89 thoughts on “Tuesday’s Papers

  1. GiggidyGoo

    I see Bob Dylans back catalogue has been sold. Prepare for the bastardisation of his works to sell detergents.

    1. Redundant Proofreaders Society

      On the contrary. It makes sound financial sense and the works become more of a legacy than if withheld by himself. We were sceptical about the Nobel award, but that’s by-the-by.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Im referring to the morketing deportments and them destroying the songs with new words and crap singers.

        1. Micko

          Urrrgh

          I bet Sam Smith is already recording a version of “The Man in Me”

          He might have to change that title a bit though.

    2. Brother Barnabas

      apple, IBM, pepsi, victoria’s secret, google, chevrolet, citibank… dylan himself was always open to the advert dollar

    3. GiggidyGoo

      Yiz obviously enjoy watching ads such like the one with the dog miming ‘Flash, ah aaaa’.
      Can’t wait for Nicks. voucher to feature a competition on the like.

  2. Bottler

    Is Newstalk’s Ciara Kelly a Prone lovechild? Uncanny the developing similarity in pedantic presentation!

  3. ReproBertie

    Boots chemist in the UK employs more people than the UK fisheries industry but Britain’s tea-boy Taoiseach has made access to the waters a sticking point in the trade talks. Expect him to give way in other areas so that he can claim a victory over fishing and force a deal through the British Dáil.

    1. scottser

      while wincing from the painful rogering he’s going to get from UVL. it’ll be like eton all over again for him, bless.

  4. SOQ

    I know that this is coming from Breitbart but it is ether true or it is not.

    Michigan House Committee Threatens Dominion CEO with Subpoena

    The Michigan House committee looking into alleged vote fraud in the 2020 election is threatening Dominion Voting Systems with a subpoena to appear and testify.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/exclusive-michigan-house-committee-threatens-dominion-ceo-subpoena-testify/

    When your software has been proven to flip votes, it is not a great look to ignore requests to attend.

    Neither is threatening “lawsuits against Antrim County and its 22 townships for violating … contracts with The State of Michigan.”

          1. Cian

            I read this from your search results page 1:


            Benson explained that while Antrim County did experience a minor election tech issue this week, the GOP’s explanation is highly misleading. For one, local authorities caught and reported the problem early on in the vote tabulating process, so the error was never reflected in the state’s official results. It also wasn’t the result of a “glitch” in the software’s programming either, but rather an embarrassing human error that I’m sure we’ve all been guilty of before: putting off a software update for too long.

            Apparently, an Antrim County clerk didn’t update the software used to aggregate voting machine data and generate unofficial results, an accidental oversight that caused a miscalculation in the county’s unofficial results, Benson said. However, she added that existing election safeguards worked as intended and ensured the issue was swiftly corrected before the county submitted its official tally.

            https://gizmodo.com/no-theres-isnt-a-glitch-in-michigan-election-softwar-1845607896

          2. SOQ

            6000 votes got flipped- changed- call it what you will.

            Given the importance of this software, that it was left to county employees to ensure updates were loaded was at best, shoddy- they would have needed full admin to do so?

          3. ReproBertie

            The important point is that it was user error. Not the software. Not the machines. User error. User error that was spotted and corrected.

            Everything else is water-muddying to try and bolster the illusion of election fraud when, in fact, Trump just lost.

          4. Nigel

            Uh, how and why are pretty important. It’s the difference between error and fraud. Unless you don’t care about the difference, I suppose. Oh! You don’t.

          5. ReproBertie

            Not when the process spotted the user error and corrected it.

            Did the software flip votes? No. User error did.

            Which means “your software has been proven to flip votes” is an untrue statement and when you base the case on something that is proven to be untrue then you have no case.

          6. SOQ

            Bretie,

            Unless a DBA went in and wrote directly to the database tables- the software DID make the changes. Why it done it is another story but it was most definitely the software which amended those values.

            The answer is probably in the schema but why 6000 and not 600 or 60 000?

        1. ReproBertie

          No it hasn’t. Repeatedly debunked. It was user error. Ignoring the basic facts does not make the claims true. The voting machines did not flip any votes. Nor did the software.

          1. Cian

            @Bodger
            A random tweet is your proof? for a dude who describes himself as
            Lifter of weights. Owner of guns. Carnivore. 100% American. I have a particular set of skills. Athlete. Journalist. Actor. Former TXSG Quick Reaction Teams.

          2. ReproBertie

            https://factcheck.afp.com/michigan-county-vote-count-glitch-was-not-fraud

            “The error in reporting unofficial results in Antrim County Michigan was the result of a user error that was quickly identified and corrected; did not affect the way ballots were actually tabulated; and would have been identified in the county canvass before official results were reported even if it had not been identified earlier,” the statement said.

            Stupid facts ruining a perfectly good conspiracy theory.

          3. Nigel

            You realise ‘sue’ is a word used by people who have had all but one of their forty-something court cases thrown out?

          4. Junkface

            It’s pathetic that people keep going with this nonsense. It is undermining democracy and it will lead to some mislead lunatic Trump fan shooting people because he thinks his country has been stolen.
            There was no voter fraud conspiracy, Trump lost. Stop throwing tantrums and put on your big boys/girls pants and get on with your life.

            Trump is only using these fake fraud charges to raise more money from his loyal, moronic rubes. Its a final grift! Kop on!

          5. ReproBertie

            I used “debunked” fanacht. How am I complicit in fraud? I’d love to hear an explanation on how I managed to be complicit in imaginary fraud in the US presidential election. Should I expect a visit from the gardaí?

          6. Cian

            Meanwhile Texas sues Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at Supreme Court over Election Rules

            Wow. It has come to this. Trump is now appealing to the Supreme Court to set aside millions of votes and instead let the State legislature choose the electors.

            And Trump just appointed a new Judge only recently…

          7. Junkface

            Slow minded and Rudy go well together lately. The man is a laughing stock, and now he is in hospital from covid, because he was too dumb or lazy to take safety precautions and listen to the White house medical team.

          8. ian-oh

            @Cian – He says he has a ‘particular set of skills’!

            Do you think French polishing is one, there’s some lump outta me teak coffee table FFS…..it was an heirloom from my great aunt and ain’t no way I’m binning it.

            Or getting on no plane fool.

          9. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            I’m quite good at french polish, beeswax finish, inlay, bitta chiseling, just so you know like

    1. Nigel

      Republicans have been doing a lot of things, none of them have produced the tiniest shred of proof of voter fraud. They have no grounds for doing any of these things other than a desire to overtun the result.

      1. SOQ

        From an IT perspective I find it all really interesting. It is quite clear that Dominion were far from best practice when it came to security- which is quite shocking given the importance of the data.

        They obviously did not have the boots on the ground supporting their product- especially as those machines were supposed to be completely offline.

          1. Nigel

            Weird how that hasn’t featured in any of their statements, speeches, press releases, press conferences, ‘hearings,’ court filings, DOJ investigations or trips to garden centres. Heckuva sting, Bodger.

        1. Nigel

          From an IT perspective you don’t think there’s a difference between user error and software error, but sure, interesting.

          1. SOQ

            No I don’t- good software design should prevent user errors like that. No matter what way you look at it, the software house is liable.

          2. ReproBertie

            HAHAHAHAHAHA!

            Hilarious. I’ve had users ring me to complain that the software was making everything capital letters but you think software design can prevent user error. I’ve had users ring me to say the website wouldn’t remember their username for them after they cleared cookies but you think software design can prevent user error. I’ve had users complain that they couldn’t access the website when their internet was down but you think software design can prevent user error. I’ve had users complain that they couldn’t see their statements two weeks before they were produced but you think software design can prevent user error.

            You either have zero experience of designing and developing software for mass use or you are choosing to ignore the realities of user stupidity to try and make a point.

          3. SOQ

            Nope the error was caught by external checks- not the actual software.

            Now you could say that is grand but lets face it- this software is a glorified calculator with a bit of OCR fed from scanners- it is not rocket science.

            If it is proved that these machines were feeding data out onto the internet- it is perfectly reasonable for people to ask why.

          4. ReproBertie

            “If it is proved that these machines were feeding data out onto the internet”

            Did your goalposts come with wheels or did you attach them yourself?

          5. Nigel

            External checks seem like a good way to catch user errors but I’m not a fancy IT-talking guy.

            If there’s a single credible source for the internet connection angle I’ve yet to see it.

          6. SOQ

            As above- there are reports of both tech support and state employees remoting in? If true then at least some of those machines were connected to the internet for sure.

            Fraud or no fraud- I just think that system has security holes in it all over the place- desperate stuff.

          7. ReproBertie

            Based on “reports” you “think” the system has security holes in it all over the place.

            You don’t know anything about what anyone remoting in was doing, how secure their connection was or what they were accessing but you’re happy to ignore all the things you don’t know just to muddy the waters some more.

            Do you know who might know? Christopher Krebs, the director of the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. What was it he said again? Oh yeah, he said the “November 3rd election was the most secure in American history”.

          8. Nigel

            There were ‘reports’ of Dominion servers being siezed in Spain and Germany by US military forces. ‘Reports’ don’t mean a thing.

          9. SOQ

            Either the machines were connected to the internet or they were not- it really is that simple.

            The gold standard of IT security is within the banking sector and they place a physical divide between their systems and the outside world- NOTHING beats that.

            Don’t tell me that a situation where everyone and their dog has local admin and was loading updates was a secure system- it was not. The usb drives were not even locked down? That is basic Group Policy stuff for any office environment.

            Transferring vote records by USB sticks- really? In this day and age?

          10. Nigel

            I’m not telling you it’s a secure system. I’m telling you there is no evidence that any breaches of security leading to electronic voter fraud occurred, and that Republicans ignored security issues until they lost and now want to overturn the result. Bodger claims that a Trump team watched electronic fraud occurring in real time. But there is no evidence. He also seems to think that mail-in ballots were faked. But there is no evdence. I think it’s safe to assume these claims are false. Because there is no evidence.

          11. Cian

            @SOQ
            you can’t have it both ways.
            You either have a air-gaped PC (i.e. no network connection) but then you need to use USB to get information in/out
            OR
            you have a networksed PC and can disable the USB.

            A non-networked PC with USB disabled can’t share information.

          12. SOQ

            @ Cian- all of those machines would have been connected to the local area network or Active Directory credentials could not have been presented- if there was no AD login then that is even worse.

            There was absolutely no reason to be transferring data via USB sticks- they should been locked down for both read and write.

            I’ll go further and say that each batch of votes should have been recorded as an official item of record on a register when they were moved from the local machine- this is bog basic record management for over twenty years now.

          13. ReproBertie

            “There was absolutely no reason to be transferring data via USB sticks”
            In your opinion based on zero knowledge of the setup of the machines and the counting process.

          14. SOQ

            I know enough to know that those machines were either Windows 7 or 10 and that when you open a USB port, you have no control what is downloaded from or up loaded to that machine.

            It can be limited to a specific AD account but is usually not. That is why any half decent IT department will lock them down and you need special authorisation from management in order to be allowed to do so.

        2. Cian

          From an IT perspective there isn’t enough verifiable evidence of what Dominion were or weren’t doing.

          There are a lot of baseless (and malicious) accusations against Dominion – which you seem to be totally happy to spread.

          But, and I think this is the most important fact., when Georgia did a hand-recount they got the same result as the Dominion software had produced.

          1. Bodger

            ‘when Georgia did a hand-recount they got the same result as the Dominion software had produced’.

            Which is why they are seeking a signature audit. To be sure, to be sure.

          2. Cian

            Stop trying to muddy the water.

            We are talking about the accuracy of the Dominion system not signatures.

            The Dominion is accurate. It didn’t flip votes.

          3. SOQ

            Are signature audits even a thing?

            I don’t know how they could match the signatures to the votes as once separated that is it. But they can do a count- and if there more votes than signatures then the extra votes would be discarded- which is fair enough as they should be exactly the same.

            If there is a big discrepancy however, that raises questions.

          4. Nigel

            Whose votes would you discard dear Liza dear Liza whose votes would you discard dear Liza whose votes?

          5. SOQ

            From an IT perspective it is not a question of fraud- it is a question of anomalies which should be investigated.

            Council officials loading updates should ring alarm bells for a start- likewise people having remote access.

        3. ReproBertie

          “From an IT perspective I find it all really interesting.”

          Yeah, sure. From an actual IT perspective we stop investigating when user error is determined. We may look at the processes and seek more user training but we stop worrying about our software at that point.

          You, on the other hand, think that user error is enough to justify a subpoena against the makers of the voting machines.

          1. SOQ

            So far, it is only the word of the software house as to how that discrepancy occurred.

            They are the only ones who legally could review what happened- until now.

          2. Nigel

            But you have no grounds for suspecting any kind of foul play other than known liars screaming fraud.

  5. Charger Salmons

    ” The UK received 36pc of all technology start-up funding over the past five years, new research has found.
    “London-based tech firms shrugged off Covid to attract a bumper $12.5bn (£9.3bn) of investment in the last 12 months – sucking in more cash than France and Germany combined and securing Britain’s place as the industry’s top European hub.

    From the Telegraph, in case y’all missed it.
    You don’t hear much from Project Fear these days.

  6. Charger Salmons

    Boom !
    Ronaldo 1 Messi 0
    The GOAT still banging them in at 35 years of age.
    Gak-head Maradona was dribbling down his shirt in nightclubs by that stage.

  7. ReproBertie

    The Supreme Court has no time for Trump’s nonsense.

    “The Supreme Court on Tuesday denied a request from Pennsylvania Republicans to block certification of the commonwealth’s election results, delivering a near fatal blow to the GOP’s long-shot bid to invalidate President-elect Joe Biden’s victory. The one-line order was issued with no noted dissents.”

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/08/politics/supreme-court-pennsylvania-trump-biden/index.html

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