“A Small Cog”

at

Bethesda Children’s Hospital in Budapest, Hungary this morning

This afternoon.

Via AFP:

Several European nations started vaccinating children aged five to 11 against Covid-19 on Wednesday in an effort to contain a raging pandemic and keep schools open

Croatia, Germany, Spain, Greece and Hungary were among those opening up their inoculation drives to younger kids, with other nations [including Ireland] still weighing their approach.

“As soon as we offered the vaccine appointments, they were pretty much all snapped up,” said Jakob Maske, a Berlin-based doctor and spokesman for Germany’s association of paediatricians.

But he downplayed expectations. “Five to 11-year-olds only make up around three percent of the German population,” he told AFP, describing the immunisation impact as “a small cog” in the effort.

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73 thoughts on ““A Small Cog””

  1. gallantman

    Old and vulnerable people in the developing world sit unvaccinated while we applaud the ‘virtue’ of rolling out programmes for age groups who have no demonstrable need/benefit from them. However if you raise eyebrow at this you are some sort of nutter.

    Its applauding ourselves for turning up the thermostat at home to keep us all extra snug despite the fact that we’ve been asked to turn it down a notch or two for the benefit of the planet.

  2. AC

    Is vaccination of children a good idea? I have a 5 year old. Blessed that he is young, fit and healthy. I am vaccinated myself. I assume he is at very little risk. I hear that even if vaccinated you can still get covid and you can still pass it on. Now I accept my risk of getting the vaccine but I am extremely anxious of giving it to my child when I do not see any big benefit and I really would like to have long term data when making a decision like this. If a child is vulnerable with underlying illnesses then do get it but explain to me the logic here of giving this to my child. Please no jokes on this. I am concerned. Myocarditis and pericarditis is really my main known concern. Is that a bigger risk then my kid getting covid. I reiterate… he has no illnesses and is flying fit.

    1. Mr.T

      The long term effects, and even short terms side effects are not fully known.

      It took 5 years for the effects of Thalidomide on children to be established.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            No, he wouldn’t know either. The knowledge is with the Pharma companies, and doubtful (based on past history) they would be too honest with the information they disseminate. Doctors don’t know the outcomes.

            From AC, below.

            “I have talked to my doctor. She said there are unknowns and then talked about long covid.”

            So, good luck with your doctor Nigel. He/she obviously knows all.

          3. Cui Bono?

            They should listen to all points of view, all data, all studies, and all arguments.

            That’s how you can make an informed decision.

            You won’t even look at any data, video, book, or scientific study that we share and this is why you’re one of the most uninformed people on Broadsheet.

          4. Nigel

            In their post below, they have shown that they have all the information available and relevant. It hasn’t made the choice easier, but they have it. Barracking them trenchant opinions and hysterical disinformation would be wrong.

          5. Cian

            @Cui Bono?
            You won’t even look at any dataFacebook page, video, bookTikTok, or scientific studyTweet that we share and this is why you’re one of the most uninformed people on Broadsheet.

            FTFY

          6. Cui Bono?

            This is a stupid comment Cian. There’s 1000s and 1000s of doctors and scientists speaking out and sharing valid peer reviewed studies and yet you have the ignorance to brush it off as a silly Facebook or TikTok post. You’re not a critical thinker. All you have is ad hom, strawman or just silly non arguments.

          7. Nigel

            ‘I think you’re the one that lost out in the brightness stakes’

            ‘No! It is you who are the one who is lacking in brightness! Sheeple!’

          8. Chris

            Yeah, all he seems capable of is mockery – he’s aware there’s no weighting to his points. Getting desperate now.

      3. E'Matty

        No, doctors are not experts on vaccines and simply follow whatever the national body on the matter instructs. From a legal perspective, it’s all they can do really. Remember, doctors all over Ireland administered Pandemrix to kids.

    3. Cui Bono?

      Here’s a good risk calculator – https://qcovid.org/

      There’s no long term data on these covid vaccines and the clinical trials end in 2023.

      Doctors can make mistakes and Mass Hysteria is a very real phenomenon.

      2. Cian

        Do you have one for car accidents? Can i plug in numbers and see what the risk is. And if it is less than 0.01% I don’t need to wear a seat belt?

    4. scottser

      my 5 and 7 year old had it and were completely asymptomatic. there is a significant possibility that your little one might have picked it up over the past 20 months without anyone knowing.
      personally, i would hold off. as above, there are far more who need the vaccine than healthy kids.

    5. Nilbert

      Seriously, this is definitely not the right forum for you AC.
      This is a forum for people to squable and bicker

  3. AC

    I have talked to my doctor. She said there are unknowns and then talked about long covid. I responded that my child can still get covid even with the vaccine. She said it would reduce the symptoms but any kid I have heard get it was over it very quickly with very mild symptoms. I am really worried they might try and start treating children like they do adults who do not get the vaccine. I have him fully vaccinated from all other problems but its covid now that I am really unsure about. Would ye guys on this forum vaccinate a healthy 5 year old or would you wait for long term data?

    1. Gavin

      Do you really want to be taking advice from us loons? My sister is in the same boat but she’s going to wait for now. I find it difficult to argue in favor of it as the risk is so low, then again you don’t want to be in that tiny group of people. I don’t envy you it’s a tough decision, all you can do is inform yourself as best you can from as many reputable sources as possible.

    2. GiggidyGoo

      I wouldn’t vaccinate a 5 year old – there’s no shame with Pharma companies, and these vaccines are not fully tested. There is no come-back against the manufacturers against a flawed product, and that’s written into their contract with governments. You have to ask why.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Your posts are obnoxious. The one below had your word replaced with ‘bar stewards’

          You’re actually posting in much the same manner as Charger was posting on peoplesrepublicofcork

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    3. Tom J

      Only you can make that decision.
      Maybe someone who has a child with health conditions has more reason to allow the vaccine.

    4. gallantman

      The JCVI in the UK (their NIAC) said the rewards didn’t outweigh the risks in 12-15 year olds back on 3rd September but that advice seems to have been completely drowned out since. Not sure why.

    5. freewheeling

      It’s a health decision (potentially permanent) for your child. If you make the decision for any other reasons (e.g. because they will treat your child like they’ve been treating unvaxxed adults), then it’s no longer a health decision you are making.

      “any kid I have heard get it was over it very quickly with very mild symptoms.”
      How many kids have you heard about who got the vaccine instead, and what were their symptoms, and how severe?

      Sounds to me like you know you don’t have all the info. to comfortably make the decision yet.

  5. Mise

    Long term data first , I have two children under three and have no intention of letting them get the poke . As you say the data is not in and what we do know is it has little to no effect on children. I will want long term data for sure.

    1. Gavin

      I think that’s a fair valid standpoint, but you’ll get people telling you your unreasonable and a loon.

    2. Gearoid

      Ignore the lot of them.
      It would be like walking into your local Centra and asking a bunch of strangers whether you should vaccinate your child or not which is totally irresponsible.
      You don’t ask a butcher what the funny noise is coming from your car.
      And you don’t go to your local garage for investment advice.
      Do what you would do with any other medical concern and talk to a doctor – what was the advice your own gave you?
      Yes or No?

    3. uh oh

      Do you though? It sounds like your mind is already made up!
      You talked to an expert (your doctor) and it seems they sized you up pretty well as a bit of a fool and humoured you by talking in circles about it. What’s the problem with you people that you can’t see that a global pandemic and it’s extremely adverse effects for millions of people extend beyond the length of your own noses?

          1. uh oh

            See, I wasn’t wrong. You weren’t really all that interested in hearing peoples view if they didn’t chime with your own (already pre-packaged, and mind made up), all you really wanted was your confirmation bias to be affirmed.

      2. Gavin

        Wow again with the aggressive insults, relax will you, its just someone asking a question, no need for it.

        3. uh oh

          Yea sorry I didn’t tell the poster what they wanted to hear.
          My bad.
          You’d get more sense out of the poster’s 5 year old.

    4. E'Matty

      As others have stated, the risks of myocarditis for example are as of yet unknown unknown as the study size was insufficient to detect it. Pfizer will carry out 5 POST approval studies and follow up in 5 years time. Something to consider, especially with a vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission.

      Pfizer – [COMIRNATY (COVID-19 VACCINE, MRNA)] VACCINES AND RELATED BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE BRIEFING DOCUMENT

      Meeting Date: 26 October 2021

      https://www.fda.gov/media/153409/download

      P11

      Overall Risk-Benefit Conclusions

      “The number of participants in the current clinical development program is too small to detect any potential risks of myocarditis associated with vaccination. Long-term safety of COVID-19 vaccine in participants 5 to <12 years of age will be studied in 5 post-authorization safety studies, including a 5-year follow-up study to evaluate long term sequelae of post-vaccination myocarditis/pericarditis."

      Remember, we already know myocarditis risk increased the younger the recipient population so if that trend continues the youngest may be worst hit.

      1. SOQ

        According to Dr. Peter A. McCullough, the type of myocarditis he is encountering is not the same as pre CoVid-19 vaccine rollouts- it is more serious and the damage is for life.

    1. goldenbrown

      I suspect he’s just fed up like mostly everyone else is with the whole sh*tshow (no matter what your viewing angle be)

      the only advice I have to offer to anyone on the subject is just what he said above which is to consult your trusted family GP

      in all of this swirling mess of information, disinformation, political agendas and who knows what I think it’s the only proper compass you actually have at your disposal for decision making….not the chatrooms, RTE, papers, the likes of Mehole/Varadker/Donnelly/Reid/etc.

      keep it simple, talk to your family GP

      3. Chris

        With all due respect to the profession, GP’s haven’t a clue when it come to vaccination & immunology – its a few classes during a semester. The operative instruction is to obey the hierarchy – though the GP’s that dig in after, tend to have a more open minded approach.

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