivation. The Empire is lost, move on.

          2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            sure it’s all about polarisation ;)
            seriously though as I may have mentioned before my lot are from the North and you’d have to be pretty sick to glorify the violence on either side or even see the world in terms of sides or the other, that kind of thinking belongs in the past.
            Also judging by Toby’s comments on other topics I feel we are being trolled.

          3. ReproBertie

            One would imagine that those who claim to believe in the cause would be building bridges with the unionist community in advance of Sasamach and the border in the Irish Sea rather than sowing the seeds of more division but that may be crediting them with too much smarts.

          4. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            just remind the presbyterians that they too were subject to the penal laws and that their scottish ancestors had been going back and forth between the two ” countries ” from time immortal.

          5. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            The upper Brutish/ brit ruling ” classes ” hate/ fear everyone, even their own ” lower classes ” just look at their continued behavior today toward the windrush generation or kids school meals, to buy into religion or patriotism or the hating of the other suits them down to the ground and allows them to keep their control on money, power and agendas.

          6. Rob_G

            The worrying thing about Toby is that I think he is genuinely in earnest – he is just too young to remember the grinding misery of daily reports such as a bus conductor being murdered because he was protestant, or a taxi driver being murdered because he was catholic.

            Whereas Giggidy and johnny are both old enough to know how idiotic this “whataboutery” is, and the death and destruction it leads to.

  3. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

    Scotters you were right ” Peppa Pig a danger to kids” on the front page so it is

        1. Charger Salmons

          Probably ate too much steamed clootie.
          Which may well be my predicament this time next week…

  4. ReproBertie

    I see Trump has lost Georgia for the third time. $3 million dollars it cost him and the end result was an increase in Biden’s margin of victory.

    So much for the crack-hen.

    So much winning!

      1. ReproBertie

        Really? I thought the third count was only concluded yesterday! Just how long was I in the queue at Penneys?

        1. Junkface

          $3 Million spent by Trump campaign only to result in 87 more votes for Biden! Ha ha ha ha! Financial genius! Bigly, bigly, bigly.

  5. johnny

    congrats to the guinea pigs.

    “A snap poll by YouGov Wednesday also shed light on the skepticism some Brits feel about the breakthrough. While 27 percent said they are very confident the jab is safe and 43 percent said they were fairly confident, 20 percent were either not very confident or not confident at all.”

    it also looks like,it will be first place in Europe,where anyone can buy high grade – pharma- weed,it really is incomparable to the pesticide grown,moldy rubbish,skanky prohibition style ‘moonshine’ weed all over Dublin.
    so there is that Northern Ireland,and the roads…

  6. johnny

    summer ’17 Gino became popular after his badly written,ill conceived bill failed,to do anything but garner publicity.

    Gino needs introduce a bill or get out the way,a plan,a path a strategy,these modern state the art green farms(the weed is insane,its so so good) facilities are minimum 100 million investment,involving dealing with elected reps.

    Ever wonder why no inward investement in Irl no lobbying even,if you rely only on domestic growers you will still be smoking sh*t weed,in five years you need 100’s million’s of investemnt,he’s not the guy he’s just not..

    stay tuned:)

      1. johnny

        as you are a coward who never posts anything original, and will continue to harass and deface my posts.

        -i can just read something else in mornings,while haivng coffee a smoke,do some work.

        -or do some research,write up a post,you do know only suckers and easy marks buy that populist,BS..
        champagne socialists,hows the tenants?
        … treating them well,i hope.

        -perhaps Bodger,will post a Johhny G piece on what it takes get a 100 million,state the are medical grade,big money big paharma grade cannais farm built:)

        -thats what i do,its not what Gino needs be anywhere near or Richard,
        i believe every irish person over 21 has the right smoke great pahrma A grade weed,free mold and pesticide if they choose.

        -irl is getting left behind in this EU,job creating green rush,Gino needs put up or…

        -why are you here,again?

  7. Papi

    Don’t know if anyone is interested, but I got to visit the Gjellestad Viking ship burial excavation yesterday, in its final days of removal. The ship is pretty much decomposed, only the metal rivets survive and the impressions of what was left. First one in a hundred years being excavated, so it was a total privilege as an archaeologist to be allowed to see it, and experience how it’s done.
    I’m jealous of myself.

    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      oh wow , that’s amazing, I adore archaeology and I’m super jealous !

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