I don’t ever recall him whining for sympathy from strangers on an internet forum because his eldest son couldn’t stand him …
Bertie blenkinsop
Sometimes, a post like yours stops me in my tracks and makes me think, “what would possess someone to post something as nasty as that?”.
Beggars belief.
scottser
that’s because kinsale kid is charger ‘in disguise’.
he hasn’t gone away you know..
Papi
Charger!! Hate filled as ever, old chap?
Good, good.
Rosette of Sirius
Just curious, anyone know what was it that finally forced ‘the powers that be’ to sent him to Coventry?!
Tho it’s now a game of whack-a-mole, it’s hilariously obvious when he pops up every so often. New name, same bile.
I’m struggling to come up with any recent scenario where the Americans & British leave a place better than they found it pre-invasion…Saigon optics indeed
Junkface
$20 BN or so well spent! Jesus, they spent all of that money, and soldiers lives only to leave Afghanistan to a stronger than ever Taliban. The power and brutality of extremist religion should never be under estimated in that region. What a total Clustertootle!
ian-oG
They’ll go back in.
The US knows that they will always need some live theatre of operations to keep their soldiers sharp. But public opinion is against this these days so they had to make the big show of pulling out.
So expect a big terrorist action soon to justify this in the publics eyes. Having said that, I’ll lose no sleep over the Taliban being killed but I will mourn the inevitable loss of innocent lives that this will bring. Again.
As for the extremism, we can thank those lovely Saudi’s for that. Watching Anthony Bourdain on Netflix, very interesting watching the episodes on both Libya just after Gaddaffi fell and Tangiers in Morocco. Saudi Arabia has radicalised Islam and exported their Wahabbist version all over the world but of course, their oil.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
those that make a big show of pulling out are rarely doing it at the right time
andrew
Causes around 20-30 per cent of pregnancies, I understand,
Tom J
It depends on drunk you are.
ian-oG
@Janet – yep and all those people who worked with the US forces will now be targeted by the Taliban who are not known for their kindness and humanity. Even those who supplied foodstuffs or acted as interpreters for the most benign of reasons.
:(
Nigel
Of course they will. Getting out is the worst thing they’ve done since going in, and I expect going back in will be nicely profitable for some people, if not the people of Afghanistan. That’s why so much of modern warfare is long, drawn-out, inconclusive and endless.
Junkface
I really hope they don’t go back in, but yes you’re right on all of the meddling that Saudi Arabia has done pushing Islam into extremism since the early 70’s. That’s what they spent millions from oil profits on at that time, Wahibism literature, helping destabilize the whole region. To think that in the 60’s in Cairo women could wear mini-skirts and show their hair, now they could get killed for that. Also all other religions from Christianity to Judaism have been almost wiped out in all Islamic countries of that region. Either by lynchings, mass murder or forced exodus. Wahibism made Islam the most intolerant religion in the world hands down.
Nigel
It was the US and the CIA who thought those hard-line Islamists would make handy freedom fighters to push back against more liberal regimes that happened to be unfriendly to the US and allies.
Junkface
Yes, this was even covered in the movie Charlie Wilson’s War. They trained Osama Bin Laden to fight the USSR in Afghanistan. What’s your point?
Islam was radicalized by Saudi Wahibism first in the entire region. Primarily leading to mass lynchings/ pogroms of Jews from all Islamic countries in the middle east. A fact conveniently forgotten by all the pro Palestine Irish groups. Then Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan followed suit and also pushed out minority Christians during the 1970’s.
Nigel
Oh, they were doing it before that, and all over. If I remember correctly, the Suads were a small bunch of nasty hard-line desert tribesmen the US and UK singled out for money and arms to take over and be their puppets, and they pulled the same trick with other Middle Eastern regimes. Most of the Cold War was the CIA pre-emptively undermining democracies and liberal regimes based on inflated estimates of the threat of USSR doing the same, even though the USSR didn’t have the resources or the interest in that kind of expansion, but responded to the actions of the CIA with their own. It’s profoundly depressing how many of the world’s current Worst Places are the direct result of the CIA defending democracy.
…what have you done with Nigel…suggesting that the goodies would be involved in sordid regime changes and even arming the baddies…
Nigel
I’m not responsible for your wrong idea of me, blisted.
E'Matty
It should remembered that the House of Saud was installed by the British Empire, connections that remain to this day. British intelligence were also instrumental in the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. The more radical elements in the region were often nurtured to counter rising arab nationalism, a later variant being Israeli support for the creation of Hamas (I know?!) to act as a counter to Fatah and the PLO. The CIA created Al Qaeda to use as a proxy force to undermine the Soviets in Afghanistan. Their “great spectacular” 911 enabled the Anglo-American led alliance to rampage across the geostrategically significant resource rich Middle East and North Africa (or MENA). By the time they had thrown Afghanistan and Iraq into total chaos, and reached Libya, they were already back in open cahoots with Al Qaeda and other extremist Sunni groups, who later formed their vanguard in Syria as part of that regime change attempt. ISIS emerged from a mix of former Baathist officers and Al Qaeda in Iraq who had been hothoused in US prison camps in Iraq, before being unleashed on Iraq and then Syria. The House of Saud was the prime financial sponsor of ISIS, though the flow of weapons, equipment and other support from the western alliance has been evidenced numerous times, most famously the numerous hi-lux jeeps provided through the State Department which resulted in a US carpenter (I think) watching the news one evening and seeing his previously owned hi-lux zip by on a Syrian highway with an ISIS flag aloft!
Pre 911, the US were already in talks with the Taliban to run a pipeline through Afghanistan (The Trans Afghanistan Pipeline and Central Asia Pipeline). A delegation of Taliban officals, sheperded by Unocal Execs (Union Oil Company of California and Unocal Corporation) in 1999 made an all expenses paid visit to the US, whilst Unocal negotiated a $1.9 billion pipieline deal. They even took time to visit Mt Rushmore. The talks broke down in August 2001. The CIA drafted (as opposed to Pentagon) plans for the invasion of Afghanistan were on GW’s desk the morning of Sep 12, 2001. The US installed former Unocal exec Hamid Karzai as President of Afghanistan post invasion.
Another interesting aspect is that the Taliban had largely stamped out opium production in the country by Sep 2001. Post invasion, Afghanistan returned to opium production and became by far the world’s largest producer, making up almost 90% of global production. Who was running the operation? None other than Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of Hamid, installed President of Afghanistan. In 2009 a report in the New York Times revealed that Ahemd Karzai had been on the CIA payroll for the previous eight years. Ahmed was eventually killed by one of his bodyguards in 2011.
E'Matty
Probably should start shortening my comments. Jaysus…
Junkface
Did you watch the entire Adam Curtis collection too? Haha! I think Bitter Lake covered it all so well, but the other 2 or 3 docs as well. Such a complex Hornets nest of events and power shifts.
E'Matty
@Junkface – Bitter Lake and the Century of the Self are excellent though I found Hypernormalisation to be extremely propagandistic. Curtis engaging in some classic demonisation of the enemies of the West, at one point almost attempting to blame Assad snr for effectively creating all modern Islamic terrorism, which was quite “amusing”. Century of the Self is the one I would recommend everybody watch as it goes through Bernays and the development of the concepts of propaganda in modern times, which became Public Relations, and how it uses his uncle Freud’s psychology theories on the masses.
“If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
— Edward Bernays
Junkface
Agreed E’Matty, I really got the most out of Century of the Self docs. Fascinating how the whole culture changed in the mid 20th century. Bernays was a Mega lo Maniac!
E'Matty
He sure was, but not alone in that sphere unfortunately.
jungleman
It’s the military-industrial complex. Nothing to do with fixing anything.
scottser
if the chinese have taught us anything it’s that the money they spent on troops and weapons would be better spent buying the bloody place.
Janet, dreams of an alternate universe
and failing that ….well
scottser
free smartphones to the taliban, make them pay for everything by revolut..
ian-oG
Una Stubbs…. :(
I loved Worzel Gummidge as a kid. She was also great in Sherlock.
ce
Party stooge Pat Kenny of the main stream media propaganda machine taking about ivermectin… it’s almost like we have relatively free media… but we all know we don’t have relatively free media…
ce
Side effect include coma… wow, it’s almost like most medicines have side effects…
For pregnant women: Ivermectin is a category C pregnancy drug. That means two things:
Research in animals has shown adverse effects to the fetus when the mother takes the drug.
There haven’t been enough studies done in humans to be certain how the drug might affect the fetus.
Talk to your doctor if you’re pregnant or planning to become pregnant. This drug should only be used if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk.
If you become pregnant while taking this drug, call your doctor right away.
For women who are breastfeeding: Ivermectin passes into breast milk and may cause side effects in a child who is breastfed. Talk to your doctor if you breastfeed your child. You may need to decide whether to stop breastfeeding or stop taking this medication.
For seniors: Your liver may not work as well as it used to. This can cause your body to process drugs more slowly. As a result, more of this drug can stay in your body for a longer time. This raises your risk of side effects.
For children: It hasn’t been established if this drug is safe and effective in children who weigh less than 33 pounds (15 kg).”
ce
Vaccines are not a silver bullet – nothing is a silver bullet – we’ll have to do many things to get out of this mess
Masks, quarantine, vaccines, and treatments … anything else in magical thinking ….
ian-oG
A sliver bullet is a silver bullet.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ce
okay… technically you’re correct… smart far….but the question is… have you ever seen a silver bullet, maybe they are just a conspiracy to put the fear of werewolves into us!
andrew
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. Nobody ever said vaccines would solve this. In fact, it was explicitly said by Boris Johnson (euggh) that vaccines would do a lot to help but would not be the total solution. It’s being said, and I agree, that vaccines give us around 55% of the solution, but that does depend on high uptake. Beyond vaccines, we need all the things we have been urged to do – masks, hand washing, social distancing and just some common sense: I was on a too-crowded train this morning (maybe half full but I think that’s too much right now). There was a fellow coughing – a textbook Covid cough. I was really pleased to see another passenger say, “Mate, you need to move down the carriage away from this group of people and open the windows around you”. And this guy complied. Ideally he should have stayed at home or at least not taken public transport. But this is how we need to behave for the next while – maybe another year. It’s a nuisance, yes, but IMO it is a small price to pay so that we can all resume normal behaviour.
Be aware of what’s happening around you and adjust your behaviour or position if necessary, wear a mask when in public spaces indoors, santitise your hands before eating etcetera, steer clear of anyone coughing etcetera. Really these are little things.
Chris
You were never promised a return to ‘normal’ – it’s the ‘new normal’ remember? Or is you’re mind so frazzled from the lies and propaganda that you no longer see truth from fiction, if indeed you ever did.
A life of crime and a kingpin in the Irish criminal underworld.. and you end up in Fuengirola.. the Joy will seem high class in comparison.
You’ve convicted him before he even gets a trial.
Ah bless
The Express
You’d miss charger all the same
Like athletes foot.
I don’t ever recall him whining for sympathy from strangers on an internet forum because his eldest son couldn’t stand him …
Sometimes, a post like yours stops me in my tracks and makes me think, “what would possess someone to post something as nasty as that?”.
Beggars belief.
that’s because kinsale kid is charger ‘in disguise’.
he hasn’t gone away you know..
Charger!! Hate filled as ever, old chap?
Good, good.
Just curious, anyone know what was it that finally forced ‘the powers that be’ to sent him to Coventry?!
Tho it’s now a game of whack-a-mole, it’s hilariously obvious when he pops up every so often. New name, same bile.
well said Bertie, just pure ugly
“What a talent!
Una is dead”
Bit of a strange tone there
THE ONLY WAY IS UP
BRITAIN’S ECONOMY
SPEEDS
AHEAD
Is what I was swinging at
Bless (◔‿◔)
Last week, the Brit papers were festooned with GB athletes and flags. This story is on some front pages but not quite as prominently.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/12/british-olympic-silver-medallist-chijindu-ujah-suspended-for-doping-violation
I’m struggling to come up with any recent scenario where the Americans & British leave a place better than they found it pre-invasion…Saigon optics indeed
$20 BN or so well spent! Jesus, they spent all of that money, and soldiers lives only to leave Afghanistan to a stronger than ever Taliban. The power and brutality of extremist religion should never be under estimated in that region. What a total Clustertootle!
They’ll go back in.
The US knows that they will always need some live theatre of operations to keep their soldiers sharp. But public opinion is against this these days so they had to make the big show of pulling out.
So expect a big terrorist action soon to justify this in the publics eyes. Having said that, I’ll lose no sleep over the Taliban being killed but I will mourn the inevitable loss of innocent lives that this will bring. Again.
As for the extremism, we can thank those lovely Saudi’s for that. Watching Anthony Bourdain on Netflix, very interesting watching the episodes on both Libya just after Gaddaffi fell and Tangiers in Morocco. Saudi Arabia has radicalised Islam and exported their Wahabbist version all over the world but of course, their oil.
those that make a big show of pulling out are rarely doing it at the right time
Causes around 20-30 per cent of pregnancies, I understand,
It depends on drunk you are.
@Janet – yep and all those people who worked with the US forces will now be targeted by the Taliban who are not known for their kindness and humanity. Even those who supplied foodstuffs or acted as interpreters for the most benign of reasons.
:(
Of course they will. Getting out is the worst thing they’ve done since going in, and I expect going back in will be nicely profitable for some people, if not the people of Afghanistan. That’s why so much of modern warfare is long, drawn-out, inconclusive and endless.
I really hope they don’t go back in, but yes you’re right on all of the meddling that Saudi Arabia has done pushing Islam into extremism since the early 70’s. That’s what they spent millions from oil profits on at that time, Wahibism literature, helping destabilize the whole region. To think that in the 60’s in Cairo women could wear mini-skirts and show their hair, now they could get killed for that. Also all other religions from Christianity to Judaism have been almost wiped out in all Islamic countries of that region. Either by lynchings, mass murder or forced exodus. Wahibism made Islam the most intolerant religion in the world hands down.
It was the US and the CIA who thought those hard-line Islamists would make handy freedom fighters to push back against more liberal regimes that happened to be unfriendly to the US and allies.
Yes, this was even covered in the movie Charlie Wilson’s War. They trained Osama Bin Laden to fight the USSR in Afghanistan. What’s your point?
Islam was radicalized by Saudi Wahibism first in the entire region. Primarily leading to mass lynchings/ pogroms of Jews from all Islamic countries in the middle east. A fact conveniently forgotten by all the pro Palestine Irish groups. Then Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan followed suit and also pushed out minority Christians during the 1970’s.
Oh, they were doing it before that, and all over. If I remember correctly, the Suads were a small bunch of nasty hard-line desert tribesmen the US and UK singled out for money and arms to take over and be their puppets, and they pulled the same trick with other Middle Eastern regimes. Most of the Cold War was the CIA pre-emptively undermining democracies and liberal regimes based on inflated estimates of the threat of USSR doing the same, even though the USSR didn’t have the resources or the interest in that kind of expansion, but responded to the actions of the CIA with their own. It’s profoundly depressing how many of the world’s current Worst Places are the direct result of the CIA defending democracy.
…what have you done with Nigel…suggesting that the goodies would be involved in sordid regime changes and even arming the baddies…
I’m not responsible for your wrong idea of me, blisted.
It should remembered that the House of Saud was installed by the British Empire, connections that remain to this day. British intelligence were also instrumental in the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. The more radical elements in the region were often nurtured to counter rising arab nationalism, a later variant being Israeli support for the creation of Hamas (I know?!) to act as a counter to Fatah and the PLO. The CIA created Al Qaeda to use as a proxy force to undermine the Soviets in Afghanistan. Their “great spectacular” 911 enabled the Anglo-American led alliance to rampage across the geostrategically significant resource rich Middle East and North Africa (or MENA). By the time they had thrown Afghanistan and Iraq into total chaos, and reached Libya, they were already back in open cahoots with Al Qaeda and other extremist Sunni groups, who later formed their vanguard in Syria as part of that regime change attempt. ISIS emerged from a mix of former Baathist officers and Al Qaeda in Iraq who had been hothoused in US prison camps in Iraq, before being unleashed on Iraq and then Syria. The House of Saud was the prime financial sponsor of ISIS, though the flow of weapons, equipment and other support from the western alliance has been evidenced numerous times, most famously the numerous hi-lux jeeps provided through the State Department which resulted in a US carpenter (I think) watching the news one evening and seeing his previously owned hi-lux zip by on a Syrian highway with an ISIS flag aloft!
Pre 911, the US were already in talks with the Taliban to run a pipeline through Afghanistan (The Trans Afghanistan Pipeline and Central Asia Pipeline). A delegation of Taliban officals, sheperded by Unocal Execs (Union Oil Company of California and Unocal Corporation) in 1999 made an all expenses paid visit to the US, whilst Unocal negotiated a $1.9 billion pipieline deal. They even took time to visit Mt Rushmore. The talks broke down in August 2001. The CIA drafted (as opposed to Pentagon) plans for the invasion of Afghanistan were on GW’s desk the morning of Sep 12, 2001. The US installed former Unocal exec Hamid Karzai as President of Afghanistan post invasion.
Another interesting aspect is that the Taliban had largely stamped out opium production in the country by Sep 2001. Post invasion, Afghanistan returned to opium production and became by far the world’s largest producer, making up almost 90% of global production. Who was running the operation? None other than Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of Hamid, installed President of Afghanistan. In 2009 a report in the New York Times revealed that Ahemd Karzai had been on the CIA payroll for the previous eight years. Ahmed was eventually killed by one of his bodyguards in 2011.
Probably should start shortening my comments. Jaysus…
Did you watch the entire Adam Curtis collection too? Haha! I think Bitter Lake covered it all so well, but the other 2 or 3 docs as well. Such a complex Hornets nest of events and power shifts.
@Junkface – Bitter Lake and the Century of the Self are excellent though I found Hypernormalisation to be extremely propagandistic. Curtis engaging in some classic demonisation of the enemies of the West, at one point almost attempting to blame Assad snr for effectively creating all modern Islamic terrorism, which was quite “amusing”. Century of the Self is the one I would recommend everybody watch as it goes through Bernays and the development of the concepts of propaganda in modern times, which became Public Relations, and how it uses his uncle Freud’s psychology theories on the masses.
“If we understand the mechanisms and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing it In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
— Edward Bernays
Agreed E’Matty, I really got the most out of Century of the Self docs. Fascinating how the whole culture changed in the mid 20th century. Bernays was a Mega lo Maniac!
He sure was, but not alone in that sphere unfortunately.
It’s the military-industrial complex. Nothing to do with fixing anything.
if the chinese have taught us anything it’s that the money they spent on troops and weapons would be better spent buying the bloody place.
and failing that ….well
free smartphones to the taliban, make them pay for everything by revolut..
Una Stubbs…. :(
I loved Worzel Gummidge as a kid. She was also great in Sherlock.
Party stooge Pat Kenny of the main stream media propaganda machine taking about ivermectin… it’s almost like we have relatively free media… but we all know we don’t have relatively free media…
Side effect include coma… wow, it’s almost like most medicines have side effects…
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/ivermectin-oral-tablet#side-effects
… also “Warnings for other groups
For pregnant women: Ivermectin is a category C pregnancy drug. That means two things:
Research in animals has shown adverse effects to the fetus when the mother takes the drug.
There haven’t been enough studies done in humans to be certain how the drug might affect the fetus.
Talk to your doctor if you’re pregnant or planning to become pregnant. This drug should only be used if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk.
If you become pregnant while taking this drug, call your doctor right away.
For women who are breastfeeding: Ivermectin passes into breast milk and may cause side effects in a child who is breastfed. Talk to your doctor if you breastfeed your child. You may need to decide whether to stop breastfeeding or stop taking this medication.
For seniors: Your liver may not work as well as it used to. This can cause your body to process drugs more slowly. As a result, more of this drug can stay in your body for a longer time. This raises your risk of side effects.
For children: It hasn’t been established if this drug is safe and effective in children who weigh less than 33 pounds (15 kg).”
Vaccines are not a silver bullet – nothing is a silver bullet – we’ll have to do many things to get out of this mess
Masks, quarantine, vaccines, and treatments … anything else in magical thinking ….
A sliver bullet is a silver bullet.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
okay… technically you’re correct… smart far….but the question is… have you ever seen a silver bullet, maybe they are just a conspiracy to put the fear of werewolves into us!
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. Nobody ever said vaccines would solve this. In fact, it was explicitly said by Boris Johnson (euggh) that vaccines would do a lot to help but would not be the total solution. It’s being said, and I agree, that vaccines give us around 55% of the solution, but that does depend on high uptake. Beyond vaccines, we need all the things we have been urged to do – masks, hand washing, social distancing and just some common sense: I was on a too-crowded train this morning (maybe half full but I think that’s too much right now). There was a fellow coughing – a textbook Covid cough. I was really pleased to see another passenger say, “Mate, you need to move down the carriage away from this group of people and open the windows around you”. And this guy complied. Ideally he should have stayed at home or at least not taken public transport. But this is how we need to behave for the next while – maybe another year. It’s a nuisance, yes, but IMO it is a small price to pay so that we can all resume normal behaviour.
Be aware of what’s happening around you and adjust your behaviour or position if necessary, wear a mask when in public spaces indoors, santitise your hands before eating etcetera, steer clear of anyone coughing etcetera. Really these are little things.
You were never promised a return to ‘normal’ – it’s the ‘new normal’ remember? Or is you’re mind so frazzled from the lies and propaganda that you no longer see truth from fiction, if indeed you ever did.