68 thoughts on “Monday’s Papers

  1. Todd Unction

    Thankfully nothing serious happened over the weekend.

    For a few minutes there I was a bit worried.
    I’m an awful fecking eejit so I am.

    I was sure it was all going to kick off.

    Maybe next week.

  2. Lilly

    That could be a competition. Finish the sentence: The real reason Diana was in Paris on night of crash was….

    Lines close at 00:23 hours.

      1. Paulus

        A joke from the time described morgue attendants opening body bags after crash singing:
        ‘Zipidee Dodi, zipidee Di’

        (Too soon?)

  3. SOQ

    I really don’t know why people are surprised at Dublin CC being swarmed by kids- they have been cooked up for a year with no social interaction, at a time in their lives when it was most important. That people don’t understand how hard it has been for children and teenagers is bizarre, because even when they did get back to school they had to wear bloody masks and all that social distance stuff.

    And, it should also be no surprise that it is more the poorer kids who are out because they do not have the luxury of large houses and gardens and in some cases, probably not even their own bedrooms. But that didn’t stop the snobby sneering on social media of course, but as someone commented at the beginning- the government had this image of civilised al fresco dining, which proves how out of touch with reality they really are.

    1. Bertie blenkinsop

      I think it’s the whole “thumping the heads off each other” that people are objecting to, rather than their general presence.

      1. SOQ

        Given the amount of kids out and about. the number of incidents reported are small. Temple bar and even the Half Penny bridge area was absolutely heaving and most appeared to be under 18. Of course each incident will be amplified across social media because that is the sort of thing that gets clicks- there is even fake ones doing the rounds of footage from years ago.

        Why bars and restaurants are open in the north but not here is another question.

    2. goldenbrown

      ah but which kids are you referring to here?

      the properly raised ones who are out to socialise with others in a decent, well behaved and equitable manner?

      or the angry feral scrotes who are out to intimidate but had their arses handed to them by the likes of mature gent Jervis St. shopkeeper and kung-fu waiter?

      1. millie bobby brownie

        King Fu Waiter deserves a raise, if nothing else.

        That said, if the shops/bars/restaurants in that area wanted to be really proactive until the govt pulls the finger out about dealing with the antisocial behaviour we’re seeing at the moment, would it not make sense for them to employ bouncers/security type people (even as a co-op type thing) to deter the little shjts hellbent on wreaking havoc?

        I’m probably being naive, in fairness.

        1. Can a Da?

          Why does Kung Fu Waiter deserve a raise? He is just as big a bully as the scrote who menaced him.

          1. Can a Da?

            We will so. Yet we note that you still haven’t offered any argument as to why a man who is most famous for a violent assault in public on another member of the public ‘deserves’ a raise. So we’re not ‘agreeing to disagree’, instead you’ve refused to defend your point of view which some might see as reactionary and offensive.

            Good day to you *waves hand dismissively.

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            The scrotes were blowing smoke from their joint in the face of a pregnant woman and racially abusing her. The waiter was protecting her and other patrons from abuse.

          3. millie bobby brownie

            Fine, if you would like me to elaborate.

            I think the waiter used self defense, and to great effect. He was attacked and almost glassed within the space of a few minutes for doing his job, unlike those kids, who were clearly looking for a fight, if those few minutes of vid were any indication. He went well above and beyond the duties his role required (wait/bar staff). He, along with a number of others, managed to make them move along so that no one was hurt further, in spite of bottles and other makeshift missiles being hurled violently at bystanders and customers.

            I’m sure that if no one had stepped in and a diner had been injured, we’d be having a different debate altogether.

            Buh bye now.

          4. Can a Da?

            Yea. I see what you are doing.
            You just want to have the last word, not to debate the actual issue. Fair enough.

          5. Can a Da?

            “An anonymous source told Dublin Live”

            That’s all you got Daisy? Seriously?

            Won’t someone think of the (unborn) children?????

        2. SOQ

          There would be legal issues there Millie- there is very tight rules about how far a security guard or indeed any employee can work. Inside then boundaries of the venue is fine but they have no authority to enforce rules on a pavement.

          In the case of the kung foo waiter- he were acting as a private citizen and not an employee. If someone had to have gotten injured, he would have ended up on assault charges.

          Although generally, I am not sure how public labiality insurance works on pavements- all such business are required to have it- most likely covered inside a defined boundary of shrubs or such like.

          1. millie bobby brownie

            I did figure there would be some kind of legal/insurance type impediment, and that definitely makes sense. So why have the government not made a move to better police this? I can only imagine the frustration of business owners, especially in Dublin City centre.

            The fact that there have been no practical plans to back up this ‘Outdoor Summer’ is farcical, tbh. People are delighted to be back out, the shops & pubs are delighted to be open, and yet every week there’s a new issue that the government has overlooked or failed to take into consideration at all.

          2. Can a Da?


            There is very strict liability for people acting as security. The argument would be whether he was acting in self-defense and using reasonable force at all times. I think we all already know the answer to that under our legal system. If we compare to the Chinese business owner a few weeks ago, he was fine because he was repeatedly menaced, attacked and threatened by a recidivist scrote and on his premises as well.

          3. Can a Da?

            millie this is a government that believes the ‘private’ sector will take care of anything. That is, when they are not stuffing the public sector with their worthless overpaid cronies.

        3. goldenbrown

          no I entirely agree Millie, I have a family member caught in the middle just like kung-fu waiter (he’s only a few yards further up the street)

          + the state apparatus are shrugging their shoulders going “well what can you do” as the to be expected warzone unfolds following their completely unstructured unplanned reopening

          + the owners are shrugging their shoulders going “well what can you do” (whilst raking in the cash)

          + meanwhile the staff on €12.50 ph mostly kids themselves are left dealing with it all…trying to do their jobs but left dealing with this new hybrid waiter/door security role they’ve just had dumped on them

          it’s utter bllx and the business owners need to cop on and fast

          if they want to do business down there it should be mandatory for them to employ professional security staff to protect their business, customers and staff, it’s a cost of doing business, mandatory, end of!

          1. Can a Da?

            Get a job somewhere else then, on a farm, or somewhere like a library with a nice quiet life. Dealing with difficult customers is a way of life in hospitality.

          2. millie bobby brownie

            That was the same attitude I got after being sexually assaulted in my first job in hospitality at the age of 17.

            Nice to see it’s as prevalent as ever.

          3. Can a Da?

            That’s a bit of a leap now Millie. Well done on waving the victim card though to close down the debate. You are a master debater indeed. Fair play.

          4. SOQ

            But waiting or bar staff are not allowed to act as security? Every security staff member is vetted and must receive training before they are granted a license. They are also obliged to have their details on display at all times.

            I would think that any waiter acting as security, no matter how justified the action is, is breaking the law- likewise an employer expecting them to do so?

            They really haven’t thought this ‘outdoor summer’ thing through at all.

          5. millie bobby brownie

            Not much of leap between physical assault and sexual assault at all actually. The clue is in the word ‘assault’.

          6. Can a Da?

            Were these violent thug waiter boys sexually assaulted – I didn’t see that millie? I saw them re-enter a violent confrontation after many onlookers had tried to restrain them. I’m sorry but the circumstances of your own claimed assault, while undoubtedly distressing for you, are not comparable to this directly. Sorry.

          7. goldenbrown

            Can a Da? equating “difficult customers” with disaffected violent scrotes attacking businesses, their staff and actual customers lol

            do you like constructing cogent arguments against yourself?

            nevermind don’t answer that random newcomer (lol) as I’ve already worked it out for you and I have no interest in your reply

            thanks for the laugh tho, I needed that on an otherwise dull Monday morning!

          8. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            personally I found it very satisfying to see the little dose get a slap, if it’s wrong I don’t care

          9. Can a Da?

            hi janet we have the rule of law for a reason, if we go down the road you mention, satisfying as it may well be in the short term, we can’t complain when everyone then sees a green light to taking the law into their own hands, including the agents of state .. [rudeness toward moderators removed]

          10. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            if there was a functional body of law this little boo boo would likely have been locked up years ago

          11. Can a Da?

            first – sorry moderators if you think I’m being rude, no worries lads/ladies

            janet, I agree we have a situation here where the courts have moved very much recently towards protections for the young, we all know why that’s the case, has it moved too far in the opposite direction, perhaps, but then you see read about what people in Tusla have done to the likes of Maurice McCabe or see cops out breaking up stuff without badges or numbers on, and you wonder have we gone far enough yet?

          12. Lilly

            Personally delighted to see that little pup having his bottom kicked. He was looking for trouble, the waiter was getting him to clear off without using excessive force. Buy that man a martini. Stop looking for the government to step in and legislate for every squabble.

          13. SOQ

            Irrespective of motive Lilly, he broke the law, he was not a licensed security guard. He could actually be prosecuted for it?

            Just on the subject of licensed security staff, its safe to assume there is a limited supply, in which case, there wouldn’t be enough of them to cover every single business anyways.

          14. Lilly

            Go away out of that. He could not actually be prosecuted for it. It was clearly self-defence. We are allowed to defend ourselves when attacked. Imagine that.

            Are you running a security service or something? You seem very keen on the idea of bouncers at every doorway.

          15. Can a Da?

            if you watch the video Lilly I’d say it was possibly legitimate self-defence the first time, though to be fair he also does look like a trained, proficient fighter as well and then that can be factored in if he does some real damage, like he should know better than the use of those tactics on the amateur thug he encountered etc. But then when it kicks off again the second time it was after other people had dragged him away etc

          16. SOQ

            He’s the one on the offensive? He is the one chasing them down the street? Under no circumstances could that be construed as self defence.

            As for bouncers- they must be licensed and there is a limited supply- this is fact. There simply would not be enough of them to be placed at the door of every business.

          17. SOQ

            Just on the subject of security personnel again- have a look at this.


            Even if they were employed, there is no way they would be authorised to be on the outside of those tables. And then you’d need one for every set of tables- the cost of which would be added to your bill.

            It would be like eating with the Luas bouncers staring into your gob. And, if some gurrier came along and snatched a bag for example- there is nothing they can do anyways.

          18. Lilly

            I should get my nephew off his ‘puter and send him into South William St to earn a few bob for the summer. He had a black belt in karate and is 6’2” and still growing. Also has a cool head. But I know in advance his mammy wouldn’t let him.

    1. Can a Da?

      It was in public. She is allowed wear it at any public appearance. A wedding is a public event you are publicly declaring your intention to marry etc… the banns are read out…. I guess…

      1. Des

        A bit odd though. Its a symbol of public office and she had it on at a personal event that she said was low key etc. I thnk she likes a bit of coverage.

        1. Lilly

          Definitely odd. Not to mention clunky. What next, Tour de France winners wearing their bicycle chains. She’s clearly not bothered by aesthetics.

          1. Redundant Proofreaders Society

            It was probably worn to justify the use of the Mansion House as the wedding venue.

    2. Daisy Chainsaw

      She’s not the first Lord Mayor to wear the chains for their wedding. And she, at least, didn’t wear them while getting married. She wore them afterwards in her capacity as Lord Mayor greeting wellwishers.

      Royston Brady wore the chains for his wedding and used the Lord Mayor’s coach to deliver his bride, like she was Cinders going to the ball.

        1. Redundant Proofreaders Society

          *Our house.
          In the middle of our Dawson Street.
          In the middle of our capital city.

  4. Sam

    Is anyone here confused why people , young or old would be reluctant to take the jab

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