So- Ukraine has some of the most deadliest pathogens known to man, in unsecure labs, in the middle of a war zone, and all that bothers you is some cliché BS about the far right?
Not the real far right of course- not the Nazis proudly wearing their swastika badges while being funded by the US- no, just spin and “fact checking” by NBC- an outfit which has consistently lied throughout the past two years.
Propaganda broadsheet style- you are not even very good at it.
Fearganainm
Exactly which pathogens does Ukraine have? Name them. Name the places you imagine them to be located. Provide proof that such locations are unsecure.
Now give us details of how many identical labs are located throughout the world and what you want done about them.
Is it your belief that medical research involving pathogens should end?
You know, when you come in here trailing your truncated Putinbot version of the biolabs’ scare story, that you haven’t a clue about what research is being carried out, and for what purpose. You also know that you have zero actual knowledge or evidence of biolabs in Ukraine and that we see you doing nothing more convincing than constantly repeating an unsubstantiated claim that lacks any detail as to what biolabs may be actually for.
Propaganda any style – you’re not even poor at it – you’re transparently hopeless.
Vlad X. Novichok
Some Old Toadie.
Paid provocateur or useful idiot…?
You decide.
FIGHT!
etc.
Me So Harney
“There are over 4,000 registered microbiological laboratories in Ukraine, but only 2 of them have a permit to work with microorganisms of the first pathogenic group, 402 laboratories have a permit to work with the microorganisms of the second pathogenic group, and all others are allowed to work only with microorganisms of the third and forth pathogenic groups. Here it is necessary to note that the classification of pathogenic organisms and therefore classification of the laboratories in Ukraine differs from the international one. It is inverted (i.e., in Ukraine “one” is the highest risk and “four” is the lowest risk) and also has some additional differences.”
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2012. Biosecurity Challenges of the Global Expansion of High-Containment Biological Laboratories: Summary of a Workshop. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/13315.
From 2012, contrarionganainm..
The first pathogenic group are micro organisms related to various viruses, which can lead to infectious diseases, deficiency diseases, hereditary diseases (including both genetic diseases and non-genetic hereditary diseases), and physiological diseases.
Contrarionganainm never not gaslighting..
JDizzle
good old copy and paste there Harney.
Me So Harney
Smashing the contrarions with good ol’ copy and paste..
Lololololololols
Fearganainm
So routine medical research then, You so wormy. In Ukraine some particular pathogens are of special interest because of diseases prevalent in that region.
Similar medical research is conducted in many countries – including Ireland – in many labs all over the world.
Well done you for confirming the nature of the research and showing the Putinbots that their alarmist nonsense is just an amplification of Russian propaganda.
Me So Harney
“routine medical research..”
Lolololololols
Contrarionganainm never not gaslighting..
Vlad X. Novichok
I missed those toady choady lolololols…
Fearganainm
(Although the Politburo may be furious with you for challenging their misinformation, again)
scottser
‘Ukraine has some of the most deadliest pathogens known to man, in unsecure labs, in the middle of a war zone’
well it wouldnt be a jaysus war zone if putin didnt invade ffs.
Me So Harney
Ukraine has always been a warzone unfortunately scottser..
SOQ
Antrax is routine medical research now is it? There are stacks of articles all over the place on this including pictures of Obama standing beside a box of anthrax spores in Kyiv. And that is just one agent, so stop the spinning and cop on.
Tulsi Gabbard is calling it as it is, and fair play to her.
Why wouldn’t it be? Where else do you study things like anthrax if not in a biolab? Trying to spin the presence of pathogens in a biolab, which is a place where pathogens are studied, into some sort of scandal is pro-war propaganda. I also notice that you refer to a picture and stacks of articles, but there isn’t even evidence that anthrax was in any of the biolabs, but anthrax sounds scary.
Fearganainm
Anthrax in a backyard domestic dog in Ukraine: a case report (2014):
“Anthrax has been reported in domestic and wild dogs throughout much of the world. Generally, canids are considered resistant to anthrax, although there are several reports of anthrax deaths in both wild and domestic canid populations. Prior to 2012, anthrax had not been reported in dogs in Ukraine, despite a long history in livestock and wildlife. An outbreak involving at least one cow and one dog was reported from a backyard setting in southern Ukraine in August of 2012. Laboratory results and epizootic data were compiled from official investigation reports of regional and state veterinary services involved in the case response. A single dog died after being fed meat and bones from an illegally slaughtered heifer that died of anthrax 5 days earlier. On the evening of the dog’s death, the dog refused food or water; however, there were no other clinical signs. Laboratory tests of dog tissue included traditional bacteriology for Bacillus anthracis, a small rodent bioassay for virulence, and immunoprecipitation tests (IPT). IPT was positive, viable B. anthracis colonies were cultured, and a bioassay confirmed virulence. This was the first confirmed case of canid anthrax in Ukraine…”
The US really care about rabid dogs in Ukraine, no doubt they’re funding similar labs in Belarus for dealing with these frothing canines fresh from being mutated by Chernobyl, right..??
Wrong
Contrarionganainm never not gaslighting..
Fearganainm
It’s OK, You so wormy, everyone else can see the report and understand why anthrax would, indeed, be something that was researched, and with good reason.
You aren’t the brightest bulb in the pack but you aren’t the dimmest bulb either – you’re just not switched on at all.
Me So Harney
Lololololololols..
This “brightest bulb” just put you back in your box and exposed your gaslighting..
Fearganainm
Only in your demented imagination, You so wormy.
You’re a fact-free zone and it shows.
Me So Harney
From the IRA to rabid dogs in Ukraine, all total and utter nonsense..
Contrarionganainm never not gaslighting..
f_lawless
Trying to make sense of geopolitics through the lens of US Culture War churnalism is a fools errand.
Here’s an interesting story to reflect on for the kind of people who are all to easily swayed by manufactured “far-right”, “neo-Nazi”-type tropes when there’s no real evidence..: Except the spotlight has already moved on, so I guess it’s unlikely.
The first was the absurd allegation that somehow Russians were behind the scenes pulling the convoy’s strings in an effort to destabilize the Canadian government.
A second CBC news story, that was corrected this week, involved allegations made by the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) and by Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland, that the convoy could only have raised all the money it did (nearly $10 million, twice, on two different crowdfunding platforms), as quickly as it did, if powerful international interests were funnelling in large sums…
GoFundMe’s CEO, Juan Benitez, testifying before the Commons public safety committee on March 3, said nearly 90% of the funds collected for the convoy (but never transferred to organizers) came from Canada. Both Canadian and foreign donations were small, for the most part, and personal. Moreover, GoFundMe’s examination of the credit cards used to make donations “found no evidence of involvement by terrorist groups, neo-Nazis or other known criminals.”
Even the government’s own terror-financing investigators could find no sign of illegal money going to the convoy.
The CBC fell for this narrative from PMO and the Liberal caucus because, like the Trudeauites, the government-funded broadcaster wanted to believe it. They were sure that only a criminal gang of foreign-brainwashed bigots could be opposed to vaccine and mask mandates and lockdowns.’
Nigel
Neither of those supposedly withdrawn stories, as described, disprove the far-right nature of the convoy nor the presence of neo-nazi flags. Nice bit of conflation though.
The US culture war lens is relevant since the bioweapon story originate with Qanon accounts. The US right and Putin’s disinformation are openly feeding off each other.
Nigel
And somewhere between the two, a portion of the left is feeding off both.
bisted
…good morning to you too comrade!
Mr. T
ah yes the far-right boogeyman, and one solitary swastika. Nigel cant see the wood for the trees as per usual
Nigel
But the organisers were far right conspiracy theorists and white nationalists. Nazi flags and confederate flags were flown before they remembered they were in Canada and already unpopular.
Micko
“ But the organisers were far right conspiracy theorists and white nationalists.”
But they didn’t just freeze the bank accounts of the organisers did they?
Nigel
Wouldn’t have been a very effective tactic if they had.
Micko
Effective? Not very democratic.
You are free to peacefully protest until we don’t like what you’re saying. Then we’ll label you as far right, neo nazi’s, pedophiles, terrorists (whatever we want) and shut you down.
Very myopic Nigel.
Nigel
Could have been worse, could have gotten the tear gas, batons, rubber bullet and high pressure hose treatment. Instead they were allowed to blockade a major city for two weeks. They were handled with utmost gentleness really.
Pretty sure they were far right white nationalist conspiracy theorists from the start.
SOQ
That Nigel is still trying to flog that dead horse is actually quite funny.
But its not over in Canada yet and there was quite big protests there at the weekend. And to confuse poor Nigel even further was not only the black people in attendance, but also the flying of rainbow flags.
I swear- those black ‘white supremacist’ and gay ‘far right Nazis’ are the worst.
They are all just being misled of course, because from the other side of the world- Nigel knows best.
Nigel
But you’re gay, you’re a reactionary who believes conspiracy theories and pushes pro-war propaganda on behalf of a corrupt autocratic regime. Waving a rainbow flag and having black people present – see eg Candace Owen – is clearly not dispositive of the convoy being a far right white nationalist conspiracy theory event.
SOQ
To demand all gay people think the same is as homophobic as demanding all black people think the same is racist.
YOU are the one insisting that the Canadian trucker movement was far right whatever, citing one false flag image and frig all else.
As for being reactionary- I would guess that anyone who doesn’t adhere to your corporate sponsored version of leftism is a reactionary. Here is a new product for you.
‘To demand all gay people think the same is as homophobic as demanding all black people think the same is racist.’
I’m not demanding you or they think anything. I’m disagreeing with them, quite sharp and profound disagreement. To equate the two is asinine.
‘citing one false flag image and frig all else.’
Alleged ‘false’ flag, but also the confederate flags and the online words of the organisers and supporters and the evolotion of the convoy protests in the US.
‘I would guess that anyone who doesn’t adhere to your corporate sponsored version’
More that it’s anyone who adheres to fundamentalist Christian-sponsored versions.
f_lawless
Nigel: “The US culture war lens is relevant since the bioweapon story originate with Qanon accounts. ”
I can see how you might think that if you’re totally absorbed by it. The reality though that credible voices have been sounding the alarm for years about covert bioweapons programs run by the US military in biolabs in former Soviet countries and other regions.
Bulgarian investigative journalist, Dilyana Gaytandzhieva, from 2019: https://armswatch.com/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/
“The US Army regularly produces deadly viruses, bacteria and toxins in direct violation of the UN Convention on the prohibition of Biological Weapons…
…Bio warfare scientists using diplomatic cover test man-made viruses at Pentagon bio laboratories in 25 countries across the world. These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa
Dr Francis Boyle, the man who drafted the legislation for the US’ Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, has also been trying for years to raise awareness about the US’ covert biowarfare arms race and the reality of what Pentagon-run biolabs in countries such as Ukraine are involved in.
George Webb is another investigative journalist who has apparently been reporting on the subject for the last 5 years, although I’m less familiar with him.
Nigel
‘I can see how you might think that if’
it’s what actually happened.
No credible evidence in the rest of your comment that there were any weapons being made in the relevant biolabs.
The actual article conatins allegations, inferences, conjecture and a lot of extrapolation. There’s also quite a lot of fudging. While I find it easy to believe that the US has secretly outsourced bioweapons research to private companies in unregulated countries, there is no proof that the Ukrainian biolabs were such. Moreover, there is no indication that Russia invaded Ukraine because of the biolabs or that Russia was paying any attention to the biolabs at all before the conspiracy theory blew up online.
Fearganainm
“Dilyana Gaytandzhieva is a Bulgarian journalist who released an investigative material titled “The Pentagon Bio-Weapons” on an English-language portal South Front on January 16, 2018. The portal is administered from Russia and it is registered on Russian domain, which frequently publishes conspiracy theories about military issues and intelligence. The same material in Russian was published by a web portal Новостной Фронт (News Front), which recognizes the independence of Donbass and notes that the purpose of the edition is to defend the interests of Russian civilization.”
“Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian children have become refugees since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24. Their testimonies of the horrors of war are a stunning combination of unfiltered emotion and calm descriptiveness. The children also reflect on politics.”
It’s the anniversary of Marx’s death in 1883 today – I wonder what old Karl would think – it’s funny he’s the kind of fella you can never imagine ever having been young
stephen moran
It seems that not even a spoon full of sugar is available to help the medicine go down in Putinstan
You sound like a pound shop version of Noam Chomsky who has been writing the same book about the evils of American imperialism for 40 years whist telling us that Pol Pot was just misunderstood victim of neo-colonial inspired dependency theory. Putin is the neo colonial imperialist here full stop. Sovereignty is not divisible and he cannot accept that. We’d still under the forceful yoke of a UK occupation if you extend your arguments logically – very the thinking if intellectual pygmies and foghorns of ignorance like like Farage & Bridgen (oh “southern” Ireland will be leaving the EU in about a week)
SOQ
So does that make me left wing again now? The smears and slurs keep changing, so pardon my confusion.
The Russians struck a training base in Ukraine near the polish border on Sunday- 35 dead and 134 injured. The base hosts NATO drills- tell me how Ukraine is a sovereign state again?
It’s called defending your sovereignty by what ever means are at your disposal against an invading aggressor who is refusing your right to exist as an independent country. Were they just meant Putin’s army roll them over (though by the looks of them it looks like they couldn’t roll over an U12 camogie team) to reestablish his phony empire (someone really need to tell him to get over it – the Soviets lost) – anyway he’s bitten off way more than he can chew and now will either become a vassal statelet of China or go home with his short tail between his very short legs after an insurgency bleeds Russia dry – looking forward to the potential default on tomorrow – dust off that CDS ISDA
Nigel
I doesn’t matter who is there, it’s Ukrainian territory, precisely beause they’re a soveriegn state, that’s what being a soveriegn state means, it”s up to them.
Fearganainm
From 2002:
“The UN military training school in the Curragh has been grooming Irish and foreign soldiers for peacekeeping duties since 1993. Berna Cox observed exercises this week in the Glen of Imaal…The United Nations Training School Ireland was established in 1993 and is at the Defence Forces Training Centre at the Curragh, Co Kildare. It prepares Irish troops for overseas missions and also shares its experience and knowledge with civilian and academic establishments. Since its inception, the school has trained 220 international army officers representing 47 countries in the business of peacekeeping. The courses run for international officers are of three weeks duration – two weeks of intensive theory and demonstration followed by a week of practical simulations in the Glen of Imaal in Wicklow.”
Time and time again you demonstrate how utterly clueless you are and how you’re absolutely incapable of undertaking even the most basic research into any question or topic.
bisted
…what was it before the mob stormed the Capital building in Kyiv?
Nigel
Why is an IRA supporter concerned about the democratic nature of a colour revolution?
bisted
…I’ll take a chance and wager that I’m the only person commenting here that has been considered a legitimate target by the IRA…only in recent years did I realise how close I came…
Nigel
‘Legitimate’ is a weird word to use about people who wanted to murder you.
Still I’m glad you dodged that bullet. Good lord.
bisted
…hah…thanks…chilling word but one that was in vogue during the ‘troubles’…
Nigel
Bloody hell, though.
Steph Pinker
I wonder has Micheál Martin – or any government TD – invited any Ukranian people to live with him/ her (and actually means it*) in their various houses of residence around Ireland? He seems to be fond of the flag/ scarf that’s blowing on any given day.
Easy know the logistical nightmare of Garda vetting; medical cards; food and basic living supplies and amenities; school places; physical & mental health support; safe housing and accommodation etc., isn’t a concern for him, his party or FG. He’s nearly as weaselly as Varadkar, but Varadkar hides his contempt more naturally.
* I think McEntee suggested that she’d have no problem housing Ukranian refugees, let’s see…
.
stephen moran
French anarchist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon coined the phrase “All property is theft!”
Putin signed a law today that will make it possible for Russia to nationalize the 500+ airplanes that Western leasing companies have demanded to be returned to them. The planes are worth more than USD 10 billion.
Be a few aircraft leasing chaps down the IFSC outsourcing a few seizure orders. This is how doing business with Russia often ends.
And it looks like they are going to default default on Wednesday on a coupon payment. There should be some fun and games in the CDS market. Better call the derivatives equivalent of Saul. Argentina ended up having a navy cruiser impounded in Ghana back in 2013 last time they defaulted.
TenPin Terry
Unusually I am incredibly drunk tonight.
Drunk enough to wonder how many units of alcohol I have consumed today from a scientific viewpoint.
So I have just checked with the NHS official alcohol unit chart and the answer is ….
It’s Rebekah Vardy’s account!
132 actually.
Mainly rum and beer.
And beer aged in rum casks.
A bottle of Mackeson.
Oh Christ and those slammers too.
( Don’t forget the wedding reception you crashed.)
2 glasses of champagne.
A Glenmorangie late on.
Not a bad old day.
Lucky is only the start of it.
Big plans for tomorrow involving deep-sea fishing for marlin.
A chance to release my inner Hemingway.
I’ll keep you posted.
Fearganainm
Hemingway was noted for shooting his mouth off…
GiggidyGoo
Mittyworld open 24 hours in Blackpool, Cork now.
Histrionic personality disorder?
Mad
Re charger
He’s just not the same since Liz Truss got in
Even he can see she’s a total dimwit
Cato
Come on Charger, this is half-bottomed stuff, what’s up lately? Where’s the old cutting and thrusting Billy Britain of badinage?
Cato
Behold, our very own Dealz Jim Davidson strikes again, rather flaccidly.
TenPin Terry
One lousy ‘cuda.
I knew we should have set off earlier but we were all fighting monstrous hangovers.
Beer’o’clock now though.
How are we doing at Cheltenham ?
GiggidyGoo
Histrionic personality disorder once again Mitty. Tsk tsk. Get some help. No one wants to know your fantasies.
TenPin Terry
Glad to see you’ve retired Vlad.
It was becoming rather embarrassing for you that you didn’t think anyone noticed.
I have a dog that backs into a hedge to take a dump hoping no-one will notice.
I may call him GiggidyGoo.
Morto.
GiggidyGoo
Vlad is yourself Charger. Same disgusting language and air. Morto for yourself. Amateur.
Work on your Histrionic personality disorder. You’re making a right clown of yourself.
Touchdown
Howzat
Back of the Net
Paulus
I see Imelda Marcos has an album out.
NM
Good to see the Nolans again.
Fearganainm
Joshua Allen withdraws appeal against cocaine possession conviction:
Putin gives free gifts to Western cartoonists:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN18Ly3X0AkciwJ?format=jpg&name=medium
Putin gagging for some Chinese Takeaway for the troops…
https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1503486389811400710/photo/1
… and so russia becomes a vassal… again…
QAnon, Ukraine and ‘biolabs’: Russian propaganda efforts boosted by U.S. far right:
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/qanon-ukraine-biolabs-russian-propaganda-efforts-boosted-us-far-right-rcna19392
How the Putinbots were fed:
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1503434867614228480
Better call Tucker
So- Ukraine has some of the most deadliest pathogens known to man, in unsecure labs, in the middle of a war zone, and all that bothers you is some cliché BS about the far right?
Not the real far right of course- not the Nazis proudly wearing their swastika badges while being funded by the US- no, just spin and “fact checking” by NBC- an outfit which has consistently lied throughout the past two years.
Propaganda broadsheet style- you are not even very good at it.
Exactly which pathogens does Ukraine have? Name them. Name the places you imagine them to be located. Provide proof that such locations are unsecure.
Now give us details of how many identical labs are located throughout the world and what you want done about them.
Is it your belief that medical research involving pathogens should end?
You know, when you come in here trailing your truncated Putinbot version of the biolabs’ scare story, that you haven’t a clue about what research is being carried out, and for what purpose. You also know that you have zero actual knowledge or evidence of biolabs in Ukraine and that we see you doing nothing more convincing than constantly repeating an unsubstantiated claim that lacks any detail as to what biolabs may be actually for.
Propaganda any style – you’re not even poor at it – you’re transparently hopeless.
Some Old Toadie.
Paid provocateur or useful idiot…?
You decide.
FIGHT!
etc.
“There are over 4,000 registered microbiological laboratories in Ukraine, but only 2 of them have a permit to work with microorganisms of the first pathogenic group, 402 laboratories have a permit to work with the microorganisms of the second pathogenic group, and all others are allowed to work only with microorganisms of the third and forth pathogenic groups. Here it is necessary to note that the classification of pathogenic organisms and therefore classification of the laboratories in Ukraine differs from the international one. It is inverted (i.e., in Ukraine “one” is the highest risk and “four” is the lowest risk) and also has some additional differences.”
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2012. Biosecurity Challenges of the Global Expansion of High-Containment Biological Laboratories: Summary of a Workshop. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/13315.
From 2012, contrarionganainm..
The first pathogenic group are micro organisms related to various viruses, which can lead to infectious diseases, deficiency diseases, hereditary diseases (including both genetic diseases and non-genetic hereditary diseases), and physiological diseases.
Contrarionganainm never not gaslighting..
good old copy and paste there Harney.
Smashing the contrarions with good ol’ copy and paste..
Lololololololols
So routine medical research then, You so wormy. In Ukraine some particular pathogens are of special interest because of diseases prevalent in that region.
Similar medical research is conducted in many countries – including Ireland – in many labs all over the world.
Well done you for confirming the nature of the research and showing the Putinbots that their alarmist nonsense is just an amplification of Russian propaganda.
“routine medical research..”
Lolololololols
Contrarionganainm never not gaslighting..
I missed those toady choady lolololols…
(Although the Politburo may be furious with you for challenging their misinformation, again)
‘Ukraine has some of the most deadliest pathogens known to man, in unsecure labs, in the middle of a war zone’
well it wouldnt be a jaysus war zone if putin didnt invade ffs.
Ukraine has always been a warzone unfortunately scottser..
Antrax is routine medical research now is it? There are stacks of articles all over the place on this including pictures of Obama standing beside a box of anthrax spores in Kyiv. And that is just one agent, so stop the spinning and cop on.
Tulsi Gabbard is calling it as it is, and fair play to her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1qBhJYoqUs
Why wouldn’t it be? Where else do you study things like anthrax if not in a biolab? Trying to spin the presence of pathogens in a biolab, which is a place where pathogens are studied, into some sort of scandal is pro-war propaganda. I also notice that you refer to a picture and stacks of articles, but there isn’t even evidence that anthrax was in any of the biolabs, but anthrax sounds scary.
Anthrax in a backyard domestic dog in Ukraine: a case report (2014):
“Anthrax has been reported in domestic and wild dogs throughout much of the world. Generally, canids are considered resistant to anthrax, although there are several reports of anthrax deaths in both wild and domestic canid populations. Prior to 2012, anthrax had not been reported in dogs in Ukraine, despite a long history in livestock and wildlife. An outbreak involving at least one cow and one dog was reported from a backyard setting in southern Ukraine in August of 2012. Laboratory results and epizootic data were compiled from official investigation reports of regional and state veterinary services involved in the case response. A single dog died after being fed meat and bones from an illegally slaughtered heifer that died of anthrax 5 days earlier. On the evening of the dog’s death, the dog refused food or water; however, there were no other clinical signs. Laboratory tests of dog tissue included traditional bacteriology for Bacillus anthracis, a small rodent bioassay for virulence, and immunoprecipitation tests (IPT). IPT was positive, viable B. anthracis colonies were cultured, and a bioassay confirmed virulence. This was the first confirmed case of canid anthrax in Ukraine…”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25072993/
The US really care about rabid dogs in Ukraine, no doubt they’re funding similar labs in Belarus for dealing with these frothing canines fresh from being mutated by Chernobyl, right..??
Wrong
Contrarionganainm never not gaslighting..
It’s OK, You so wormy, everyone else can see the report and understand why anthrax would, indeed, be something that was researched, and with good reason.
You aren’t the brightest bulb in the pack but you aren’t the dimmest bulb either – you’re just not switched on at all.
Lololololololols..
This “brightest bulb” just put you back in your box and exposed your gaslighting..
Only in your demented imagination, You so wormy.
You’re a fact-free zone and it shows.
From the IRA to rabid dogs in Ukraine, all total and utter nonsense..
Contrarionganainm never not gaslighting..
Trying to make sense of geopolitics through the lens of US Culture War churnalism is a fools errand.
Here’s an interesting story to reflect on for the kind of people who are all to easily swayed by manufactured “far-right”, “neo-Nazi”-type tropes when there’s no real evidence..: Except the spotlight has already moved on, so I guess it’s unlikely.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-more-falsehoods-about-the-convoy-are-now-being-retracted/
“The CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) has retracted a second story it reported about the Freedom Convoy that turned out to be fake.
The first was the absurd allegation that somehow Russians were behind the scenes pulling the convoy’s strings in an effort to destabilize the Canadian government.
A second CBC news story, that was corrected this week, involved allegations made by the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) and by Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland, that the convoy could only have raised all the money it did (nearly $10 million, twice, on two different crowdfunding platforms), as quickly as it did, if powerful international interests were funnelling in large sums…
GoFundMe’s CEO, Juan Benitez, testifying before the Commons public safety committee on March 3, said nearly 90% of the funds collected for the convoy (but never transferred to organizers) came from Canada. Both Canadian and foreign donations were small, for the most part, and personal. Moreover, GoFundMe’s examination of the credit cards used to make donations “found no evidence of involvement by terrorist groups, neo-Nazis or other known criminals.”
Even the government’s own terror-financing investigators could find no sign of illegal money going to the convoy.
The CBC fell for this narrative from PMO and the Liberal caucus because, like the Trudeauites, the government-funded broadcaster wanted to believe it. They were sure that only a criminal gang of foreign-brainwashed bigots could be opposed to vaccine and mask mandates and lockdowns.’
Neither of those supposedly withdrawn stories, as described, disprove the far-right nature of the convoy nor the presence of neo-nazi flags. Nice bit of conflation though.
The US culture war lens is relevant since the bioweapon story originate with Qanon accounts. The US right and Putin’s disinformation are openly feeding off each other.
And somewhere between the two, a portion of the left is feeding off both.
…good morning to you too comrade!
ah yes the far-right boogeyman, and one solitary swastika. Nigel cant see the wood for the trees as per usual
But the organisers were far right conspiracy theorists and white nationalists. Nazi flags and confederate flags were flown before they remembered they were in Canada and already unpopular.
“ But the organisers were far right conspiracy theorists and white nationalists.”
But they didn’t just freeze the bank accounts of the organisers did they?
Wouldn’t have been a very effective tactic if they had.
Effective? Not very democratic.
You are free to peacefully protest until we don’t like what you’re saying. Then we’ll label you as far right, neo nazi’s, pedophiles, terrorists (whatever we want) and shut you down.
Very myopic Nigel.
Could have been worse, could have gotten the tear gas, batons, rubber bullet and high pressure hose treatment. Instead they were allowed to blockade a major city for two weeks. They were handled with utmost gentleness really.
Pretty sure they were far right white nationalist conspiracy theorists from the start.
That Nigel is still trying to flog that dead horse is actually quite funny.
But its not over in Canada yet and there was quite big protests there at the weekend. And to confuse poor Nigel even further was not only the black people in attendance, but also the flying of rainbow flags.
I swear- those black ‘white supremacist’ and gay ‘far right Nazis’ are the worst.
They are all just being misled of course, because from the other side of the world- Nigel knows best.
But you’re gay, you’re a reactionary who believes conspiracy theories and pushes pro-war propaganda on behalf of a corrupt autocratic regime. Waving a rainbow flag and having black people present – see eg Candace Owen – is clearly not dispositive of the convoy being a far right white nationalist conspiracy theory event.
To demand all gay people think the same is as homophobic as demanding all black people think the same is racist.
YOU are the one insisting that the Canadian trucker movement was far right whatever, citing one false flag image and frig all else.
As for being reactionary- I would guess that anyone who doesn’t adhere to your corporate sponsored version of leftism is a reactionary. Here is a new product for you.
https://www.tiktok.com/@boristrump45/video/7074965232195538181
‘To demand all gay people think the same is as homophobic as demanding all black people think the same is racist.’
I’m not demanding you or they think anything. I’m disagreeing with them, quite sharp and profound disagreement. To equate the two is asinine.
‘citing one false flag image and frig all else.’
Alleged ‘false’ flag, but also the confederate flags and the online words of the organisers and supporters and the evolotion of the convoy protests in the US.
‘I would guess that anyone who doesn’t adhere to your corporate sponsored version’
More that it’s anyone who adheres to fundamentalist Christian-sponsored versions.
Nigel: “The US culture war lens is relevant since the bioweapon story originate with Qanon accounts. ”
I can see how you might think that if you’re totally absorbed by it. The reality though that credible voices have been sounding the alarm for years about covert bioweapons programs run by the US military in biolabs in former Soviet countries and other regions.
Bulgarian investigative journalist, Dilyana Gaytandzhieva, from 2019:
https://armswatch.com/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/
“The US Army regularly produces deadly viruses, bacteria and toxins in direct violation of the UN Convention on the prohibition of Biological Weapons…
…Bio warfare scientists using diplomatic cover test man-made viruses at Pentagon bio laboratories in 25 countries across the world. These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa
Dr Francis Boyle, the man who drafted the legislation for the US’ Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, has also been trying for years to raise awareness about the US’ covert biowarfare arms race and the reality of what Pentagon-run biolabs in countries such as Ukraine are involved in.
George Webb is another investigative journalist who has apparently been reporting on the subject for the last 5 years, although I’m less familiar with him.
‘I can see how you might think that if’
it’s what actually happened.
No credible evidence in the rest of your comment that there were any weapons being made in the relevant biolabs.
The actual article conatins allegations, inferences, conjecture and a lot of extrapolation. There’s also quite a lot of fudging. While I find it easy to believe that the US has secretly outsourced bioweapons research to private companies in unregulated countries, there is no proof that the Ukrainian biolabs were such. Moreover, there is no indication that Russia invaded Ukraine because of the biolabs or that Russia was paying any attention to the biolabs at all before the conspiracy theory blew up online.
“Dilyana Gaytandzhieva is a Bulgarian journalist who released an investigative material titled “The Pentagon Bio-Weapons” on an English-language portal South Front on January 16, 2018. The portal is administered from Russia and it is registered on Russian domain, which frequently publishes conspiracy theories about military issues and intelligence. The same material in Russian was published by a web portal Новостной Фронт (News Front), which recognizes the independence of Donbass and notes that the purpose of the edition is to defend the interests of Russian civilization.”
https://mythdetector.ge/en/profiles/gaytandzhieva-dilyana/
Want some commemorative Russian invasion rations … since they never made it to the actual soldiers…
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1503500529305112576/photo/1
“Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian children have become refugees since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24. Their testimonies of the horrors of war are a stunning combination of unfiltered emotion and calm descriptiveness. The children also reflect on politics.”
https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/1503491162920800259
It’s the anniversary of Marx’s death in 1883 today – I wonder what old Karl would think – it’s funny he’s the kind of fella you can never imagine ever having been young
It seems that not even a spoon full of sugar is available to help the medicine go down in Putinstan
https://twitter.com/TsybulskaLiubov/status/1503444288851611657
…..the bitterest pill
Facebook and Instagram users not allowed to call for death of Putin
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/14/facebook-instagram-death-putin-meta
Summing up the duplicity of the left’s position over Russia nicely
https://twitter.com/Migrant_Mick/status/1503486866779217920/photo/1
Supporting the fourth Reich is the new BLM it appears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-LRS9A-rW4
You sound like a pound shop version of Noam Chomsky who has been writing the same book about the evils of American imperialism for 40 years whist telling us that Pol Pot was just misunderstood victim of neo-colonial inspired dependency theory. Putin is the neo colonial imperialist here full stop. Sovereignty is not divisible and he cannot accept that. We’d still under the forceful yoke of a UK occupation if you extend your arguments logically – very the thinking if intellectual pygmies and foghorns of ignorance like like Farage & Bridgen (oh “southern” Ireland will be leaving the EU in about a week)
So does that make me left wing again now? The smears and slurs keep changing, so pardon my confusion.
The Russians struck a training base in Ukraine near the polish border on Sunday- 35 dead and 134 injured. The base hosts NATO drills- tell me how Ukraine is a sovereign state again?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/13/russia-air-strikes-hit-ukraine-military-base-near-poland
It’s called defending your sovereignty by what ever means are at your disposal against an invading aggressor who is refusing your right to exist as an independent country. Were they just meant Putin’s army roll them over (though by the looks of them it looks like they couldn’t roll over an U12 camogie team) to reestablish his phony empire (someone really need to tell him to get over it – the Soviets lost) – anyway he’s bitten off way more than he can chew and now will either become a vassal statelet of China or go home with his short tail between his very short legs after an insurgency bleeds Russia dry – looking forward to the potential default on tomorrow – dust off that CDS ISDA
I doesn’t matter who is there, it’s Ukrainian territory, precisely beause they’re a soveriegn state, that’s what being a soveriegn state means, it”s up to them.
From 2002:
“The UN military training school in the Curragh has been grooming Irish and foreign soldiers for peacekeeping duties since 1993. Berna Cox observed exercises this week in the Glen of Imaal…The United Nations Training School Ireland was established in 1993 and is at the Defence Forces Training Centre at the Curragh, Co Kildare. It prepares Irish troops for overseas missions and also shares its experience and knowledge with civilian and academic establishments. Since its inception, the school has trained 220 international army officers representing 47 countries in the business of peacekeeping. The courses run for international officers are of three weeks duration – two weeks of intensive theory and demonstration followed by a week of practical simulations in the Glen of Imaal in Wicklow.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/back-to-school-at-the-curragh-for-international-personnel-to-learn-how-to-handle-peacekeeping-1.1087754
Time and time again you demonstrate how utterly clueless you are and how you’re absolutely incapable of undertaking even the most basic research into any question or topic.
…what was it before the mob stormed the Capital building in Kyiv?
Why is an IRA supporter concerned about the democratic nature of a colour revolution?
…I’ll take a chance and wager that I’m the only person commenting here that has been considered a legitimate target by the IRA…only in recent years did I realise how close I came…
‘Legitimate’ is a weird word to use about people who wanted to murder you.
Still I’m glad you dodged that bullet. Good lord.
…hah…thanks…chilling word but one that was in vogue during the ‘troubles’…
Bloody hell, though.
I wonder has Micheál Martin – or any government TD – invited any Ukranian people to live with him/ her (and actually means it*) in their various houses of residence around Ireland? He seems to be fond of the flag/ scarf that’s blowing on any given day.
Easy know the logistical nightmare of Garda vetting; medical cards; food and basic living supplies and amenities; school places; physical & mental health support; safe housing and accommodation etc., isn’t a concern for him, his party or FG. He’s nearly as weaselly as Varadkar, but Varadkar hides his contempt more naturally.
* I think McEntee suggested that she’d have no problem housing Ukranian refugees, let’s see…
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French anarchist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon coined the phrase “All property is theft!”
Putin signed a law today that will make it possible for Russia to nationalize the 500+ airplanes that Western leasing companies have demanded to be returned to them. The planes are worth more than USD 10 billion.
Be a few aircraft leasing chaps down the IFSC outsourcing a few seizure orders. This is how doing business with Russia often ends.
And it looks like they are going to default default on Wednesday on a coupon payment. There should be some fun and games in the CDS market. Better call the derivatives equivalent of Saul. Argentina ended up having a navy cruiser impounded in Ghana back in 2013 last time they defaulted.
Unusually I am incredibly drunk tonight.
Drunk enough to wonder how many units of alcohol I have consumed today from a scientific viewpoint.
So I have just checked with the NHS official alcohol unit chart and the answer is ….
It’s Rebekah Vardy’s account!
132 actually.
Mainly rum and beer.
And beer aged in rum casks.
A bottle of Mackeson.
Oh Christ and those slammers too.
( Don’t forget the wedding reception you crashed.)
2 glasses of champagne.
A Glenmorangie late on.
Not a bad old day.
Lucky is only the start of it.
Big plans for tomorrow involving deep-sea fishing for marlin.
A chance to release my inner Hemingway.
I’ll keep you posted.
Hemingway was noted for shooting his mouth off…
Mittyworld open 24 hours in Blackpool, Cork now.
Histrionic personality disorder?
Re charger
He’s just not the same since Liz Truss got in
Even he can see she’s a total dimwit
Come on Charger, this is half-bottomed stuff, what’s up lately? Where’s the old cutting and thrusting Billy Britain of badinage?
Behold, our very own Dealz Jim Davidson strikes again, rather flaccidly.
One lousy ‘cuda.
I knew we should have set off earlier but we were all fighting monstrous hangovers.
Beer’o’clock now though.
How are we doing at Cheltenham ?
Histrionic personality disorder once again Mitty. Tsk tsk. Get some help. No one wants to know your fantasies.
Glad to see you’ve retired Vlad.
It was becoming rather embarrassing for you that you didn’t think anyone noticed.
I have a dog that backs into a hedge to take a dump hoping no-one will notice.
I may call him GiggidyGoo.
Morto.
Vlad is yourself Charger. Same disgusting language and air. Morto for yourself. Amateur.
Work on your Histrionic personality disorder. You’re making a right clown of yourself.
Touchdown
Howzat
Back of the Net
I see Imelda Marcos has an album out.
Good to see the Nolans again.
Joshua Allen withdraws appeal against cocaine possession conviction:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/joshua-allen-withdraws-appeal-against-cocaine-possession-conviction-41450621.html