.@NickFerrariLBC: "Is it transphobic to say only women can have a cervix?" @DavidLammy: "I am not sure it's transphobic but it's not accurate." pic.twitter.com/pnuUllbsaL
— LBC (@LBC) September 29, 2021
This afternoon.
Earlier…
A Labour frontbencher has criticised the BBC for focusing on “identity issues” and effectively stoking a row over trans rights in the party.
In an interview on Wednesday morning shadow justice secretary David Lammy said Today programme presenter Nick Robinson was “deliberately asking me about an issue that you know does not come up on the doorstep.”
BBC stoking row over trans rights, Labour frontbencher David Lammy says (Independent.co.uk)
Meanwhile…
Andrew Marr (left) and UK Party Leader Kier Starmer on last Sunday’s The Andrew Marr Show on BBC 1
This afternoon.
Via Pink News:
Labour MP Emily Thornberry has expertly demonstrated how the question “do only women have a cervix” should be answered without feeding into a toxic debate.
The reductive question has become the centre of political discussion since Labour leader Keir Starmer said it’s “not right” to say only women have a cervix during an interview with Andrew Marr.
That question was put to him in relation to a tweet posted by Labour MP Rosie Duffield in August 2020, where she claimed only women have cervixes. Following Starmer’s interview, health secretary Sajid Javid wrongly suggested that Duffield’s initial statement was a “scientific fact”.
Instead of discussing any of the real issues facing trans, non-binary and intersex people – such as the ongoing healthcare crisis – journalists have instead rushed to add fuel to the fire.
The debate was raised during an interview with Emily Thornberry on Politics Live – and she responded in the best possible way.
Thornberry told the hosts that claiming only women have a cervix is “factually inaccurate”, adding: “There are men who have cervixes – there are men who are trans and they’re men. It’s just factually wrong.”
BBC
Meanwhile…
This nonsense needs to be stopped. I challenge Minister O Gorman to find me any women or adoptees directly affected by the scandal of the Mother And Baby Homes, that find the words “Birth Mother” offensive or not inclusive in any way! https://t.co/N1TaLU1S8g
— Niall Boylan (@Niall_Boylan) September 29, 2021
You should be asked what are your chromosomes.
Are you
XY
or
XX
Solve all this silly nonsense.
Christ it’s the Chromosome Cops.
Lose de hahhitude and answer de question! FWHAT IS YER CHROMOSOMES?!!11
:-D
Clampers aka Itchy McSratchy in 5,4,3,2…
Cretinous culture war crap consuming the very wrong kind of people on either side of the “debate” devoid of nuance and used for purposes unconnected to the actual subject matter.
If a person thinks this issue is the be and end all and is keen to tell scream their point of view at you or via on online forum, just give them a wide berth.
Of all the things to be worried about this isn’t one of them. But there will be frothing twits who will try their best to convince you otherwise.
It’s design is sinister. It’s more about the dissolution of objective reality than individual rights.
I couldn’t give a toss about this issue save to say that a lot of those directly impacted are usually vulnerable and marginalised people and an easy target for whipping up a mob. Tbh I think this is being used and abused for nefarious ends. I just tune out.
I hear you, I know someone that is mortified that their identity is being used as a political battering ram. Grim stuff.
The mob that whips up hysteria the most are the trans activists. They are insane. Self IDing as a woman to walk into womens spaces is insane and dangerous. Of course sexual predators will take advantage of that. Use your common sense.
Also, there are tonnes of real transwomen who actually had body dysmorphia that are completely against this intolerant trans activist movement. If you don’t agree with them 100% they call you a TERF. Yeah, real good way to win hearts and minds. Jesus.
I’m sorry, who is trying to whip something up in this story?
‘Self IDing as a woman to walk into womens spaces is insane and dangerous.’
I’m sorry who is being hysterical and intolerant?
Popcorn anybody?
depends, is it gender neutral popcorn
It’s parentcorn, actually.
Tassel or pistillate? Anyways, Popcorn, perhaps the most gender fluid of internet flame war snacks…
snap crackle and pop corn… something for everybody…
Also – petrol shortages, energy companies collapsing, food shortages, hgv driver shortages, Gregs and mcdonalds shortages….. hey Kier could you define what a woman is…
But… you’re all missing the point, will no one ask the popcorn how it identifies..?
I’m guessing genetically modified
Yesterday morning when the ladies caught me spying on their changing room, red-faced, I corrected their initial assumption and informed them that we all have erections.
well we do
Mr Lammy is, of course, correct, but another correct answer would be “I’m not sure if it’s transphobic but it’s blatantly obvious your reasons for bringing it up are.’
Also, woman who have had total hysterectomies might find the proposition a bitt iffy.
Project Veritas and Trans Wars, eh. Bodger? Not reactionary at all.
2 + 2 = 5 eh? You know, if someone wanted to find out the truth of a situation & didn’t want to do their own thinking, I’d recommend they consult your opinion & then assume the opposite. Could be a handy little earner there Nigel, no need to thank me.
Today we’ve had someone’s entire sense of reality shattered by the existence of a television studio set, and now yours is threatened by the existence of trans people.
Don’t lie Nigel. I have no issue with trans people. Bloviating pseuds can get a little tiresome though.
Good for you.
Good God. It’s hard to believe that politicians who want to manage the NHS could be so crazy. Yes only women have a cervix. It’s called biology. There are two sexes, and no, doctors do not assign a sex at birth it is a reality observed. Labour are way down the woke indoctrination hole, so far that they will never get voted back in power.
To think that public representatives are too afraid to state obvious biological reality is absurd, but that’s where wokeism has led us. Women are the real victims. Can’t say women in published papers anymore either. Its chest feeders or bleeders. Christ!
Go read 1984 out loud to yourself if you are not sure.
It’s pretty clear this ‘only women have a cervix’ stuff is being driven by transphobia. Women ARE the real victims here – trans women, and also trans men. There is absolutely no reason for this to be an issue in the way that it is other than because of hostility and hatred of trans people. Wokeism hsn’t lead us to this, transphobia has. It’s amazing that you think the problem here is defending a minority against an astonishing campaign of fear and loathing, and not the campaign itself.
Jesus Nigel, how long before you start drinking the wokie cult cool aid?
You couldn’t be more wrong on all of this.
Can you list all of the victims of this so called danger? I’m assuming they were killed were they?
“Trans women are not women” – Blaire White, a transwoman. She’s got her own youtube channel.
If I’m wrong, you have failed spectacularly to show me the error of my ways, other than by throwing around reactionary buzzwords.
Have you ever looked up the statistics for violence against trans people? If not, since you have such strong opinions on the matter, why not?
Does she speak for the majority of trans peple?
Excuse my ignorance but when a man transitions to a woman, they perform a number of surgeries to achieve the desired result – do any of these surgeries result in a cervix for the individual involved?
Because, if the surgery does not do that, then surely the answer is obvious. It shouldn’t negate the experience of trans women to state that only women have cervixes (at least as far as I can see and empathise) or make transwomen any less because of it, no more than it would for women who have had hysterectomies.
I mean, using this kind of logic you could argue that adopted children shouldn’t call their parents Mam and Dad because only the people who spawned them are the ones entitled to the name – which is just silly and reductive so I can certainly see the other side of the argument too.
Oh, i agree. I would say, though, that regardless of whether transitioning means removing the cervix, and regardless of whether a trans man is pre-op, they should still be adressed as a man. The question was not put in good faith and was basically trolling. It’s a kind of nasty little taunt.
Actually millie a man can now self id as a woman, no surgery required. In fact most don’t bother as most are autogynephiles.
This self id right allows these ‘trans men’ to demand the right to access women’s spaces and they are doing so.
+1 Millie. Were it only the case that such basic nuance could be applied to a complex issue affecting a tiny number of people with risible life expectancies and often a target for physical abuse. I cannot claim to understand the area but I try and show a little respect. I often think this is simply about reactionaries just wanting the power to be godawful to someone’s face. The “debate” gets so crazy – the whole toilet issue – jaysus. Not something that keeps me up at night.
Just for everyone else who wants to know some real biological facts behind the whole trans issue, not Nigel.
Here is an interview with evolutionary biologist Colin Wright, he’s an expert in this field. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncF-ZbfVR2w&ab_channel=Triggernometry
Also there are some very good authors on this subject, especially how kids are being pushed into these transitions from being indoctrinated in schools, mostly in the crazy USA,
There’s Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier, End of Gender by Deborah Soh, and a good explanation of the current post modernist woke movement from US universities and all of its anti-science, evidence free insanity is The Parasitic Mind by Gad Saad, another evolutionary biologist and professor.
All of these people do many video podcasts on youtube or wherever you look for podcasts. They explain things in rational chunks of information so that we can all understand the complexities.
Also you can get daily updates of the madness around trans women self IDing to access womens changing rooms and expose themselves to young girls like in that recent Wi Spa, Los Angeles case. Follow this account:
https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
The trans woman in that case was a registered sex offender who now is being hunted by the FBI. Most left wing papers like the Guardian lied about the story and said it was not true, they have since been debunked.
Here’s some trans women murder statistics that Nigel never provides:
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk
“The limited data we’re working with suggests that in the UK at least, a trans person is less likely to be murdered than the average person. But it’s worth bearing in mind that the recorded number of trans murder victims is so small that it would only take one or two more murder cases every year for the UK “trans murder rate” to double or triple.” – From that Channel 4 news fact check.
Trans activists would have you believe that they are being wiped out in mass murders. Not true.
‘the whole trans issue’
Wow, the whole trans issue, are you sure you’ve got the WHOLE trans issue tied up there? There’s a lot of satanic-panic waffle to justify denying trans people their rights, or access to health care, or to treat them with basic civility and respect, I sure hope they managed to fit it all on YouTube.
Interesting cut-off point (while also restricting the field to ‘murdered’) in your ‘trans are not being mass-murdered’ link
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48756370
‘The number of transgender hate crimes recorded by police forces in England, Scotland and Wales has risen by 81%, latest figures suggest. Data obtained by the BBC showed there were 1,944 crimes across 36 forces in the last financial year compared with 1,073 in 2016-17.’
Wasn’t that spa explicitly trans inclusive? Weren’t the police called by someone not actually at the spa? Didn’t the story draw protests at the spa by the far right and neo-Nazis? Wasn’t the ‘sex offender’ actually a sex worker who had to plea-bargain down to that offence more than ten years ago?
Nigel, you struggle with reality. You provide no evidence, no data, no logical arguments. Even the fact check I posted earlier probably has not moved your woke parasitic brain to change opinions at all. You’re terrible at this. Give up! Open your eyes, wokeism is destroying left wing politics, and as a left wing voter myself, or I try to be, I find it maddening because you spout so much rubbish.
I do not want right wing nut jobs getting voted in to power, but the more insane wokeism gets the more voters are pushed to vote against them. They are trying to indoctrinate toddlers, school kids, and college kids. Parents hate that. Especially people who came from former communist countries.
Oh I forgot to mention Andrew Doyle. He is amazing at debunking woke disinformation, and he is the sole reason I would watch anything regularly on GB news. As he says constantly, ask wokeists or labour party politicians to provide real proof or real data on any of their arguments. They will blank. Its all about feelings with these people, not facts, not science.
Andrew Doyle also wrote the Titania McGrath book “Woke”. Which is truly hilarious satire, that actually dismantles their post modern nonsense as upper middle class drivel, pushed by expensive universities who have bullied each other into assimilation.
If you dislike right wing nut jobs why repeat their arguments, use their language, spread their lies and why, like them, demand that the liberal progressive ideal of treating other people with basic human decency and kindness must be justified with data and figures? Seems like you’re the one doing the job for them.
I betcha 10 yo-yos the Irish Times allows the expat transphobes from SoCoDu free reign in the Letters Page within 48 hours.
‘allows’ people to express an opinion? Whatever next? Transphobes indeed.
Is dithercervix allowed?
+1
Ditherclunge also has a certain ring to it, no?
The Ditherminge was an old, old wooden ship…….
that barely made it to port
may I congratulate you on a great article headline there Bodger!
Good old Nigel, a trans story always gives him an opportunity to enlighten us all on human biology.
He’s such a rich source of disinformation on any woke activist topic. People like Nigel are easily debunked as he provides no evidence, no expert opinions, no statistics on anything, but demands that you do. Clampers had many debates with him on these topics and always provided some real information or actual reporting, that’s what a rational and reasonable person does. Then if Nigel gets in a tizzy he straight out lies about something you said and calls that debating. Total sign of a wokie.
You know you’re losing the argument when you have to start talking about “intersex” people
Funny how the reality-bending Glow-Bull Thought Leaders on here all think in lock-step with the prevailing regime – Glow_bull Warming, Transgender Rights, Vaccines Forever, Child Murder as Healthcare. etc, etc,
But then they specialize in pretending that they are the persecuted dissidents.
Do what you like to yourselves weirdos, but leave the children alone.
I wish this website wouldn’t only publish sensationalist stories (or those designed to trigger demeaning comments) about trans people or trans politics. It’s just more of the bottom of the barrel type of journalism that turns a group of people into a mechanism to drive comments and clicks, while never actually engaging directly with any members of that group directly. It’s so exploitative and insincere.
If anyone is looking for a different sort of perspective about current trans politics (and from an actual trans person, not some middle aged man on the internet) check out Shon Faye’s new book, The Transgender Issue. Interesting tidbit, the title of the book is a play on how the author felt people that were disengaged from trans people but obsessed with trolling about them online would always use that phrase. I see it pops up in @Junkface’s comment *smirks*