I’m confused.com.
Ireland’s re-opening on July 5th is likely to be postponed because of the “worrying situation” in the UK.
The same UK that has told people they can go to Ibiza on holidays, okayed 140,000 spectators at the Formula 1 GP at Silverstone and 60,000 at the Euros final.
So far we’ve managed a dreary concert in Iveleigh Gardens with people stood in social distanced groups staring daggers at anyone coming near them without wearing the full Hazmat gear.
Can someone fill in the blank spaces for me ?
Micko
+1 Frankie
IMO it’s the same reason they won’t roll out antigen testing.
Too much money to be made.
Millions every month being spent on this madness.
Here TD Michael McNamara asking the taoiseach the same question.
“The child is not invisible and without rights in the eyes of the law.”
Unfortunately, with the Irish people removing the constitutional protection for the unborn child’s right to life in May 2018, that’s simply not true.
Bitnboxy
But this couple are not calling for the macabre 8th to be reinstated.
What befell this poor couple as reported elsewhere was a rather elementary failure to wait before the final chromosomal test before making the decision. They have even sought a meeting with the Minister to make sure that this test must be carried out before any termination decision can be made. They are calling for the results of Chorionic Villus karotyping analysis in all cases where genetic conditions are suspected in the presence of a normal scan before any decision to terminate can be made. This happens in every other jurisdiction as part of FFA tests.
Fatal fetal conditions exist whether you like it or not and at times not every woman is emotionally capable of going full term (which can also result in serious complications in some instances). We are certainly not going back to a situation where these women slink off to the UK for FFA testing (correctly done) and termination (if she chooses) with the fetal remains posted back adding to the distress. You might be happy with such hypocrisy – I am not. Needless to say, the 8th left its own carcasses – of those very poor and desperate women. That was the price we paid. Do you want me to list the names of these women Newsjustin?
Hard abortion bans do not save lives. The 8th did not save lives. Far bloody from it.
newsjustin
“But this couple are not calling for the macabre 8th to be reinstated.”
I know.
“Hard abortion bans do not save lives. The 8th did not save lives. Far bloody from it.”
If the 8th Amendment had been retained, there’s no question, this child would be alive.
Bitnboxy
Hard cases make bad laws.
Hard cases do not mandate the reintroduction of a constitutional amendment proven to have fettered doctors and obstetricians in the performance of their duties and led to the deaths of poor, vulnerable and desperate women. You studiously avoid any acknowledgement of this. Shall I list the names of those who might be alive today were it not for the 8th? Eh?
If the 8th were retained, more hard cases would have fallen foul of it.
Religion and medicine do not mix.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
He doesn’t care about the Mother, it just her tough, as someone who has been told another pregnancy would kill her I find it pretty offensive.
newsjustin
Janet, you keep telling yourself I don’t care about mothers. It’s a total figment of your imagination that allows you not to deal with the facts before you.
Look, I know the constitutional protection for the right to life of the unborn isn’t going to return anytime soon. But its important, just as the pitfalls of having the 8th were pointed out, that the obvious pitfalls of removing it are pointed out.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
And yet you never address their legitimate needs or consider them a priority. Look it’s an old argument you and I have over and over, have a good weekend news.
I agree Janet.
I generally find newsjustin a decent commenter, in that we can thrash out something respectfully and in fact share a good deal of common views, but I found in 2018 and find it to be the case now, that he fails to either understand or acknowledge a woman’s right to bodily autonomy and her right to life over that of an unborn child/foetus (not getting into that argument again), and that the concerns of women (i.e. the ones carrying the baby, the ones dealing with the pain and fear that comes with FFA, rape, or an unwanted pregnancy) hold very little water with him, when compared with the idea of an unborn child/foetus being aborted.
I do understand that it is a moral and ethical issue for him, but I’m not sure that he realises that it is for us women too.
Papi
News, you go to sleep at night with your beliefs, but just know, you and your kind are dying off, and your beliefs will go into the grave with you, where they belong. Maybe then we’ll progress.
newsjustin
I think everyone’s beliefs go to the grave with them Papi.
Papi
Some deserve to stay there too. Sooner the better.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
may they sink into the earth Papi
Daisy Chainsaw
How many women and girls would be dead?
How many dead women and girls would be an acceptable balance to the tragic loss (and exploitation) of one child?
Papi
Ah, shur once Jesus is happy the auld wimmin can burn in hell. They will anyway.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
I blame Eve
Papi
So does newsjustin.
jungleman
@Newsjustin You’re putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.
newsjustin
2 + 2 = 6,666
Cian
Reading this suddenly made me think of something.
The COVID restrictions on travel would have made it terribly difficult, or impossible, for women to travel to the UK for abortions.
This made me realise how lucky many people are that the 8th was repealed and abortions are available in the state.
Hyper real
Thanks blueshirts
newsjustin
Yes, thankfully a global pandemic with millions of humans dying was not able to prevent other humans dying.
millie bobby brownie
That’s a ridiculous stance to take. It’s insulting to your own intelligence.
There’s a reason the 8th amendment was repealed, a reason the referendum had such a decided result. Just because its morally repugnant to you, that doesn’t negate the need for safe and legal abortion in this country, and the majority of the voting public knows this.
Cian
As said many times before.
The 8th didn’t stop irish women having abortions.
It just forced them to travel for the abortion (or to get pills online and take them without medical oversight).
newsjustin
You’re factually correct there Cian. There’s no doubt about that.
Just as there’s no doubt that the couple’s child – Christopher – would be alive if the constitutional protection of his right to life had still been in place.
It’s a pity for Christopher that it wasn’t.
Bitnboxy
And Savita would likely be alive had she received a termination when she requested. The 8th had a chilling effect on that obstetrician (or as the final report said “one cannot discount the spectre of the 8th amendment in her care”) as she decided that she could not lawfully terminate as long as a 12 week foetal heart beat was still there albeit weakening. She also knew the foetus was failing rapidly but when she did act it was all just too late, compounded by the other horrific failures in Savita’s care. The 8th meant that the obstetrician, by her own evidence, was fettered in what she could do and more importantly when she could do it.
newsjustin
The difference was that the 8th was wrongly used as a reason not to intervene to save the life of Savita.
Whereas the absence of the 8th is the very reason why Christopher lost his life.
Bitnboxy
You make my point for me Newsjustin – the chilling effect of the 8th meant that the obstetrician really didn’t know what she could do legally. As Michael McDowell pointed out in relation to the pregnant women kept artificially alive, the 8th offered no set legal guidance and always resulted in doctors running to lawyers at the expense of the patient. Grotesque.
Daisy Chainsaw
@Newsjustin How can you say that for sure? If the same tests were done before Repeal and the same incorrect result given, how do you know the couple would have just stayed in Ireland, resigned to their fate, and not done the Irish thing of having their abortion outsourced to the UK?
newsjustin
Daisy, the very unfortunate thing about this case is that the couple, egged on by their doctors, jumped the gun and were encouraged to abort their child before a final, more accurate diagnostic test.
In the event that the 8th still existed, a) the doctors wouldn’t have been encouraging an abortion for a child with a suspected fetal abnormality and b) if they had gone to the UK, they’d have got the results of the tests.
But since there was no longer any protection for the right to life of Christopher, the doctors did what No campaigners said they would do in cases with a suspected fetal abnormality – they encouraged the couple to have an abortion.
Removing the 8th cost Christopher his chance at life.
Daisy Chainsaw
Encouraged? You mean offered a choice to the parents who took it. This choice was ALWAYS given to people in their position, the difference in this case was that it wasn’t hypocritically exported like other TFMR cases.
You never answered how many dead women and girls would be an acceptable balance to the tragic loss (and exploitation) of one child? I wonder why?
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
tis god’s will if you die from childbirth or probably a lack of faith that leads to post natal dépression, sure isn’t every child a gift well unless they are not legit or something along those lines I’d imagine….
newsjustin
You’re talking nonsense Janet. Just stick to the facts.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
well maybe answer Daisy’s question and I’d have less to read into :)
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
your silence when asked about the Mother’s health is deafening
Papi
Man who believes in sky fairy insists on facts.
Hyper real
Why even bother Janet?
You’re looking for a chink of light with this guy that simply isn’t there!
newsjustin
Daisy’s question is framed around the notion that for the unborn to avoid abortion it must cost the lives of women and girls. Given that abortion has been legal for decades in Ireland, and regularly carried out by doctors, to save the life of mothers, its a stretch.
So my answer is zero. I’ve always supported the treatment of women, even if it, regrettably, results in the death of babies they may be carrying.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
thank you for your clarification even though I believe you not to fully understand my point of view or the reality of the situation
f_lawless
@Cian: was going to respond on another thread but decided to post here instead
You say “The best outcome for society as a whole is for everyone to get vaccinated (and to do so as quickly as possible). ”
The problem with that assumption, as I see it, is that there isn’t a consensus among the top level experts in the scientific community. that this is the best outcome for society. In fact there’s a growing number of experts speaking out about the potential dangers of Covid vaccines but are given little to no airtime. It’s readily observable that there currently exists a very oppressive atmosphere when it comes to openly critiquing Covid vaccine programs in the public realm. Those scientists who would go against the grain are liable to have their research funding cut off, to be smeared in the media and blacklisted. It’s easy to see many could be deterred from speaking out in order to protect their careers.
Here’s a few who are raising the alarm, off the top of my head:
Dr Robert Malone (inventor of mRNA vaccine technology)
Dr Mike Yeadon (an ex Pfizer vice president)
Dr Sucharit Bhakti (microbiologist, Germany’s most cited research scientist)
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche (virologist, coordinated the Ebola Vaccine Program on behalf of GAVI)
Aside from that, there’s already so many adverse events that have been recorded at a rate far exceeding any vaccine roll out in history. Vaccine roll outs have been halted for far less.
Days ago a new study was published in the peer-reviewed journal “Vaccines” which came to the grim conclusion that for every three deaths the vaccines prevent, two people die from an adverse reaction, while another four suffer serious side effects.
See here: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm
” For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination.
Conclusions: This lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy”
alickdouglas
Let’s look at that publication… It’s in a reasonably decent journal, so initially promising. I was however struck by the first sentence: ‘new regulatory frameworks were put in place that allowed for the expedited review of data and admission of new vaccines without safety data’, and intrigued that it had a citation, so checked it. That particular reference (in German, thanks google translate), is littered with anti scientific nonsense, and authored by someone who writes novels and is an admitted vaccine sceptic. So I decided to check the authors of the paper in MDPI: a professor of alternative medicine, a physicist and a data scientist ‘who sees patterns where others don’t’. Hmm. Not very promising, only one line in… Let’s press on. Their publication is based largely on the Eudravigilence data set, and that’s a bit concerning because it is a notoriously difficult database to analyse. One of the reasons is that it is ‘passive’ surveillance so it relies on those with symptoms (or their health providers) to report spontaneously, so it’s very difficult to analyse in a non-biased manner. Furthermore, to conduct even a basic analysis one needs a denominator and that needs to be implied. They solved this apparent problem, not through some sort of careful hypothesis, but by using the rate for The Netherlands, the outlier, highest reporting country in Europe. And that’s it. No control for bias. This study doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny at all.
SOQ
Just picking up on what you said about Eudravigilence there alick- yes it is voluntary submissions but right now, just like US VAERS, it is all we have got. Because of the scale of the vaccination program, it may take years to verify all such reports, which is time we do not have.
But I do agree that Eudravigilence is very difficult to navigate and even harder to extract any decent data out of it, as half the categorisations are not available. One can only conclude that this is deliberate because such categorisations must be there- it would be in the basic database schema design of such a system.
What is coming out of the UK injury system is absolutely shocking and apart from percentage vaccinated, there is no reason to assume such injury figures are not replicated right across Europe- and beyond. If that is the case then never in our lifetimes have we seen such scale of vaccine injuries, and it will be a wait and see game as to if such are permanent- the fatalities certainly are.
alickdouglas
I’ve not looked at it in huge depth, but i thought they used the MedDRA preferred term list. It’s designed for ensuring that randomized controlled trials are as comparable as possible, so it’s somewhat meaningful for passive data, although not ideal. Assuming that’s the case, there should be information about the categorisation here: https://www.meddra.org/how-to-use/basics/hierarchy.
It’s unclear to me how the categotisation is done; when I reported my own AEs following Pfizer, it was freetext, so that means there must be a transformation done at some point to categories. I assume that there is some room full of poor sods somewhere that transform the freetext into MedDRA SOCs.
I’m not convinced it is shocking by the way, What are you comparing it with? (I’m not being funny, it’s a genuine question).
SOQ
Well the fatalities compared to other vaccines for a start and that is only what has been registered- and as for injuries- what other vaccine do we have that has causes such a wide range of injuries in such a short period of time?
In a way, I think that individuals reporting their own symptoms is preferable btw, because it doesn’t take a medic to figure out that if you have a set of post vax symptoms that you never had before- its probably from the injection.
And, medical people, including doctors who have been administering these things, especially those who have been championing them, will be reluctant to admit they are wrong- or even complicit in the general lack of consent.
A case in point is that of the women’s mensural cycle issues where the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaegologists have stated the unusual patterns could have occurred by chance- BY CHANCE? 4000 reports in the UK alone and counting- but carry on regardless is it? Even at the risk of sterility?
alickdouglas
But SOQ, you are assuming cause and effect, that can only be done with large numbers based on analysis of the data-set. The ‘injuries’ reported to the VAERS or equivalent systems are not necessarily related to vaccination, they are reported by (or on behalf of) people who have been ‘injured’ following vaccination. To give you one real example that happened to me early in my career. I was informed that we had a subject in the emergency department and that a repord would be faxed over. The safety physician had me waiting by the fax machine for the report, as it happened 2 days after a jab of an investigational product. The hospitalising event was because the subject had been hit on the foot by a coconut. Under the rules of clinical trials, we recorded and reported the event, but I think you’ll agree, it’s not a vaccine-related event. This is an extreme example, but it is a good case to learn from in relation to follow up on post-vaccination events. What’s the cause of the event, is it the vaccine or not? When an 88 year old is vaccinated, and they die the next day, how do you know whether or not it was the vaccine? This is why the manner in which the analysis of the VAERS (or equivalent) database needs such attention. It is really only meaningful if a rate can be derived, and that needs a group to compare with, ideally a non-vaccinated group. BBC say 80% of people in the UK have been vaccinated. That means that, in the case of death, 80% of adult deaths in the UK can validly be reported into the database. This is why I keep banging on about the denominator.
I’m not trying to say the vaccine safety profile is necessarily good, but I don’t currently see a way in which the database can be interrogated in a helpful manner. The ‘best’ analyses at the moment have a tendency to come from the big health insurers, like Kaiser Permanente in the US or the Israeli system, sorry the name eludes me; that’s because they can track vaccinees vs. non-vaccinees and analyse one group vs. another.
SOQ
I was informed that we had a subject in the emergency department and that a repord would be faxed over.
You claim to be a medical scientist- not a medical practitioner.
alickdouglas
SOQ, I don’t believe I’ve ever ‘claimed’ to be anything on broadsheet, although I believe I have declared that I’m not qualified to prescribe drugs as that was relevant to a question asked by Millie. Personally I take the claims of anyone on broadsheet with more than a pinch of salt, but that’s part of the fun.
SOQ
So you are an Irish GP is it? A bit like Marcus De Brun but in the opposite direction?
Cian
@SOQ
Who are you? What is your name, occupation, PPSN, BIC, and date of birth?
Why are you asking so many of us personal questions?
f_lawless
Way too much ad hominem in that comment. You shouldn’t need to indulge in it to make your case.
eg. “is littered with anti scientific nonsense, and authored by someone who writes novels and is an admitted vaccine sceptic.”
I checked that claim and found that the person in question doesn’t write novels. He’s a biologist and an author of various non-fiction, science-based books focusing on health ecology. I tried an internet search with his name and the word “vaccines”. The only thing that came up for me was his criticism of the current Covid-19 vaccines and their development process, which is something else entirely from “an admitted vaccine sceptic”.
“is littered with anti scientific nonsense”
-sounds very hyperbolic.I tried translating the reference in google for myself and didn’t get that impression. Can you give examples of the “nonsense” as you see it? Having said that I see the piece was published back in July 2020 and I would have expected the authors of the new paper in to have used an alternative, more appropriate reference.
___________ ” I decided to check the authors of the paper in MDPI: a professor of alternative medicine, a physicist and a data scientist ‘who sees patterns where others don’t’. Hmm. Not very promising”
Again, trying to hard to belittle the authors And aren’t you resorting to an outright lie too (” professor of alternative medicine”)?
Here’s a copy and paste of their bios from MDPI. Seem credible enough, if one were to take their bios at face value, no?
” Dr. Rainer Klement, Leopoldina Hospital Schweinfurt, Department of Radiation Oncology
– a medical physicist with ample experience in data analysis and statistics. He is based at the Radiation Oncology Department of Leopoldina Hospital in Schweinfurt, Germany. He is active in medical modeling and evaluating the effect of ketogenic diets in oncology patients.”
Dr. Harald Walach -professor at Poznan University of the Medical Sciences in Poznan, Pediatric Hospital, Poland and a visiting professor at Witten/Herdecke University’s Department of Psychology. He is a health researcher with approximately 200 peer-reviewed papers to his name and broad expertise in various methods of clinical, experimental, and secondary research.
Wouter Aukema
Independent Data and Pattern Scientist, Brinkenbergweg 1, 7351 BD Hoenderloo, The Netherlands
(from his own personal website:
– has over 30 years of experience in processing data and analysing behaviour of organisations and systems for governments and corporations world-wide and develops analysis solutions for Fortune 100 companies. His publication at Defcon (20 years ago) caused headlines world wide. Wouter sees data and patterns where others don’t.)
Cian
The problem with that assumption, as I see it, is that there isn’t a consensus among the top level experts in the scientific community. that this is the best outcome for society
There *is* consensus among the top level experts in the scientific community. Even if we agree that your list of people are actually ‘top level experts’, a small number of people having a different opinion doesn’t stop the majority having a consensus. Consensus doesn’t require unanimity.
We don’t know the full risk-benefit of the vaccines. The risks are unknown, but so are the benefits. We don’t know the long-term effects of either vaccines or long-Covid. The ratio may change over time, but the more we let COVID spread the more variants we will have to contend with; there is additional risk with waiting.
SOQ
The risks are definitely unknown and are emerging in real time- let’s hope most are now identified, but I doubt it. That what happens when corners are cut on something like this- and bypassing most animal trails was definitely cutting corners.
The benefits should be known but are receding. Remember the efficacy rates touted and bellowed by the media? Who actually believes those now? Also the benefits change depending on the health profile and age of the recipient. Injecting a healthy child or a teen has no real benefits as even the level of reduction in SARS-Cov-2 infectiousness has yet to be quantified.
Cian
1. What animal trials were bypassed?
2. The current recommendation in Ireland is over 18s, so your last point is moot.
SOQ
Saying something was tested on animals is not the same thing as saying it was properly tested on animals. If those trails were conducted in the order they should have been, it would not have been possible for them to be completed within the time frame. The results are not a pass or fail- they are complicated and require study to be interpreted by experts, which in itself take time- before next stage.
And, there is even written evidence from virologists with the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases that trails on mice were even started on the same day as on humans. SARS-Cov-2 does not infect mice and special ones had to be grown- the devil is in the detail as they say.
As for the risk benefit ratio- it doesn’t flip at age of 18- there is very little difference between someone of 18 and 28- it is a gradient scale from 0 to 100 but be certain that if other countries start injecting children, it will happen here too.
Cian
So you are now saying that all animal tests *have* been completed. So they weren’t “bypassed”.
What is the problem then?
This is yet another example of you twisting the truth (lying) to make it look bad.
GiggidyGoo
The detail in SOQs posts trump yours Cian. Look at the type of post you revert to.
Cian
@GiggidyGoo
SOQ made an extraordinary claim, so the onus is on him to support that claim. So far he hasn’t done anything but water down his original claim. No evidence at all.
GiggidyGoo
“Saying something was tested on animals is not the same thing as saying it was properly tested on animals.”
“Properly tested” the relevant phrase.
December 2020, what did Varadkar say?. He said the last group for vaccinations “includes under-18s and pregnant women because the risk of those groups of people becoming sick or dying from coronavirus is “very low”. Pregnant women, by the way, are being vaccinated at the moment.
SOQs last point isn’t moot.
Cian
SOQ originally said: “That what happens when corners are cut on something like this- and bypassing most animal trails was definitely cutting corners. “
He hasn’t provided evidence of this. But has changed his story to “Saying something was tested on animals is not the same thing as saying it was properly tested on animals. “ which is odd, because he has moved from ‘animal tests were bypassed’ to ‘something something not properly tested’. But he doesn’t actually say they weren’t properly tested.
He goes on to say “If those trails were conducted in the order they should have been, it would not have been possible for them to be completed within the time frame. The results are not a pass or fail- they are complicated and require study to be interpreted by experts, which in itself take time- before next stage.” which may be true, but doesn’t mean that the animal testing was either “bypassed” or “not done properly”. The tests were done, were done fully (also, unusually, done in *parallel* with some of the human testing. This is how they got them so quickly. Not cutting corners, running different parts in parallel.
Then we got: “And, there is even written evidence from virologists with the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases that trails on mice were even started on the same day as on humans. SARS-Cov-2 does not infect mice and special ones had to be grown- the devil is in the detail as they say.”. What is the relevance? It is like he either doesn’t understand the reason for animal testing (or does but wants to twist the narrative. When we do testing on animals it isn’t to see if the drug *works* (because all that proves is that it works on mice!), it is to look for adverse affects. We give various mice different doses and then see if any of these had a negative effect on them. We’re not doing animal testing just to see if we can prevent Covid in mice.
And now the bar bills are coming in,question is can Teneo pay the price,Deco already has he’s gone from whispering in CEO’s ears to a big hot drunken mess.
‘Following a series of discussions, General Motors has decided to no longer engage with Teneo,” GM spokesman David Barnas told the Free Press on Friday afternoon.
The Detroit automaker signed a contract with the Teneo firm within the past two months for an estimated $250,000-per-month retainer‘
And “Teneo” emblazoned across Tipperary GAA jerseys.
Johnny
He no longer controls the firm,the majority is owned by the company at who’s charity event his public intoxication fueled by his narcissistic and quite nasty personality finally bit him,they may not be there much longer,he most certainly won’t be.
BOD just can’t catch a ball in retirement,the coach he defended until the guards had him in handcuffs is in jail and now this….
Friday eve,nice blunt cup tea, some good tunes and OH MY ….
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence submitted to Congress a preliminary report regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) that relays the progress the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force has made in understanding UAP.
Two out of three of those links have extra %3f characters after the .html url end Rosette of Sirius, which means they are not loading.
Rosette of Sirius
Stupid links. I’ll post them later
GiggidyGoo
Sky, BBC etc. have many many years to build their viewership. Doubtful a new outlet would outdo them in a month or so.
Daisy Chainsaw
Looks bad when their most famous name buggers off for a holiday after just two weeks on air.
GiggidyGoo
Famous names aren’t necessarily an advantage.
Bitnboxy
GB News are simply going to have to dial up the crazy, if indeed that is possible given its nascent wingnuttery. Indifference is how I would characterise the current response but the space they seek to occupy is choc-full. Febrile brexit-brained nincompoops are two-a-penny these days. Neil needs to go full Tucker Carlson.
So this came to light because documents were uploaded to a virus checking service called VirusTotal’? That wasn’t very bright now was it? Such websites keep a copy of all documents uploaded, which can then be indexed and searched like any other. All they had to do was save them to a sandboxed PC and run Sophos over them, and nobody would have been any the wiser.
But what it does prove is that documents were definitely stolen before the ransomware attack, which is what was expected. Some are wondering if this is linked to this spate of random mobile calls that people are getting.
But as they are spoofing real numbers to call, I think it is time the telecoms companies got their act together and blocked such. It may not be technically illegal but it is certainly unethical, and I doubt if many customers would object to the spoofing function being banned.
GiggidyGoo
Yes, the blocking of the numbers, or blacklisting them, penalizes the people who own those numbers. They’re not makes uppy numbers, but hijacked ones.
VirusTotal owned by google?
SOQ
From what I can gather, they are real numbers which are being spoofed so blocking them would mean the owners cannot use them any more. Its not that difficult to spoof a number so the facility needs to be removed, rather than blocking the numbers.
Cian
I don’t see any reason to think the spoof phone calls are related the the HSE hack.
They don’t seem to be targeted in any way and are totally context free e.g the say “your pps has been compromised” rather than “your pps, 1234567A, has been compromised”
E'Matty
The breach smells of BS and aligned with the current Vishing phone calls you can see that very soon the integrity of PPS numbers will be called into question. Cue the calls for new Digital identities for everyone, the objective behind it all. The herd are being led along with ease at this stage.
goldenbrown
anyone else out there finding coverage of this Matt Hancock thing very uncomfortable, pukeworthy?
whatever your politics or creed this man is being assassinated, live for your entertainment
also very interesting how nobody seems to be asking (or care) where the surveillance footage came from
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
+ quite frankly I couldn’t give a monkey’s poop about who he’s doing as long as it’s a consenting adult, the rest is between his wife, his mistress and him.
Hyper real
How French of you Janet!
Verbatim
Aptronym comes to mind and if a little compassion couldn’t be given?
As Karl Jung wrote “sometimes quite grotesque coincidence between a man’s name and his peculiarities”.
Cian
How broad is the wording in the revenge porn legislation? Does it cover kissing?
Revenge porn – as it is now commonly known – involves the distribution of private and personal explicit images or video footage of an individual without their consent, with the intention of causing them embarrassment and distress.
consider first that there are two possible origins here, each with very separate lines of enquiry to follow:
A) it was generated by and stolen from a mandated cctv
B) it was not cctv
SOQ
This is the clown who was dictating when singles could have sex again- meanwhile he was laying pipe like a council worker?
He has lost all credibility now- and hopefully the media will hound him out.
SOQ
Joke flying around on WhatsApp-
After Matt Hancok is accused of having an affair, lying to everyone and being ‘f*cking hopeless’- bookies have made him odds-on favourite for next PM.
Cian
“laying pipe like a council worker”
What does that mean? Slowly, infrequently, and needs to be constantly supervised by his boss?
Bitnboxy
I’m with SOQ. Hancock was categorical that no riding or hook-ups should take place when he finally got serious about the pandemic. He also was strident in his view that Prof Ferguson should have been prosecuted for failure to adhere to the Covid rules. So this almighty Hancock-up, in more ways than one, smacks of outrageous hypocrisy.
Although Hancock’s boss Bojo is no stranger to laying pipe left right and centre (once when his wife – I think 2nd – was undergoing cancer treatment).
What an horrific case. I find the verdict and subsequent ruling on her sentence very interesting, just in terms of legal precedent (not that my understanding of such things is excellent or anything).
Bitnboxy
Read this earlier. Jaw-dropping on so many levels. It is strange that there is not some concept of diminished responsibility allowable here. This woman endured horrendous physical, sexual and emotional abuse from this man for three decades at least – how could she or anyone possibly remain mentally sound over this period? That she could only save herself by shooting her abuser is not only an indictment on the systems that failed her but the utter desperation of her situation. In any event, most victims are the ones more likely to end up dead in these horrific situations.
millie bobby brownie
I’m wondering, because if it were me – and my daughter – I’d have absolutely murdered him in cold blood. It’s funny what kind of abuse we will accept for ourselves and yet when our children are under threat what we will do to protect them. So I’m wondering if the court (by dismissing insanity/mental instability as a cause) is acknowledging that this woman killed in cold blood but the mitigating factor is the three decades of abuse which preceded it. Because, while finding her guilty (which does create it’s own difficulties for her) they only sentenced her to four years, with three suspended and time already served, leaving her free to leave.
And if that is the case, I think that’s a very interesting legal precedent. I’m unaware if such a precedent already exists in French law but I’d be interested to know if there is.
Peter Dempsey
What baffles me – lots of people attending the Maternity Hospital today are strong repeal campaigners. So unlikely to ever need a maternity hospital and its services.
millie bobby brownie
Hello. Repeal campaigner here, proud mother to two beautiful children. Just thought I should point out how incredibly simplistic and foolish your assumption is.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
Peter ladies bits aren’t JUST for making babies and lots of other things can and do happen to them, I’d say on a ratio to 2:10, 2 being pleasant and 10 being a ridiculously high maintenance and often painful, rather badly designed piece of anatomy. A maternity hospital would be more aptly named a gyno hospital.
Bitnboxy
What baffles me Peter is your own baffling Manichean view.
Let me keep it simple for you. Religion, as proven by the 8th amendment, does not serve the interests of pregnant women or the practice of obstetrics and gynaecology very well. In fact, it downright endangers women and proper obstetric practice.
+10000 to Millie and Janet above.
A Lovely Horst
Unreal.
Youre trying too hard to get accepted by Janet and Millie.
You have no qualms about bringing in a comment every so often about the pregnant daughter of a person here to try get the upper hand in debates. Neither are you slow in directly calling another person here a pedophile.
Your pretend spats with your alter ego, Unreal are fooling nobody.
Bitnboxy
You are crazy!
Lol..
Also, rent free etc. etc.
:-p
Can a Da?
How many alter egos do you have pal?
Todd Unction
I’d just like to take this opportunity to wish a speedy recovery to Charger, Vanessa and Frilly etc.
I hope she’s okay and I mean that, sincerely.
“It’s all being covered up,” seems to be a popular phrase du jour.
f_lawless
I sometimes wonder if some people’s brains must be hardwired in such a way that they just can’t distinguish very well between honest, balanced journalism and propaganda no matter how cliched and obvious it gets. All the usual smears are there in that Guardian piece: “far right” “Qanon” “baseless conspiracy theories”, “some praised David Icke” “anti-vaxxer activity” etc.
A statement is taken from the Orwellian sounding “Centre for Countering Digital Hate” which monitors “global anti-vaccine groups” assuring the reader the rate of growth from UK “misinformation super spreaders” remains small. Again with the labels.
Another statement is provided from “Tech against Terrorism” an initiative supported by a “UN counter-terrorism executive directorate”. They predict “the momentum of anti-lockdown demonstrators is likely to fade”. Why it’s appropriate for a counter-terrorism group to be monitoring anti-lockdown demonstrators in the first place, is never explained in the article.
Here’s a video of the masses of far right, Qanon, conspiraloon, ratlickers ordinary people walking through the centre of London today. So many smiling faces. https://youtu.be/s91yGDAkws8?t=7839 (the 2.10 minute mark)
Nigel
‘I sometimes wonder if some people’s brains must be hardwired in such a way that they just can’t distinguish very well between honest, balanced journalism and propaganda no matter how cliched and obvious it gets’
Also: They can’t be far-right, Qanon, conspiraloon, ratlickers – they’re smiling with their faces!
f_lawless
So scary the times we live in – when the person standing next to you in the street just might be a far-right, Qanon, conspiraloon, ratlicker. How can we ever feel safe again?! We’ve all heard the slogan “Act like you’ve got the virus” maybe we should start a new one: “A ct like they’re a far-right, conspiraloon, anti-vaxxer” :p
Looks like party central in this section of the video stream. Fair play to those people out enjoying themselves https://youtu.be/s91yGDAkws8?t=8468 (2 hour 21 min mark)
Nigel
Q: How do you know if someone is a far-right, Qanon, conspiraloon, ratlicker?
A: Don’t worry they’ll tell you.
f_lawless
No. These are the blanket labels certain people such as yourself are fond of brandishing to try to demean others who hold certain viewpoints you don’t agree with
I thought you were supposed to be someone who espouses inclusivity and tolerance of others in society? Seems to be a bit of inconsistency there, no?
Hyper real
You’re right f_lawless and Nigel
Some of those people are ratlickers
And all of the Nigel’s of the world are intolerable
Micko
I see on bbc.com there IS coverage of the protest today on the front page..
But only if you view the site from the UK.
If you’re looking from Ireland (and elsewhere I assume) there’s nothing. Not a dickey bird.
BBC are putting their best face forward for the rest of the world eh?
I’m confused.com.
Ireland’s re-opening on July 5th is likely to be postponed because of the “worrying situation” in the UK.
The same UK that has told people they can go to Ibiza on holidays, okayed 140,000 spectators at the Formula 1 GP at Silverstone and 60,000 at the Euros final.
So far we’ve managed a dreary concert in Iveleigh Gardens with people stood in social distanced groups staring daggers at anyone coming near them without wearing the full Hazmat gear.
Can someone fill in the blank spaces for me ?
+1 Frankie
IMO it’s the same reason they won’t roll out antigen testing.
Too much money to be made.
Millions every month being spent on this madness.
Here TD Michael McNamara asking the taoiseach the same question.
https://youtu.be/J4AvHVqXlYQ
There’s a few right wingers out marching in London today.
Bunch of fascists monsters eh? ;-)
https://youtu.be/_hzYVmHi278
I’m sure it’ll be on the news later
“The child is not invisible and without rights in the eyes of the law.”
Unfortunately, with the Irish people removing the constitutional protection for the unborn child’s right to life in May 2018, that’s simply not true.
But this couple are not calling for the macabre 8th to be reinstated.
What befell this poor couple as reported elsewhere was a rather elementary failure to wait before the final chromosomal test before making the decision. They have even sought a meeting with the Minister to make sure that this test must be carried out before any termination decision can be made. They are calling for the results of Chorionic Villus karotyping analysis in all cases where genetic conditions are suspected in the presence of a normal scan before any decision to terminate can be made. This happens in every other jurisdiction as part of FFA tests.
Fatal fetal conditions exist whether you like it or not and at times not every woman is emotionally capable of going full term (which can also result in serious complications in some instances). We are certainly not going back to a situation where these women slink off to the UK for FFA testing (correctly done) and termination (if she chooses) with the fetal remains posted back adding to the distress. You might be happy with such hypocrisy – I am not. Needless to say, the 8th left its own carcasses – of those very poor and desperate women. That was the price we paid. Do you want me to list the names of these women Newsjustin?
Hard abortion bans do not save lives. The 8th did not save lives. Far bloody from it.
“But this couple are not calling for the macabre 8th to be reinstated.”
I know.
“Hard abortion bans do not save lives. The 8th did not save lives. Far bloody from it.”
If the 8th Amendment had been retained, there’s no question, this child would be alive.
Hard cases make bad laws.
Hard cases do not mandate the reintroduction of a constitutional amendment proven to have fettered doctors and obstetricians in the performance of their duties and led to the deaths of poor, vulnerable and desperate women. You studiously avoid any acknowledgement of this. Shall I list the names of those who might be alive today were it not for the 8th? Eh?
If the 8th were retained, more hard cases would have fallen foul of it.
Religion and medicine do not mix.
He doesn’t care about the Mother, it just her tough, as someone who has been told another pregnancy would kill her I find it pretty offensive.
Janet, you keep telling yourself I don’t care about mothers. It’s a total figment of your imagination that allows you not to deal with the facts before you.
Look, I know the constitutional protection for the right to life of the unborn isn’t going to return anytime soon. But its important, just as the pitfalls of having the 8th were pointed out, that the obvious pitfalls of removing it are pointed out.
And yet you never address their legitimate needs or consider them a priority. Look it’s an old argument you and I have over and over, have a good weekend news.
@Janet +1
Speaking of refusing to acknowledge the needs of women: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/three-who-stopped-the-cancer-tests-25960150.html One of these cuddly folks is now a Roman bishop.
that actually makes me furious
I agree Janet.
I generally find newsjustin a decent commenter, in that we can thrash out something respectfully and in fact share a good deal of common views, but I found in 2018 and find it to be the case now, that he fails to either understand or acknowledge a woman’s right to bodily autonomy and her right to life over that of an unborn child/foetus (not getting into that argument again), and that the concerns of women (i.e. the ones carrying the baby, the ones dealing with the pain and fear that comes with FFA, rape, or an unwanted pregnancy) hold very little water with him, when compared with the idea of an unborn child/foetus being aborted.
I do understand that it is a moral and ethical issue for him, but I’m not sure that he realises that it is for us women too.
News, you go to sleep at night with your beliefs, but just know, you and your kind are dying off, and your beliefs will go into the grave with you, where they belong. Maybe then we’ll progress.
I think everyone’s beliefs go to the grave with them Papi.
Some deserve to stay there too. Sooner the better.
may they sink into the earth Papi
How many women and girls would be dead?
How many dead women and girls would be an acceptable balance to the tragic loss (and exploitation) of one child?
Ah, shur once Jesus is happy the auld wimmin can burn in hell. They will anyway.
I blame Eve
So does newsjustin.
@Newsjustin You’re putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.
2 + 2 = 6,666
Reading this suddenly made me think of something.
The COVID restrictions on travel would have made it terribly difficult, or impossible, for women to travel to the UK for abortions.
This made me realise how lucky many people are that the 8th was repealed and abortions are available in the state.
Thanks blueshirts
Yes, thankfully a global pandemic with millions of humans dying was not able to prevent other humans dying.
That’s a ridiculous stance to take. It’s insulting to your own intelligence.
There’s a reason the 8th amendment was repealed, a reason the referendum had such a decided result. Just because its morally repugnant to you, that doesn’t negate the need for safe and legal abortion in this country, and the majority of the voting public knows this.
As said many times before.
The 8th didn’t stop irish women having abortions.
It just forced them to travel for the abortion (or to get pills online and take them without medical oversight).
You’re factually correct there Cian. There’s no doubt about that.
Just as there’s no doubt that the couple’s child – Christopher – would be alive if the constitutional protection of his right to life had still been in place.
It’s a pity for Christopher that it wasn’t.
And Savita would likely be alive had she received a termination when she requested. The 8th had a chilling effect on that obstetrician (or as the final report said “one cannot discount the spectre of the 8th amendment in her care”) as she decided that she could not lawfully terminate as long as a 12 week foetal heart beat was still there albeit weakening. She also knew the foetus was failing rapidly but when she did act it was all just too late, compounded by the other horrific failures in Savita’s care. The 8th meant that the obstetrician, by her own evidence, was fettered in what she could do and more importantly when she could do it.
The difference was that the 8th was wrongly used as a reason not to intervene to save the life of Savita.
Whereas the absence of the 8th is the very reason why Christopher lost his life.
You make my point for me Newsjustin – the chilling effect of the 8th meant that the obstetrician really didn’t know what she could do legally. As Michael McDowell pointed out in relation to the pregnant women kept artificially alive, the 8th offered no set legal guidance and always resulted in doctors running to lawyers at the expense of the patient. Grotesque.
@Newsjustin How can you say that for sure? If the same tests were done before Repeal and the same incorrect result given, how do you know the couple would have just stayed in Ireland, resigned to their fate, and not done the Irish thing of having their abortion outsourced to the UK?
Daisy, the very unfortunate thing about this case is that the couple, egged on by their doctors, jumped the gun and were encouraged to abort their child before a final, more accurate diagnostic test.
In the event that the 8th still existed, a) the doctors wouldn’t have been encouraging an abortion for a child with a suspected fetal abnormality and b) if they had gone to the UK, they’d have got the results of the tests.
But since there was no longer any protection for the right to life of Christopher, the doctors did what No campaigners said they would do in cases with a suspected fetal abnormality – they encouraged the couple to have an abortion.
Removing the 8th cost Christopher his chance at life.
Encouraged? You mean offered a choice to the parents who took it. This choice was ALWAYS given to people in their position, the difference in this case was that it wasn’t hypocritically exported like other TFMR cases.
You never answered how many dead women and girls would be an acceptable balance to the tragic loss (and exploitation) of one child? I wonder why?
tis god’s will if you die from childbirth or probably a lack of faith that leads to post natal dépression, sure isn’t every child a gift well unless they are not legit or something along those lines I’d imagine….
You’re talking nonsense Janet. Just stick to the facts.
well maybe answer Daisy’s question and I’d have less to read into :)
your silence when asked about the Mother’s health is deafening
Man who believes in sky fairy insists on facts.
Why even bother Janet?
You’re looking for a chink of light with this guy that simply isn’t there!
Daisy’s question is framed around the notion that for the unborn to avoid abortion it must cost the lives of women and girls. Given that abortion has been legal for decades in Ireland, and regularly carried out by doctors, to save the life of mothers, its a stretch.
So my answer is zero. I’ve always supported the treatment of women, even if it, regrettably, results in the death of babies they may be carrying.
thank you for your clarification even though I believe you not to fully understand my point of view or the reality of the situation
@Cian: was going to respond on another thread but decided to post here instead
You say “The best outcome for society as a whole is for everyone to get vaccinated (and to do so as quickly as possible). ”
The problem with that assumption, as I see it, is that there isn’t a consensus among the top level experts in the scientific community. that this is the best outcome for society. In fact there’s a growing number of experts speaking out about the potential dangers of Covid vaccines but are given little to no airtime. It’s readily observable that there currently exists a very oppressive atmosphere when it comes to openly critiquing Covid vaccine programs in the public realm. Those scientists who would go against the grain are liable to have their research funding cut off, to be smeared in the media and blacklisted. It’s easy to see many could be deterred from speaking out in order to protect their careers.
Here’s a few who are raising the alarm, off the top of my head:
Dr Robert Malone (inventor of mRNA vaccine technology)
Dr Mike Yeadon (an ex Pfizer vice president)
Dr Sucharit Bhakti (microbiologist, Germany’s most cited research scientist)
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche (virologist, coordinated the Ebola Vaccine Program on behalf of GAVI)
Aside from that, there’s already so many adverse events that have been recorded at a rate far exceeding any vaccine roll out in history. Vaccine roll outs have been halted for far less.
Days ago a new study was published in the peer-reviewed journal “Vaccines” which came to the grim conclusion that for every three deaths the vaccines prevent, two people die from an adverse reaction, while another four suffer serious side effects.
See here: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm
” For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination.
Conclusions: This lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy”
Let’s look at that publication… It’s in a reasonably decent journal, so initially promising. I was however struck by the first sentence: ‘new regulatory frameworks were put in place that allowed for the expedited review of data and admission of new vaccines without safety data’, and intrigued that it had a citation, so checked it. That particular reference (in German, thanks google translate), is littered with anti scientific nonsense, and authored by someone who writes novels and is an admitted vaccine sceptic. So I decided to check the authors of the paper in MDPI: a professor of alternative medicine, a physicist and a data scientist ‘who sees patterns where others don’t’. Hmm. Not very promising, only one line in… Let’s press on. Their publication is based largely on the Eudravigilence data set, and that’s a bit concerning because it is a notoriously difficult database to analyse. One of the reasons is that it is ‘passive’ surveillance so it relies on those with symptoms (or their health providers) to report spontaneously, so it’s very difficult to analyse in a non-biased manner. Furthermore, to conduct even a basic analysis one needs a denominator and that needs to be implied. They solved this apparent problem, not through some sort of careful hypothesis, but by using the rate for The Netherlands, the outlier, highest reporting country in Europe. And that’s it. No control for bias. This study doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny at all.
Just picking up on what you said about Eudravigilence there alick- yes it is voluntary submissions but right now, just like US VAERS, it is all we have got. Because of the scale of the vaccination program, it may take years to verify all such reports, which is time we do not have.
But I do agree that Eudravigilence is very difficult to navigate and even harder to extract any decent data out of it, as half the categorisations are not available. One can only conclude that this is deliberate because such categorisations must be there- it would be in the basic database schema design of such a system.
What is coming out of the UK injury system is absolutely shocking and apart from percentage vaccinated, there is no reason to assume such injury figures are not replicated right across Europe- and beyond. If that is the case then never in our lifetimes have we seen such scale of vaccine injuries, and it will be a wait and see game as to if such are permanent- the fatalities certainly are.
I’ve not looked at it in huge depth, but i thought they used the MedDRA preferred term list. It’s designed for ensuring that randomized controlled trials are as comparable as possible, so it’s somewhat meaningful for passive data, although not ideal. Assuming that’s the case, there should be information about the categorisation here: https://www.meddra.org/how-to-use/basics/hierarchy.
It’s unclear to me how the categotisation is done; when I reported my own AEs following Pfizer, it was freetext, so that means there must be a transformation done at some point to categories. I assume that there is some room full of poor sods somewhere that transform the freetext into MedDRA SOCs.
I’m not convinced it is shocking by the way, What are you comparing it with? (I’m not being funny, it’s a genuine question).
Well the fatalities compared to other vaccines for a start and that is only what has been registered- and as for injuries- what other vaccine do we have that has causes such a wide range of injuries in such a short period of time?
In a way, I think that individuals reporting their own symptoms is preferable btw, because it doesn’t take a medic to figure out that if you have a set of post vax symptoms that you never had before- its probably from the injection.
And, medical people, including doctors who have been administering these things, especially those who have been championing them, will be reluctant to admit they are wrong- or even complicit in the general lack of consent.
A case in point is that of the women’s mensural cycle issues where the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaegologists have stated the unusual patterns could have occurred by chance- BY CHANCE? 4000 reports in the UK alone and counting- but carry on regardless is it? Even at the risk of sterility?
But SOQ, you are assuming cause and effect, that can only be done with large numbers based on analysis of the data-set. The ‘injuries’ reported to the VAERS or equivalent systems are not necessarily related to vaccination, they are reported by (or on behalf of) people who have been ‘injured’ following vaccination. To give you one real example that happened to me early in my career. I was informed that we had a subject in the emergency department and that a repord would be faxed over. The safety physician had me waiting by the fax machine for the report, as it happened 2 days after a jab of an investigational product. The hospitalising event was because the subject had been hit on the foot by a coconut. Under the rules of clinical trials, we recorded and reported the event, but I think you’ll agree, it’s not a vaccine-related event. This is an extreme example, but it is a good case to learn from in relation to follow up on post-vaccination events. What’s the cause of the event, is it the vaccine or not? When an 88 year old is vaccinated, and they die the next day, how do you know whether or not it was the vaccine? This is why the manner in which the analysis of the VAERS (or equivalent) database needs such attention. It is really only meaningful if a rate can be derived, and that needs a group to compare with, ideally a non-vaccinated group. BBC say 80% of people in the UK have been vaccinated. That means that, in the case of death, 80% of adult deaths in the UK can validly be reported into the database. This is why I keep banging on about the denominator.
I’m not trying to say the vaccine safety profile is necessarily good, but I don’t currently see a way in which the database can be interrogated in a helpful manner. The ‘best’ analyses at the moment have a tendency to come from the big health insurers, like Kaiser Permanente in the US or the Israeli system, sorry the name eludes me; that’s because they can track vaccinees vs. non-vaccinees and analyse one group vs. another.
I was informed that we had a subject in the emergency department and that a repord would be faxed over.
You claim to be a medical scientist- not a medical practitioner.
SOQ, I don’t believe I’ve ever ‘claimed’ to be anything on broadsheet, although I believe I have declared that I’m not qualified to prescribe drugs as that was relevant to a question asked by Millie. Personally I take the claims of anyone on broadsheet with more than a pinch of salt, but that’s part of the fun.
So you are an Irish GP is it? A bit like Marcus De Brun but in the opposite direction?
@SOQ
Who are you? What is your name, occupation, PPSN, BIC, and date of birth?
Why are you asking so many of us personal questions?
Way too much ad hominem in that comment. You shouldn’t need to indulge in it to make your case.
eg. “is littered with anti scientific nonsense, and authored by someone who writes novels and is an admitted vaccine sceptic.”
I checked that claim and found that the person in question doesn’t write novels. He’s a biologist and an author of various non-fiction, science-based books focusing on health ecology. I tried an internet search with his name and the word “vaccines”. The only thing that came up for me was his criticism of the current Covid-19 vaccines and their development process, which is something else entirely from “an admitted vaccine sceptic”.
“is littered with anti scientific nonsense”
-sounds very hyperbolic.I tried translating the reference in google for myself and didn’t get that impression. Can you give examples of the “nonsense” as you see it? Having said that I see the piece was published back in July 2020 and I would have expected the authors of the new paper in to have used an alternative, more appropriate reference.
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” I decided to check the authors of the paper in MDPI: a professor of alternative medicine, a physicist and a data scientist ‘who sees patterns where others don’t’. Hmm. Not very promising”
Again, trying to hard to belittle the authors And aren’t you resorting to an outright lie too (” professor of alternative medicine”)?
Here’s a copy and paste of their bios from MDPI. Seem credible enough, if one were to take their bios at face value, no?
” Dr. Rainer Klement, Leopoldina Hospital Schweinfurt, Department of Radiation Oncology
– a medical physicist with ample experience in data analysis and statistics. He is based at the Radiation Oncology Department of Leopoldina Hospital in Schweinfurt, Germany. He is active in medical modeling and evaluating the effect of ketogenic diets in oncology patients.”
Dr. Harald Walach -professor at Poznan University of the Medical Sciences in Poznan, Pediatric Hospital, Poland and a visiting professor at Witten/Herdecke University’s Department of Psychology. He is a health researcher with approximately 200 peer-reviewed papers to his name and broad expertise in various methods of clinical, experimental, and secondary research.
Wouter Aukema
Independent Data and Pattern Scientist, Brinkenbergweg 1, 7351 BD Hoenderloo, The Netherlands
(from his own personal website:
– has over 30 years of experience in processing data and analysing behaviour of organisations and systems for governments and corporations world-wide and develops analysis solutions for Fortune 100 companies. His publication at Defcon (20 years ago) caused headlines world wide. Wouter sees data and patterns where others don’t.)
The problem with that assumption, as I see it, is that there isn’t a consensus among the top level experts in the scientific community. that this is the best outcome for society
There *is* consensus among the top level experts in the scientific community. Even if we agree that your list of people are actually ‘top level experts’, a small number of people having a different opinion doesn’t stop the majority having a consensus. Consensus doesn’t require unanimity.
We don’t know the full risk-benefit of the vaccines. The risks are unknown, but so are the benefits. We don’t know the long-term effects of either vaccines or long-Covid. The ratio may change over time, but the more we let COVID spread the more variants we will have to contend with; there is additional risk with waiting.
The risks are definitely unknown and are emerging in real time- let’s hope most are now identified, but I doubt it. That what happens when corners are cut on something like this- and bypassing most animal trails was definitely cutting corners.
The benefits should be known but are receding. Remember the efficacy rates touted and bellowed by the media? Who actually believes those now? Also the benefits change depending on the health profile and age of the recipient. Injecting a healthy child or a teen has no real benefits as even the level of reduction in SARS-Cov-2 infectiousness has yet to be quantified.
1. What animal trials were bypassed?
2. The current recommendation in Ireland is over 18s, so your last point is moot.
Saying something was tested on animals is not the same thing as saying it was properly tested on animals. If those trails were conducted in the order they should have been, it would not have been possible for them to be completed within the time frame. The results are not a pass or fail- they are complicated and require study to be interpreted by experts, which in itself take time- before next stage.
And, there is even written evidence from virologists with the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases that trails on mice were even started on the same day as on humans. SARS-Cov-2 does not infect mice and special ones had to be grown- the devil is in the detail as they say.
As for the risk benefit ratio- it doesn’t flip at age of 18- there is very little difference between someone of 18 and 28- it is a gradient scale from 0 to 100 but be certain that if other countries start injecting children, it will happen here too.
So you are now saying that all animal tests *have* been completed. So they weren’t “bypassed”.
What is the problem then?
This is yet another example of you twisting the truth (lying) to make it look bad.
The detail in SOQs posts trump yours Cian. Look at the type of post you revert to.
@GiggidyGoo
SOQ made an extraordinary claim, so the onus is on him to support that claim. So far he hasn’t done anything but water down his original claim. No evidence at all.
“Saying something was tested on animals is not the same thing as saying it was properly tested on animals.”
“Properly tested” the relevant phrase.
December 2020, what did Varadkar say?. He said the last group for vaccinations “includes under-18s and pregnant women because the risk of those groups of people becoming sick or dying from coronavirus is “very low”. Pregnant women, by the way, are being vaccinated at the moment.
SOQs last point isn’t moot.
SOQ originally said: “That what happens when corners are cut on something like this- and bypassing most animal trails was definitely cutting corners. “
He hasn’t provided evidence of this. But has changed his story to “Saying something was tested on animals is not the same thing as saying it was properly tested on animals. “ which is odd, because he has moved from ‘animal tests were bypassed’ to ‘something something not properly tested’. But he doesn’t actually say they weren’t properly tested.
He goes on to say “If those trails were conducted in the order they should have been, it would not have been possible for them to be completed within the time frame. The results are not a pass or fail- they are complicated and require study to be interpreted by experts, which in itself take time- before next stage.” which may be true, but doesn’t mean that the animal testing was either “bypassed” or “not done properly”. The tests were done, were done fully (also, unusually, done in *parallel* with some of the human testing. This is how they got them so quickly. Not cutting corners, running different parts in parallel.
Then we got: “And, there is even written evidence from virologists with the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases that trails on mice were even started on the same day as on humans. SARS-Cov-2 does not infect mice and special ones had to be grown- the devil is in the detail as they say.”. What is the relevance? It is like he either doesn’t understand the reason for animal testing (or does but wants to twist the narrative. When we do testing on animals it isn’t to see if the drug *works* (because all that proves is that it works on mice!), it is to look for adverse affects. We give various mice different doses and then see if any of these had a negative effect on them. We’re not doing animal testing just to see if we can prevent Covid in mice.
SOQ is spouting nonsense.
Doctor/Professor George Lee ‘trending’.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshTanner2020/status/1408530443142586370
And now the bar bills are coming in,question is can Teneo pay the price,Deco already has he’s gone from whispering in CEO’s ears to a big hot drunken mess.
‘Following a series of discussions, General Motors has decided to no longer engage with Teneo,” GM spokesman David Barnas told the Free Press on Friday afternoon.
The Detroit automaker signed a contract with the Teneo firm within the past two months for an estimated $250,000-per-month retainer‘
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2021/06/25/declan-kelly-teneo-gm-mary-barra/5342438001/
And “Teneo” emblazoned across Tipperary GAA jerseys.
He no longer controls the firm,the majority is owned by the company at who’s charity event his public intoxication fueled by his narcissistic and quite nasty personality finally bit him,they may not be there much longer,he most certainly won’t be.
BOD just can’t catch a ball in retirement,the coach he defended until the guards had him in handcuffs is in jail and now this….
Decent on irish arm.
https://www.irishpost.com/business/irish-founded-global-ceo-advisory-firm-teneo-keeps-on-growing-with-new-offering-for-post-pandemic-world-208165
How Michilín counts to ten
1,2,3,4,5,5,4,3,2,1
Friday eve,nice blunt cup tea, some good tunes and OH MY ….
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence submitted to Congress a preliminary report regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) that relays the progress the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force has made in understanding UAP.
Read the report here.
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf
Well this didn’t take long at all…
In order;
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/andrew-neil-gb-news-bbc-sky-rating-b942539.html%3f
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1454677/GB-News-viewing-figures-week-2-ratings-Andrew-Neil-evg
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/andrew-neil-gb-news-break-launch-b942603.html%3f
Two out of three of those links have extra %3f characters after the .html url end Rosette of Sirius, which means they are not loading.
Stupid links. I’ll post them later
Sky, BBC etc. have many many years to build their viewership. Doubtful a new outlet would outdo them in a month or so.
Looks bad when their most famous name buggers off for a holiday after just two weeks on air.
Famous names aren’t necessarily an advantage.
GB News are simply going to have to dial up the crazy, if indeed that is possible given its nascent wingnuttery. Indifference is how I would characterise the current response but the space they seek to occupy is choc-full. Febrile brexit-brained nincompoops are two-a-penny these days. Neil needs to go full Tucker Carlson.
https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-cyber-attack-data-downloaded-high-court-5477678-Jun2021/
Interesting article about the HSE data breach.
So this came to light because documents were uploaded to a virus checking service called VirusTotal’? That wasn’t very bright now was it? Such websites keep a copy of all documents uploaded, which can then be indexed and searched like any other. All they had to do was save them to a sandboxed PC and run Sophos over them, and nobody would have been any the wiser.
But what it does prove is that documents were definitely stolen before the ransomware attack, which is what was expected. Some are wondering if this is linked to this spate of random mobile calls that people are getting.
But as they are spoofing real numbers to call, I think it is time the telecoms companies got their act together and blocked such. It may not be technically illegal but it is certainly unethical, and I doubt if many customers would object to the spoofing function being banned.
Yes, the blocking of the numbers, or blacklisting them, penalizes the people who own those numbers. They’re not makes uppy numbers, but hijacked ones.
VirusTotal owned by google?
From what I can gather, they are real numbers which are being spoofed so blocking them would mean the owners cannot use them any more. Its not that difficult to spoof a number so the facility needs to be removed, rather than blocking the numbers.
I don’t see any reason to think the spoof phone calls are related the the HSE hack.
They don’t seem to be targeted in any way and are totally context free e.g the say “your pps has been compromised” rather than “your pps, 1234567A, has been compromised”
The breach smells of BS and aligned with the current Vishing phone calls you can see that very soon the integrity of PPS numbers will be called into question. Cue the calls for new Digital identities for everyone, the objective behind it all. The herd are being led along with ease at this stage.
anyone else out there finding coverage of this Matt Hancock thing very uncomfortable, pukeworthy?
whatever your politics or creed this man is being assassinated, live for your entertainment
also very interesting how nobody seems to be asking (or care) where the surveillance footage came from
+ quite frankly I couldn’t give a monkey’s poop about who he’s doing as long as it’s a consenting adult, the rest is between his wife, his mistress and him.
How French of you Janet!
Aptronym comes to mind and if a little compassion couldn’t be given?
As Karl Jung wrote “sometimes quite grotesque coincidence between a man’s name and his peculiarities”.
How broad is the wording in the revenge porn legislation? Does it cover kissing?
Revenge porn – as it is now commonly known – involves the distribution of private and personal explicit images or video footage of an individual without their consent, with the intention of causing them embarrassment and distress.
https://www.lawtonslaw.co.uk/resources/what-is-the-revenge-porn-law-in-england/
there is that aspect
but rewind a moment
consider first that there are two possible origins here, each with very separate lines of enquiry to follow:
A) it was generated by and stolen from a mandated cctv
B) it was not cctv
This is the clown who was dictating when singles could have sex again- meanwhile he was laying pipe like a council worker?
He has lost all credibility now- and hopefully the media will hound him out.
Joke flying around on WhatsApp-
After Matt Hancok is accused of having an affair, lying to everyone and being ‘f*cking hopeless’- bookies have made him odds-on favourite for next PM.
“laying pipe like a council worker”
What does that mean? Slowly, infrequently, and needs to be constantly supervised by his boss?
I’m with SOQ. Hancock was categorical that no riding or hook-ups should take place when he finally got serious about the pandemic. He also was strident in his view that Prof Ferguson should have been prosecuted for failure to adhere to the Covid rules. So this almighty Hancock-up, in more ways than one, smacks of outrageous hypocrisy.
Although Hancock’s boss Bojo is no stranger to laying pipe left right and centre (once when his wife – I think 2nd – was undergoing cancer treatment).
Nasty.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/25/woman-who-killed-stepfather-after-years-of-abuse-in-france-found-guilty?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
What an horrific case. I find the verdict and subsequent ruling on her sentence very interesting, just in terms of legal precedent (not that my understanding of such things is excellent or anything).
Read this earlier. Jaw-dropping on so many levels. It is strange that there is not some concept of diminished responsibility allowable here. This woman endured horrendous physical, sexual and emotional abuse from this man for three decades at least – how could she or anyone possibly remain mentally sound over this period? That she could only save herself by shooting her abuser is not only an indictment on the systems that failed her but the utter desperation of her situation. In any event, most victims are the ones more likely to end up dead in these horrific situations.
I’m wondering, because if it were me – and my daughter – I’d have absolutely murdered him in cold blood. It’s funny what kind of abuse we will accept for ourselves and yet when our children are under threat what we will do to protect them. So I’m wondering if the court (by dismissing insanity/mental instability as a cause) is acknowledging that this woman killed in cold blood but the mitigating factor is the three decades of abuse which preceded it. Because, while finding her guilty (which does create it’s own difficulties for her) they only sentenced her to four years, with three suspended and time already served, leaving her free to leave.
And if that is the case, I think that’s a very interesting legal precedent. I’m unaware if such a precedent already exists in French law but I’d be interested to know if there is.
What baffles me – lots of people attending the Maternity Hospital today are strong repeal campaigners. So unlikely to ever need a maternity hospital and its services.
Hello. Repeal campaigner here, proud mother to two beautiful children. Just thought I should point out how incredibly simplistic and foolish your assumption is.
Peter ladies bits aren’t JUST for making babies and lots of other things can and do happen to them, I’d say on a ratio to 2:10, 2 being pleasant and 10 being a ridiculously high maintenance and often painful, rather badly designed piece of anatomy. A maternity hospital would be more aptly named a gyno hospital.
What baffles me Peter is your own baffling Manichean view.
Let me keep it simple for you. Religion, as proven by the 8th amendment, does not serve the interests of pregnant women or the practice of obstetrics and gynaecology very well. In fact, it downright endangers women and proper obstetric practice.
+10000 to Millie and Janet above.
Unreal.
Youre trying too hard to get accepted by Janet and Millie.
You have no qualms about bringing in a comment every so often about the pregnant daughter of a person here to try get the upper hand in debates. Neither are you slow in directly calling another person here a pedophile.
Your pretend spats with your alter ego, Unreal are fooling nobody.
You are crazy!
Lol..
Also, rent free etc. etc.
:-p
How many alter egos do you have pal?
I’d just like to take this opportunity to wish a speedy recovery to Charger, Vanessa and Frilly etc.
I hope she’s okay and I mean that, sincerely.
Give us a wave Vanessa
I miss you.
They’re the same person?!
I should never have become a priest..
I’m brutal.
Has Hand in Cock resigned? Convenient.
Fun with numbers:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/26/vaccine-hesitancy-wanes-despite-thousands-joining-freedom-march
“It’s all being covered up,” seems to be a popular phrase du jour.
I sometimes wonder if some people’s brains must be hardwired in such a way that they just can’t distinguish very well between honest, balanced journalism and propaganda no matter how cliched and obvious it gets. All the usual smears are there in that Guardian piece: “far right” “Qanon” “baseless conspiracy theories”, “some praised David Icke” “anti-vaxxer activity” etc.
A statement is taken from the Orwellian sounding “Centre for Countering Digital Hate” which monitors “global anti-vaccine groups” assuring the reader the rate of growth from UK “misinformation super spreaders” remains small. Again with the labels.
Another statement is provided from “Tech against Terrorism” an initiative supported by a “UN counter-terrorism executive directorate”. They predict “the momentum of anti-lockdown demonstrators is likely to fade”. Why it’s appropriate for a counter-terrorism group to be monitoring anti-lockdown demonstrators in the first place, is never explained in the article.
Here’s a video of the masses of
far right, Qanon, conspiraloon, ratlickersordinary people walking through the centre of London today. So many smiling faces.https://youtu.be/s91yGDAkws8?t=7839 (the 2.10 minute mark)
‘I sometimes wonder if some people’s brains must be hardwired in such a way that they just can’t distinguish very well between honest, balanced journalism and propaganda no matter how cliched and obvious it gets’
Also: They can’t be far-right, Qanon, conspiraloon, ratlickers – they’re smiling with their faces!
So scary the times we live in – when the person standing next to you in the street just might be a far-right, Qanon, conspiraloon, ratlicker. How can we ever feel safe again?! We’ve all heard the slogan “Act like you’ve got the virus” maybe we should start a new one: “A ct like they’re a far-right, conspiraloon, anti-vaxxer” :p
Looks like party central in this section of the video stream. Fair play to those people out enjoying themselves
https://youtu.be/s91yGDAkws8?t=8468 (2 hour 21 min mark)
Q: How do you know if someone is a far-right, Qanon, conspiraloon, ratlicker?
A: Don’t worry they’ll tell you.
No. These are the blanket labels certain people such as yourself are fond of brandishing to try to demean others who hold certain viewpoints you don’t agree with
I thought you were supposed to be someone who espouses inclusivity and tolerance of others in society? Seems to be a bit of inconsistency there, no?
You’re right f_lawless and Nigel
Some of those people are ratlickers
And all of the Nigel’s of the world are intolerable
I see on bbc.com there IS coverage of the protest today on the front page..
But only if you view the site from the UK.
If you’re looking from Ireland (and elsewhere I assume) there’s nothing. Not a dickey bird.
BBC are putting their best face forward for the rest of the world eh?
https://www.bbc.com/
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/nhs-test-and-trace-lost-covid-tests_uk_60d48f44e4b0c101fc857eeb/?__twitter_impression=true
500 million covid tests missing.
Yikes. That’s a lot.
Nearly 10 tests for every man, woman and child in th UK
But yep, it’s definitely still about suppressing a virus. :-)