26 thoughts on “Monday’s Papers

    1. Fearganainm

      She’s also a student at Royal Holloway University of London where she’s studying physics. Seems to have good politics too – and nobody can blame the young woman for being versatile and keeping a few irons in the fire.

      I presume that you’re not suggesting that she was a part of a cunning plan to make the Met Police look bad as they don’t need any help with that at all.

    1. Andy Pipkin

      I think it’s because they’re all back in school today!

      Hope all is good with you and yours.

    2. alickdouglas

      Gosh it is, I could actually read all of the comments and not have to ‘not see’ any. I could get used to this.

  1. GiggidyGoo

    And the vaccine debacle trundles along.
    If the AZ vaccine is suspected of causing clots, doesn’t that call into question AZ’s own testing? Or are the recipients in the UK immune from clots?
    This could be, of course, the EU’s revenge for AZ’s not living up to their contract, as it’s EU countries that have stopped using it, and has sowed the seed of doubt. Michilín might get a bargain from Biden.

    1. Junkface

      The irony is that covid 19 itself causes blood clots. A lot more than they are saying the AZ vaccine might cause. They should not suspend its use.

    2. goldenbrown

      not buying this AZN story at all, it stinks

      isn’t it very very fortuitous that this clotting concern all of a sudden arrives on the scene? nice little narrative shift, EU Govts getting a tool to cover for the botched contract, the overpromises, the supply gap, the missed targets

      Paul Reid already using it on the radio this morning

      it’s politico bs

      1. Cú Chulainn

        +1,000 the truth is that our guys fell asleep at the wheel and made zero efforts to secure extra vaccinations for Ireland. What planet are they living on ? No responsibility and no accountability. This is politics at its lowest.

    3. Junkface

      So up to 70 million people have had the AZ vaccine, worldwide so far, but recently 4 blood clot cases appeared in Norway. Four cases! That’s nothing! The vaccination rollout is already in slow motion, jesus. Get it back on track.

        1. alickdouglas

          I think the MSD candidate is Molnupiravir. In that case it’s a drug, not a vaccine. i.e. the drug would need to be circulating at impactful levels at the time of exposure for it to work. Presumably you’d need it at least weekly, possibly daily.
          There are a couple of oral vaccines under development, but they’ve not produced compelling results. Vaxart had an interesting looking one, but the Phase I results were poor. At this stage oral vaccines, if we see them at all will likely be ‘second gen’ vaccines I imagine, it will be difficult for them to piggy-back results off the licensed candidates, so they will face a tougher licensure pathway. I think Novavax–if successful–will be the last of the vaccines we’ll see licensed this year in Europe/US.

  2. E'Matty

    it appears to be all young people suffering from these blood clots (under 50), and this cohort are under almost no threat from the virus itself. It makes absolutely no sense for people who are no under threat from the virus to voluntarily take on the clear risk involved in taking this vaccine. In truth, this argument holds for all healthy people under 55 and all of these experimental vaccines. Risk to reward simply isn’t there. Let the at-risk groups get vaccinated and once that’d done, open everything up and start rebuilding the country. Anyone planning on vaccinating their kids needs their head checked.

    1. ian-oG

      You say there is a ‘clear risk’ in taking the vaccine so why then suggest those already ‘at risk’ take this supposed ‘clear risk’?

      Also, are you referring solely to the covid vaccine or all vaccines with your closing statement?

      1. E'Matty

        The increased risk seems to be for young people receiving the vaccine (all under 50 I believe). Young people are at almost no risk at all from SARS-COV2 and Covid19. Therefore, the risk reward calculation is strongly against being vaccinated and certainly where you have a vaccine which may be causing serious blood issues for young people, there is no sense in it at all. For older people though, Covid 19 poses a much greater risk. The negative effects of the AZ vaccine doesn’t appear to be manifesting in older age cohorts so the argument in favour of older people receiving it is stronger. Personally, any healthy person of just about any age, in my opinion, should stay away from these experimental vaccines. The only ones I can see any argument in favour of vaccinating is the very elderly and those with very serious underlying conditions, and only then when they are infroamed and happy to toake on the risk of vaccination. Most people are simply not at any great risk from this virus so taking on the risks inherent in any new medicine, especially one brought to market in record time, seems pretty illogical and stupid tbh. Anyone who wants to take on that risk, let them go for it. Nobody else needs to.

      2. E'Matty

        and in respect of my closing statement that you asked about, it would be anyone planning on vaccinating their kids against Covid who needs their head checked. I’m not against all vaccines but I also recognise the risk involved in any such medication, and especially one developed in record time, in an enviroment of huge finacial incentive to be first to market and massive political pressure to approve. It would make no sense to risk a child’s health with an experimental vaccine still in stage 3 trials to try prevent them developing an illnesss they already enjoy a natural immunity to to begin with.

    2. alickdouglas

      I genuinely have no idea what’s going on with the AZ clotting question. It’s not unheard of to spot issues after millions of doses but it’s rare enough. Neither is it unheard of to have isolated batch problems, as was proposed at one point for the current concern. However, so far the concerns seem to be centered around 3 deaths (Austria, Italy, Germany I think). This doesn’t sound like rational signal detection. Neither do I really understand why health authorities would want to generate a hubbub about vaccine safety.

      The European countries (UK included) have done a rubbish job of providing a rationale for the targeting of vaccine roll out, and in particular being up front about what sort of risks are involved in receiving a vaccine, how safety is monitored and in particular how safety can be assured. In theory there is a cross-EU vaccine safety monitoring system in place, but it’s always looked a bit ropy and on the basis of this it’s not fit for purpose.

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