Tuesday.
House of Commons
Sir Christopher Chope, Conservative MP for Christchurch, told the House of Commons that the number of adverse reactions to the vaccine could run into millions in the UK.
Sir Christopher’s Ten Minute Motion on Covid-19 Vaccine Injury Payments will now get a second reading on Friday May 6.
He said:
‘This Bill is not about the tens of millions of people in the United Kingdom who have benefited from the vaccination programme; it is about the tens of thousands for whom the harm caused by the vaccines is greater than the benefit.
“The specific focus of this Bill is on the families of those who tragically died or suffered severe injury or life-changing conditions as a result of doing their public duty and being vaccinated.
‘No payments have yet been made . . . even in respect of those whom a coroner’s verdict found to have died because of the vaccine. The impatience and frustration of those so affected is now palpable.
“Having lost their loved ones more than a year ago, some have been badgering the Under-Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, my Hon Friend the Member for Lewes [Maria Caulfield], for action — I am pleased to see her on the Front Bench. I understand that yesterday she blocked vaccine victims on her Twitter account and today she closed her Twitter account completely. This is an indication of the strength of feeling among the public.
‘This Bill is not just about the payment process; it is also about diagnosis and treatment for those patients who have suffered or continue to suffer ill effects from the vaccines. The current situation is totally inadequate, which is why the Bill places a duty on the Secretary of State to improve both diagnosis and treatment.
‘Those who were in perfect health before their vaccine have encountered too much ignorance and scepticism when seeking medical help. For some, their general practitioner has refused to engage, to the extent that they are made to feel gaslighted, with their physical pain being dismissed or explained away as mental illness. How insulting and humiliating is that and how at odds with the principles of the National Health service?
‘There is much public concern that the Government are going to use lack of proven causation as an excuse for not making payments under the scheme. Should the test therefore not be whether there is any other reasonable explanation for the disablement or death suffered?
‘The scale of this is enormous and I do not think the Government have come to terms with that; more than 450,000 Yellow Cards have been submitted to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency detailing adverse reactions to Covid-19 vaccines.
“That number is an underestimate of the actual number of people adversely affected, which may be 4.5million or more. I adduce what the MHRA said on May 17 2019: only 10 per cent of serious reactions and between two per cent and four per cent of non-serious reactions are reported under the Yellow Card scheme. The MHRA says that those figures do not apply now, but it has not said what figures do.”
Anyone?
What Sir Christopher Chope is talking about here are injures which can be in some way linked to the actual vaccination, whiter that be a previously reported same or on a simple recent post vaccination time line.
But a damaged immune system can manifest itself in many ways and can take quite a long time to do so- so such figures are likely to be very conservative estimates.
As for the GP’s and other medics refusing to diagnose, that is actually understandable because if and when they do so- they also will be admitting that they were partly responsible- and if they administered the jabs, potentially liable.
I think the one to watch here is the US health insurance companies. If it is a case that their overall claims rise substantially, then they will have to justify passing that extra cost onto their customers. More importantly, they will start to ask the questions which should have been asked all along.
Which “US Health Ins Companies” are you specifically referencing,are you concerned that they insolvent today or maybe in the future?
As such,they will now,immediately have jack up premiums in,across states including say Fla,to cover or prepare for these future losses?
And this is your opinion or based on..
….how do you say i don’t know what actuary is or how the us insurance market works.
Deaths are up- the question is why? Whether that be a long term injury from CoVid-19 or vaccine is unknown, but you can be certain that health insurance companies will be digging to find out why.
This is from four months ago so it has probably moved on in some direction or other since then.
Insurance deaths up 40% people 18-64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op6kKQzAoxc
‘ the question is why?’
Has there been a pandemic?
You only have to look at when deaths spiked. They never did during the pandemic, 2018 showed a higher increase from the previous year than 2020 did. Soon after the fake vaccines were rolled out, mortality started an unprecedented rise & in unusual age cohorts. The advertising campaigns to normalise strokes & heart attacks among young people & super-fit athletes are a grubby whitewash attempt that merely serves to expose the guilty parties.
This is simple arithmetic, undeniable, black & white. Denary but binary.
Only a lunatic fringe of people driven to the edge of insanity by dogmatic delusions would be stupid enough to deny this.
Another case of 2+2=5, I fear.
You’re so yawn. The nordies always pile in with pro Trump gobsheens. Go on tell us about sleepy Joe. Give us one verifiable fact the vaccination doesn’t work.
That’s a lot of words to say yes there was a pandemic but it doesnt count because Cavan is as ideologically committted to it not counting as they are to to claiming glorious victory for Russian troops in strategic withdrawl from Kyiv.
Who knows what those bloody anti-vaxxers will get up to next.
Anti science, not a fan of women’s issues like criminalising FGM or upskirting… He’d fit right in here!
Define what a woman is please Dolly?
I’m not your dictionary, my little SOQpuppet.
Obviously not but go on, have a go, be brave- what is a woman?
Are you, a gay man, having a go at trans women, SOQ?
Spare me the Trans hate baiting.
I follow the likes of Rose of Dawn from England and Blaire White from the US- both trans women- and they are asking this question right now.
Probably not the right sort of trans women for you two of course, but just like the gays, if we all have to have some sort of approval stamp- then we are back to square one.
Anti-trans… tick!
Another saucer of milk for SOQ!
What a burn, ouch!
Doubtless – and on the substantive issue?
Claims of thousands and thousands of serious and fatal adverse vaccines reactions have been touted since the vaccine rollout began. The mumber of actual proven serious or fatal vaccine reactions? Miniscule. Otherwise Bodger wouldn’t have to rely on asserting every health problem by an actor or an athlete is vaccine related with zero evidence.
Mind you, compensation for actual vaccine-related injuries is in itself a good idea, but there will have to be some standard of proof and a threshold of harm involved.
In that case the bill will be quickly enacted, Won’t it?
And the “minuscule” number of cases will receive their compensation immediately afterwards. Won’t they?
Unfortunetley it neither follows that this bill would be adequate to the task, nor that the Tories would implement a better one.
The vaccine made Will Smith slap Chris Rock – TRUFAX!!
It is a strange sort of alopecia without bald patches don’t you think?
Would you like to define “miniscule”, Nigel? I guess not, you have a habit of sharing your out-there takes, without the benefit of facts or figures.
The reason for that is blindingly obvious.
Less than thousands and thousands.
blah blah blahsheet
Great point.
it’s as relevant as anything else on here
During the expenses scandal of 2009, it emerged that Chope claimed £136,992 in parliamentary expenses in 2007–8. This included claiming £881 to repair a sofa.
Chope was criticised following remarks made on 17 January 2013 when he referred to House of Commons dining room staff as “servants” in a speech.
Chope is sceptical of climate change and attended a meeting of climate change sceptics in the Palace of Westminster in October 2010.
Chope voted against the legislation for same-sex marriage in 2013.
In 2014, Chope voted against requiring all companies with more than 250 employees to declare the gap in pay between the average male and average female salaries.
In March 2019, Chope was one of 21 MPs who voted against LGBT inclusive sex and relationship education in English schools.
On 12 March 2010, he blocked a bill to protect poor countries from vulture funds, despite his party’s support for the bill.
In October 2015, Chope, Davies and Conservative MP David Nuttall filibustered a private member’s bill that would have placed restrictions on hospital parking charges for carers.
And on the substantive issue, Florrie?
I agree, he sounds like a reasonable and reasonably minded kind of person. As trustworthy as I am. I like him and support his platform.
And the substantive issue, Florrie?
All of the above. Don’t you agree? We’re both completely reliable, although my couch came in at £860, or wouldn’t you agree?
Paper won’t refuse ink , poor chap is worried about his seat in the house !!
“Paper won’t refuse ink” surely up there with the top go-to rationalisations for watchers of Sesame Street?
“..but you can be certain that health insurance companies will be digging to find out why.”
you are conflating and mixing up ‘health’ insure for living people with life insurance for dead people.
you are deliberately(unless,nah you cant be that …) taking data out of context,life insurance and health insurance are not the same.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/life-insurance-deaths-up-40—dr-robert-malone-s-chilling-analysis/article_d24bccac-6f38-11ec-912f-1f6d8fc5fac4.html
its been widely debunked,oh look its Dr Mad Malone again,why did you not simply say so.
“According to the CEO of OneAmerica, a national life insurance corporation headquartered in Indiana, deaths are up 40% in the third quarter of 2021. These deaths are primarily non-COVID deaths among workers aged 18 through 64.”
you have no clue about either health or life insurance in the US,why waste your time trying fake it.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/11/blog-posting/no-covid-19-vaccines-arent-responsible-increase-de/
You’re wating your time. The modus operandi is this:
Bodger posts yet another anti-vax long covid 3rd division footballer with a headache bolox
SOQ – I’d say he/she but as you see that would start another one – has been sitting waiting, practically wet with excitement with a list of tik-tok / you-tube / twitface nonsense from #alltheloons
Someone will contradict SOQ. SOQ will take umbrage, say something, maybe post a tik-tok. This goes backwards and forwards for a while until SOQ decides he can give it but not take it
Then K.Cavan will come in. He will ignore anything said and just post a snide, narky little comedown that a 5 year old in a playground would be embarrassed by. If you’re lucky he might use the term Clotshot – oh how we’ll laugh
Nigel will pop in, maybe Micko, maybe others. there may be some attempt at rational thought but it’ll be drowned out by the usual blah blah blahsheet you won’t pull any wool over my eyes conspiraloons.
At least they’re running out of things to post now Covid wise.
Oh wait – I just got a text from someone who saw a thing on tik-tok where a guy on you-tube said someone on twitter showed him a facebook thing that straight up pointed to a doorman at the oscars who said that a guy he met in the jacks said that Will Smith was the biggest Chris Rock fan but that he had a Covid booster just before the ceremony and………..
You’re wasting your time Johnny. The modus operandi is this:
Bodger posts yet another anti-vax / long covid / 3rd division footballer with a headache sensation
SOQ – I’d say he/she but as you see that would start another one – has been sitting waiting, practically wet with excitement with a list of tik-tok / you-tube / twitface nonsense from #alltheloons
Someone will contradict SOQ. SOQ will take umbrage, say something, maybe post a tik-tok. This goes backwards and forwards for a while until SOQ decides he can give it but not take it
Then K.Cavan will come in. He will ignore anything said and just post a snide, narky little comedown that a 5 year old in a playground would be embarrassed by. If you’re lucky he might use the term Clotshot – oh how we’ll laugh
Nigel will pop in, maybe Micko, maybe others. there may be some attempt at rational thought but it’ll be drowned out by the usual blah blah blahsheet you won’t pull any wool over my eyes conspiraloons.
At least they’re running out of things to post now Covid wise.
Oh wait – I just got a text from someone who saw a thing on tik-tok where a guy on you-tube said someone on twitter showed him a facebook thing that straight up pointed to a doorman at the oscars who said that a guy he met in the jacks said that Will Smith was the biggest Chris Rock fan but that, despite the fact that the pfizer clearly made his wife’s hair fall out, he’d foolishly had a Covid booster just before the ceremony and………..
Yeah but what about the fake tan ban…
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-fake-tan-lovers-screaming-26073190