57 thoughts on “Tuesday’s Papers

      1. GiggidyGoo

        For not being fooled into the mitigation, not accepting the role model, no previous convictions, or probation scam. Yes, a low fine, but both now with a conviction and had to bring € 5000 to court.

        1. Can a Da?

          Totally agree – the compensation bit is another scam, it’s how they avoid a conviction usually.
          Imagine these lads trying to claim they are role models to young people! Jaysus

        2. Bitnboxy

          Mindless thuggery is mindless thuggery. The DJ was entirely correct to record a conviction and not apply the Probation Act. In fact, one could argue these “men”, given their status as sporting role models, had even more of a duty to lead by example.

          There is simply no excuse for this crime – raining down punches on a man trying to protect an elderly man from these same apes. You do have to wonder about the background of these young apes and what caused them to act with such violence. The victim’s ordeal was further exacerbated by feral supporters of these apes who tried to make the whole ordeal somehow his fault. This is about as far away from “boys will be boys” as you can get.

          They’ll appeal of course – a full de novo hearing in the Circuit. Whatever the outcome, Judge Waters has done the right thing by recording a conviction.

          1. Fergalito

            Brings to mind that case in Kerry too where a sex offender stood in front of a line of locals to receive handshakes and backs-slaps to tell him the mighty man he was.

            Or the pup-Healy-Raes acting with impunity in whatever small town they’re from prior to assaulting a Chip Van owner?

            Big fish in small ponds and the swagger that comes with that – this is what it is. John B. Keane bore witness to and documented it. Still an enduring element of human nature.

            Proper order here with the case cited above – role models me Swiss.

  1. Lilly

    The Telegraph website is atrocious. I’ve just spent five minutes searching for ‘Falling out with Ted Hughes’ and nothing. It’s not even under Books. Search function turns up nothing either. What a joke. And I thought finding Michael Harding on The Irish Times was difficult, it’s a breeze in comparison.

    1. dav

      ..”is it the case that there is something about this virus that we are not being told?”
      yes, they are ALL out to get you..

      1. SOQ

        We were told this thing came from bats and that is now looking increasingly unlikely. If it came out of a lab- what exactly is it?

          1. scottser

            in fairness cian, i don’t share any of SOQ’s opinions on covid, but the whole bat story is complete horsefeathers. the investigative team from the WHO hadn’t even got a remit to properly seek the origin of the virus. there’s no evidence because neither the WHO nor the chinese want there to be any.

          2. General Public

            People like Cian don’t care about important things such as the origin of the virus or whether it’s ever been isolated or not.

          3. Junkface

            The lab leak theory is the most likely, as its now being investigated by the Biden admin, they won’t find much as China scrubbed the crime scene at the lab. (a criminal action under international science labs which have accidents)

            The former head of the CDC said it came from a lab, he’s a virology expert. He also said it was partially engineered.

            There is up to now ZERO evidence of animal to human covid 19 transmission (highly unusual in cases were this happened before). There never was any evidence of it. It was a fake theory put forward by the CCP. The US media now accepts that in the majority. They refused to accept this theory last year because Trump said something similar. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

          4. Cian

            Just because there is a possibility is was a lab leak, and they are investigating this, doesn’t make it either (a) fact, or (b) more likely. It just means they are investigating it.

            Covid-19 is a virus from bats. (it may have been engineered, but there is no conclusive evidence to support that).

            Covid-19 may have entered Wuhan from a “lab leak”. But this doesn’t automatically mean it was an engineered virus, it may have been a natural virus that leaked.

            I think the source of Covid-19 should be investigated.

          5. Junkface

            Why ask the experts on anything Cian? Their experience in this particular field means nothing, also the fact that the former CDC guy ran labs like this. Dr.Fauci has also been caught out on a lie about “gain of function research” labs, like the one in Wuhan that the US partially funded.
            They actually collected bat viruses from north areas of China and brought them to Wuhan, boosted certain proteins in the virus, making it more transmissible, then accidentally leaked it, making 3 lab employees sick with the virus in Oct 2019. These are known and accepted reports now, based on information from other lab employees, citizen journalists who filmed outside the lab and hospital.
            It has also come out that the scientists in the Wuhan lab did not complete the full virology safety certificates, they were fast tracked. This story keeps revealing more every week.

            I’m amazed that anyone can still have the opinion that this virus did not come from a lab.

            Plus! All virology scientists who have looked at this virus under a microscope have said that it looks engineered.

          6. Cian

            They actually collected bat viruses from north areas of China and brought them to Wuhan, boosted certain proteins in the virus, making it more transmissible, then accidentally leaked it, making 3 lab employees sick with the virus in Oct 2019. These are known and accepted reports now,

            Can you show me the evidence for this, frankly astonishing if true, story? Specifically evidence that there was a leak , and that the leak was an engineered version of the virus.

            All virology scientists who have looked at this virus under a microscope have said that it looks engineered.
            Again, evidence for this. (also what kind of “virology scientist” uses a microscope to detect viral engineering? really – a microscope?)

            If not, can you stop spreading lies and rumours as fact.

          7. Nigel

            In the end it may turn out to have leaked from the lab, but I don’t understand why people are so determined that it MUST have come from the lab, and its apparent corollary, it MUST have been engineered in the lab, while the idea that it came from the wild, the wild being the source of pretty much all known viruses in human history, is so unlikely as to be outrageous. Apparently people seem to think that discovering the source of a virus in vast swathes of mountain and jungle is obviously easier than tracing a leak from a controlled and monitored laboratory environment.

          8. Junkface

            I am not spreading lies. This is now an accepted theory with many journalists worldwide taking up the case, but especially in Washington DC.
            How am I spreading lies when I am a commenter on a news website, not a newspaper? Or a 24hour news channel? Get a grip!

            I am also too busy to go digging up evidence for you, I have a job. Like I said before, there are numerable podcasts detailing events in Wuhan. You can go look for these podcasts with breaking news stories, or you can continue to bury your head in the sand and hope it goes away. A good source is Josh Rogin, he broke the story first over a month ago. I think Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi are also writing about it.

            Again, here is the former head of the CDC with his experienced opinion on the matter

            Here is a DW news report citing the events that I mentioned above.

          9. Cian

            “This is now an accepted theory”
            I agree. Theory.

            But you have been stating these things as facts. There is a huge difference between facts and theory.

            You said: “The former head of the CDC said it came from a lab”;
            but the truth is “The former head of the CDC said he believes it came from a lab”

            You said “All virology scientists who have looked at this virus under a microscope have said that it looks engineered.”
            Any followup on that?

            Thanks for the DW news report link. But is doesn’t support what you said it does. It is totally neurtal about the source of the virus. “In a statement, Biden said the majority of the US intelligence community had “coalesced” around two likely scenarios: that the virus was transmitted to humans via contact with an infected animal, or it emerged from a lab accident.
            Some Biden administration officials have harbored strong doubts about the lab leak theory. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House chief medical adviser, said Wednesday that he and other scientists “believe that the most likely scenario is that this was a natural occurrence, but no one knows that 100% for sure.” “I believe we do need the kind of investigation where there’s open transparency and for all the information that’s available, to be made available and to scrutinize,” Fauci said at a Senate hearing.”

          10. Junkface

            You cannot find the definitive proof, if the main suspect has wiped the scene of the crime, forensically for a year, and then let the international observers take a restricted look at the lab. It’s the ultimate corruption you are dealing with, when you deal with China’s CCP.

            We will never have the definitive proof. It’s almost impossible now. All we have is eye witness reports and shared lab emails and photos.

            I don’t think you fully grasp the situation with China and how the CCP lie about everything! They never accept responsibility for anything. They will do anything to shift blame. That is what they have done since chairman Mao.

            The world has to wake up to the threat China poses to our way of life. It’s governed by a mob who murders its own people at will, who commit genocide on the UIghur muslims, force its people into a social credit system, AI cameras everywhere, essentially a dystopian police state nightmare and openly threaten Taiwan’s existence with fighter jets.

            We will have to agree to disagree, but I think the bat to humans transmission at the markets theory was actually more racist against Chinese culture than the lab leak theory. Here’s a comedy bit on the topic from Jon Stewart on the late show with Colbert. Very funny.


    2. Cian

      After 127,000-153,000 covid deaths the UK perhaps they are a little bit cautious and listening to real experts.

        1. Papi

          Anybody to SOQ: ” I disagree with what you are saying”


          1. SOQ

            I am definitely a precious queen darlin but he/she/under a willow tree does not mean that ‘they’- meaning Cian- are not paid professionals.

      1. General Public

        Have there been more or similar excess deaths in other years within the last 20 years?

        1. Cian

          The UK experienced a large hike in deaths in 2020 – about 15% bigger than expected.

          There were 74,000 Covid deaths reported in 2020. There were 78,000 more deaths in 2020 than 2019.

          Year   Number of Deaths   Crude death rate (per 100,000 population)
          2020   608,002   1,016.20  
          2019   530,841     893.1  
          2018   541,589     916.1  
          2017   533,253     907.7  
          2016   525,048     899.3  


          And 2021 will most likely have a similar death rate (based on the 50,000+ Covid deaths so far)

          1. General Public

            Was there a higher death rate average between 1990 and 2003 compared with 2020?

          2. Micko

            Ah yes. I remember when the sky fell in and all the people died in the 90’s and no one batted an eyelid.

            Good times.

          3. Cian

            If road traffic deaths in Ireland jumped to the 400s – would be okay with you too? Just because it was that high in the 90s?
            If unemployment in Ireland jumped to 16+% – would be okay with you too? Just because it was that high in the 90s?

            Some of us have moved on…

          4. Micko


            Road Deaths? Wait until the undiagnosed Cancer patients and missed hospital appointments come in Cian. There’ll be lots of dead folks then for you to explain away

            It’ll make the 90’s figures look like a cakewalk.

            Unemployment? Just wait until the PuP stops Cian.

            Some people don’t even realise they’re unemployed yet.

            It’ll be homeless next, once they can’t pay their mortgages.

            Frogs in boiling water*

            And you’ll still be there – towing the government line.

            And yes, I’m well aware the whole frogs in boiling water thing is a myth – but it’s a good analogy ;)

          5. General Public

            Road deaths.. Lol

            Apparently all the way to 2003 we were all dropping like flies.

            Prehistoric 2003.

  2. SOQ

    Tess Laurie’s peer reviewed paper on the use of Ivermectin for Covid-19 has just been published.


    Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.


    1. alickdouglas

      The data shows that out of all the RCTs of Ivermectin to date, only 15, including 3500 subjects in total are reported in a reliable enough manner to be subjected to meta-analysis. If you look at the figures, you’ll see that only 1 study shows an independent statistically significant impact of Ivermectin vs. death due to COVID19. No other endpoint reaches statistical significance. Yes, the meta-analysis shows trends towards positive impact for a range of other impacts of COVID19, but not with statistical significance, and indeed, very broad confidence intervals. Therefore, the only evidence-based conclusion which can note a positive impact of Ivermectin is that ‘Ivermectin appears to prevent death due to COVID19’. Is it proposed to make widespread application of a drug only because it might prevent some deaths? Shouldn’t useful drugs prevent illness, time lost and transmission? All I see from this analysis is that the evidence from RCTs for Ivermectin isn’t very promising for COVID19. If you need to meta-analyse to get statistical significance you are in a very bad place in drug development.

        1. alickdouglas

          Oh, I have nothing against trying, and I’d be happy enough to see a clinical trial. But I also understand why trial sponsors aren’t hot about organizing a statistically powered trial. When you see data like the meta-analysis, it doesn’t inspire confidence to invest a large amount of time and resources.

    2. Lilly

      Tell that to GPs all across the EU who refuse to prescribe it on the basis that the dosage needed to kill Covid causes kidney damage.

    1. Can a Da?

      Well duh, And ultra-conservative. You only have to look at the medical cannabis issue for proof of that.

    1. Cian

      Mr Hopson told Times Radio the jabs would “probably” be required on “an annual basis for… at least five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 years”.

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