This is why the health service is in trouble
Between the years 2000 – 2020 the population of Ireland increased by 31% while during the same timeline the government depleted inpatient bed capacity and staff by 36%
its a double whammy
They’re using Covid-19 to deflect from this pic.twitter.com/CbMWzkNSj0— Paddy McKenna 🇮🇪 (@paddymacc1) November 21, 2021
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A point made many times here.
It’s hardly the government’s fault.
For over a decade now, the unvaccinated have regularly been breaking into hospitals and stealing beds.
LOL, brilliant
+1
Hehehehehe
Excellent! :)
Is that total beds
Public + Private
Cause I’d love to know the movement in private bed capacity
Particularly from Mary Barney’s time
It would be a very useful comparable
In fairness
And btw, that’s not a typo
Mary Barneys Barmy Army
between 2004 and 2011 there was a 2% drop in public beds (13,019 to 12,762) and a 44% increase in private (1,810 to 2,611)
https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/40/4/863/4865968
Why are you always trying to distract/divert eh and picking out a few numbers that suit a distracting argument.
Mercille’s report, which you linked to shows the decimation over a 15 year period.
Public beds (Year 2000) 15111
Public beds (Year 2015) 10473
Vanessa asked about a specific time period; I answered. How is that a distract/diversion?
And I think you are mixing up 2000 with 1980 and only looking at inpatient beds….why ignore day beds?
and if you read through the paper he warns, for the public beds:
Another issue should be noted: in 1980–92, it is the bed capacity that was recorded by the Department of Heath, namely,
the number of physical beds in hospitals; since 1993, the number of available beds has been recorded, namely, beds that are
staffed and ready to be used
My bad. Apologies
no worries!
Cian, in 1981 we had 17,000 hospital beds. Immigrants have been imported since, to the point that they are now 20% of our population, without even adding in increases in the native population.
We have a chart at the top of this showing the Big Picture, why are you bothering your bum with this meaningless statistic? How do you get the brown governmental stains off your tongue, dude? You should be ashamed of yourself, masturbating in public like that.
1. the picture at the top has no source and is quite obviously wrong.
2. where did you get that 17,000 number from?
3. I was answering a specific question the Vanessa asked. I’m not sure if it showed Harney in a good light: a 44% increase in private beds.
^ Government shill at work. Do ya get overtime for posting late or is it all WPM?
where is the alleged shilling?
Its pretty shocking that the number of beds would be cut so drastically while at the same time, for anyone whos awake, the lack of beds has been a hot topic for the last 10 years. If I was wearing my new tinfoil hat I’d almost suggest it’s intentional so as to drive more people to take up private healthcare…but that’s just crackpot stuff.
Looks shocking but surgery for common conditions has improved over those years to the point that an overnight stay is no longer necessary.
This is true, it would have a bearing, still, there are a lot of people lying on trolleys in corridors.
This is true; keyhole surgery have resulted in far fewer bed days for recovery…. but against that the population has increased (and aged)
Listen, FoolsAndHorses, Ireland operates it’s hospital beds at way over 90% capacity, a couple of years ago we had the highest level on the entire planet, we had zero extra capacity, there was nowhere to go & even flu season plunged our Health Services into chaos.
Do you know what happens in a Health Service in chaos?
People die.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/contact/
A retweet from Paddy by Peadar Tóibín
I love the Government spin on private sector beds being used to fight Covid.
They say that they have 1,100 beds currently in the private sector.
However these are 1,100 “bed days” a week.
That actually 157 beds in total.
https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1462115008121393156
What happened in 2007?
9,000 beds removed? Were 10 hospitals closed in 2007?
That looks to me like there was a change in the way beds were counted… either they stopped counting private beds, or some technical way of removing part-time beds (i.e. some wards only operate Monday-Friday)
A paper by Julien Mercille would suggest that that image above is incorrect.
From his paper there were 14,249 beds (public and private) in 2000 to 14,982 in 2015 and no massive drop in 2007.
https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/40/4/863/4865968
As the issue is with the Governments decimating, in this instance, the bed situation, then why are you adding in Private beds into the equation, and still getting the figures wrong anyway?
Mercille’s study throws up the following:
Column ‘N’
Public beds (Year 2000) 15111
Public beds (Year 2015) 10473
From his report:
Irish hospital classification, between 1980 and 2015, inpatient beds dropped from 15 111 to 10 473 in public hospitals but increased from 1518 to 1910 in private hospitals (Differences between the numbers presented here and those in other reports are sometimes due to other reports including non-acute hospitals (e.g., p. 227 in Ref.22)).
(1) There are inpatient beds and day beds, i added them.
(2) the earlier numbers were counts of physical beds; the later number are available staffed beds.
Again. From your link.
Public beds (Year 2000) 15111
Public beds (Year 2015) 10473
Decimation
1980 –
(1) There are inpatient beds and day beds, i included day beds them.
(2) the earlier numbers were counts of physical beds; the later number are available staffed beds.
1980 15,147 (physical beds, not necessarily available beds)
2015 12,476 (available staffed beds)
https://www.broadsheet.ie/contact/
Oh give over, Cian, you talk rubbish at the best of times but trying to make excuses which anyone who’s ever had to go to a hospital in this country knows to be bullcrap of the highest order, is the product of the very worst sort of asslicking government goon.
I think you are mistaken.
1. The unattributed chart at the top of the page is complete tosh.
2. I found a reliable source (and linked to it so you could all look at it).
3. I also showed the counts from the source that matched the start date of the (incorrect) chart, and the most recent date.
I didn’t make any excuses.
Just facts.
My opinion is that the number of hospital beds in Ireland is too low and it should be increased. I don’t like the whole private/public split and would like it to be public only (this would help focus the minds of those in charge that currently rely on private care). I am aware of the range of services that the HSE are providing (hospital care is only about 20% of what they provide). Some HSE services are world class. Some are bloody awful. Some are hit-and-miss (A&E can be either extreme). But that is just my opinion, I don’t have links for these.
You’ve been routed. Give it up. You’re going to have to create a new handle and build ‘trust’ again.
Sooooo. The private service sector must be decimated to save the feeble health service. No sacrifice at all!to those getting paid out of the public purse
As is intended.
Apart from the increase in share in the private sector, I’d say that historically there were a lot of elderly “bed blockers”, whereas there also has been a huge increase in nursing homes since 2000 and (rightly) a push to step-down elderly patients not requiring acute care to these nursing homes, thus allowing a reduction in capacity. I think most people would agree we need more beds though.