From top: Green Party leader Eamon Ryan in the Dáil last night; Green Party CouncillorLorna Bogue
This morning.
Further to the last night’s vote against a a private members motion brought by the Social Democrats which sought to strengthen the rights of workers during the Covid-19 pandemic.
Cork Green Party Councillor Lorna Bogue tweetz:
Last night my party voted against maternity payments and against a living wage and collective bargaining for precarious workers.
I’ve no information on why workers rights weren’t defended by the Green Party. Maternity payments were ‘unconstitutional’ if anyone can shed light on that
Workers rights are integral to just transition – we will not reach our climate goals without them.
I also can’t shake the intergenerational nature of the harm we have done today.
We say we are a party for future generations but we abandoned young families and young workers today.
I’ve spent six years defending the Green party – telling people on the doors they wouldn’t repeat the intergenerational harm they inflicted last time.
This party has made a liar out of me. A new generation of the young will pay for the failure of the Green Party with their futures.
Last night: Getting Woke
Update:
This morning.
The 96FM Opinion Line with PJ Coogan
Fergal Barry writes:
This morning Cllr Bogue spoke to PJ Coogan about her disappointment at the party’s vote last night…However she will remain in the party, criticising when necessary from the inside.
the green movement is a right and necessary one, but, in Ireland, it’s been taken by the wrong people
a purge from within would sort it
I’m trying to decide if this statement in favour or in opposition to Cllr Bogue..
I aim to be all things to all people
Brother Joseph
well played brother another super sleuth par excellence
I agree with you here that the new Greens have to overthrow the old codgers chasing power through old school methods and supping from the recyclable overflowing paper cup
Or a surge.
Agreed.
The Green party attracted a lot of young new members in the past year. The antics though has resulted in a lot of those leaving. (Info from one such ex- member who is in contact with other such ex-members).
This image of Ryan sleeping, waking suddenly after being called, and voting against workers is another nail.
There is a place for Greens. They must however be loyal to their manifestos.
worst.
government.
ever.
itll be over soon
If they – by they I mean the eFFers can survive the next month or so
I reckon it will go to full term or there abouts
People didn’t hold much hope for the last one either
But they got over 3 n’ half years
10%
Let the Shinners in?
You have to be out of your freaking mind
?
Was that for me?
I was being sarcastic, sorry if it did not translate well online.
First I meant to write 100%
Total fail on all counts ;)
Carry on
theres no fraternity among the corrupt and fraudulent- never has been. FF and FG will fall out soon. itll be fun to watch at least.
It pains me
Like 10 lbs baby labour pains
To say this
But Leo and FG are playing a magnificent game of Political Stealth and Strategy here
They’re letting His MM make every eFFing mistake he was bound to do as an old school eFFer with zero talent
And they’re not saying a word about it
Meanwhile their Finance Minister is the Chair of all the Finance Ministers in Europe
Sure they are in as a pandemic rages
As for a living wage by the time this is over it will be very hard to find a job
What is better is government lowering the cost of living
Ah. So that’s what it’s about.
Ryan has been spending his days learning his new ministry and his nights defending a leadership challenge, and when he nods off, exhausted, the self-styled inheritors of James Connolly stick the knives in.
Now, I’m all for James Connolly, but as for whether those Greens who are shouting loudest are actually his inheritors… as my father used to say with a sideways look, I’ll go bail.
It really is a cesspit the green party a gangrenous bunch a deputy leader who would stab her leader in the back even when campaigning
I actually like eamon Ryan
His policy for agriculture makes sense
Not an industry moulded around quota’s a industry that would produce beef of the highest standard to those willing to pay for top notch not flogged off at a loss for those who farm as greedy beef barons pump it out at bargain basement prices
You never see a Mercedes sold at the same price as a soda so why our best product
I’m continually disappointed in the calibre of elected reps from the Green Party: we have a constant stream of intra-party squabbling conducted via the medium of social media; GP reps picking fights with the leadership on points that display some combination of naivete and a lack of political nous.
When was the last time any government party decided to vote in favour of a private members bill brought to the floor by one of the opposition parties?
When was the last time any government party decided to vote in favour of a private members bill brought to the floor by one of the opposition parties?
This.
Times a thousand.
lol this is classic trolling
this one was introduced initially by Alan Kelly I believe
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45409581
I don’t the existence of one example of the approval of a bill that would have zero impact on government expenditure is suffice to disprove the broader point.
It proved you a troll and a liar so that’s all good
Yeah, not really.
I do hope you hurry up and get yourself banned again.
Unlike Giggidy you are merely weak and cowardly Rob.
At least Giggidy comes out fighting and provides evidence when challenged.
When that evidence is flimsy and illusory, we can all judge that.
However in your case you simply make up stuff which you cannot back with any sort of facts, this is called trolling Rob and you are a premium exhibit of the genre.
Slovakia has just announced paid pregnancy benefit of 200 Euros/month for each pregnant woman, starting at the fourth month of pregnancy. That’s on top of 8 months of fully paid (75% of pretax pay) maternity leave. And that’s a country that has a quarter of Ireland’s GDP per capita. So where are they going to find the money to pay the pregnancy benefit (and other new social help)? All Minsters were tasked to reduce the operational spending of their departments by 10%. That means lower salaries or bonuses, fewer special advisers, etc. I often can’t comprehend how people keep electing the same clowns over and over again in Ireland.
Once born, what are their child welfare payments like compared to ours?
Regardless, we should not be further incentivising pregnancy and amplifying the message that there’s money to be made in getting knocked up, it’s bad enough as it is amongst a certain cohort of the population.
…you’re still a member of the greens…so is Saoirse McHugh even though she promised she would leave if they voted to put FFG back in power…someone on twitter postulated that if they were to plant two tomato plants in their window box they would be of more benefit to climate than Eamon Ryan’s next five years in government…one plant would be more than enough…
I want a yacht.
Why would Cllr Bogue be surprised? This is exactly what the Greens did last time they were in government.
More disingenuous whinging, government parties NEVER vote for opposition party private members bills. The Greens are in, a program for government has been agreed. This government will survive or fall based on implementing the PfG and managing “events dear boy …”
I’m sure Bogue knows how parliamentary democracy works, this smells of cynical fake outrage — shocked, I am shocked!
not actually true, a myth perpetrated by those with a vested interest in saying the system doesn’t work
see example above
Not entirely true there Gerry
Eoin Ryan (Jnr) back in the day put forward a bill (from opposition) about prosecuting Irish Citizens in this duristiction, that were convicted or deported from another for Sex Traveling that involved intent to exploit children
I think that was the jist of it anyway
Maybe Dan – who is a genuine oracle on these things could weigh in here
And it was supported by all sides of the Dáil Chamber
I recall it being reported at the time that it was a first – that a bill introduced by an opposition TD was successful
Open to correction of course
As an aside, Eoin was one of the early victims of the FF collapse post crash, and of them all, he was the least deserving of it tbh
Well done vanessanelle yes there are several examples of this quietly done every year especially the last few years with numbers the way they are
How Ryan voted is his business, he still should have been awake
She has the makings of a bertie woman (bertie who posts here)
Plugged a tweet earlier to this, but since most of ye don’t folly me, I might as well throw it up here now too.
The Irish Political Framework wasn’t designed for Idealists
But to support 2 main parties who run strict party whip rules
The boys then fixed it so there were only 2 sides to everything
Tá Na
Left Right
Him Her
FF FG
Political reform badly needed to reflect the range of spectrums
How and ever
If Cllr Bogue had had a better run in CSC
I’ve no doubt she’d be singing a different tune this morning
A not too shabby 9.5 ish % 1st Preferences, in the heaviest weight Constituency in the electoral map
Currently home to three Senior Ministers, Inc a Taoiseach and a Party leader, and neither of them topped the poll themselves.
@Vanessanelle btw ( ꈍᴗꈍ)
Do any of you know what this was about?
1. It was a “motion” not a Bill. The text of the motion was:
I[Gary Gannon] move:
That Dáil Éireann:
recognises:
— the structural problem of low pay in the Irish economy, resulting in many people living on the breadline, denying them the opportunity of a decent standard of living;
— the precarious nature of many jobs, resulting in many workers being underemployed and dependent on welfare support;
— the lack of entitlement to basic protections such as sick pay and statutory leave for many workers;
— the increasing casualisation of work, with uncertainty about hours and days of work;
— the absence of the right to collective bargaining and representation in the workplace;
— the recent High Court decision to strike down a sectoral employment order, leaving many workers unprotected, and while the Government intends to appeal this judgement, the ultimate need for legislation; and
— the need for a clear pathway to the living wage;
acknowledges:
— that since the emergence of the Covid-19 crisis, there is an even more urgent need to recognise the valuable contribution to our State of the large number of essential workers who are in lower paid and precarious jobs;
— the exceptional efforts of such workers involved in our food production and supermarkets, care assistants, those who collected our waste throughout the crisis and those who provided support services to our frontline healthcare workers to enable them to carry out their duties in conditions that were sanitary and safe, amongst many others; and
— that the Irish State owes a debt of gratitude to its workers, particularly those on low pay and in insecure work; and
resolves:
— to ensure an enhanced focus within Government on creating good jobs and protecting workers’ rights;
— that access to jobs, where workers have a voice that provides a level of autonomy, a decent income, security of tenure, satisfying work in the right quantities and decent working conditions, should be integral to public policy given how this contributes to better health and well-being by tackling inequalities, building self-efficacy and combating poverty; and
— to establish a task force to give effect to this Resolution.
which is a load of hot air and waffle.
And the government voted to replace the motion with it’s own (different hot air and waffle):
“acknowledges the essential work that has been carried out by so many different workers in the public and private sector during the ongoing Covid-19 public health emergency, and thanks those workers for their continued efforts;
endorses the commitment within the Programme for Government to move to a living wage over the lifetime of the Government as part of the development of a new social contract between citizens and the State;
notes that the Tánaiste and Minister for Business, Enterprise and Innovation is appealing the High Court ruling that Chapter Three of the Industrial Relations (Amendment) Act 2015 is unconstitutional;
recognises the need for the Government to have a strong focus on job retention and creation, given the number of people whose employment has been threatened as a result of the Covid-19 public health emergency; and
resolves that the forthcoming July jobs initiative and the subsequent National Economic Plan contain substantial and innovative measures of scale to support the retention of employment where possible and the creation of new, good quality sustainable jobs in areas of opportunity.”
Storm. in. a. teacup.
A Senior Minister asleep in a convened Dáil
During an important vote
I don’t think so
At the very least it’s an insult to the Ceann Comhairle
A more obvious sign of disrespect you’ll be hard pushed find
A Senior Government Minister Cian
Not some novice backbencher, or lazy opposition TD, or some feckless rogue independent after a few tea time pints sloping back in to push a button.
Cian is a more insidious type of troll here vanessa, projects false illusion of apparent superiority and appeals to ‘facts’ – carefully cherry-picked to support absurdist positions while claiming the centre.
Clever I’d admit. Best ignored though. It’s a rabbit hole he’s drawing you to. Always. Look over here!
you are deflecting, projecting, and attacking the messenger. You are a troll.
In the morning I will be sober and you will still be a troll.
Being asleep at work is bad. For a Minister doubly so. I’m not arguing that. Nobody is arguing that.
But this whole post is about Councillor Lorna Bogue’s views on the Greens voting against maternity payments and against a living wage and collective bargaining for precarious workers.
It wasn’t an “important vote”. It was a motion, not legislation. I’ve even copied the text (proposed and amended) above. It is all hot air and waffle.
Which is why my earlier posts were addressing the thread
It was your Storm in a tea cup that provoked my one and only comment (so far, barring what I said on BS.tv last night) on Minister Eamonn Ryan’s siesta.
Are ya in over your head there Cian?
Fianna Fáil grabbing headlines for all the wrong reasons, serving a “back with a bang reeling in the years we haven’t changed you know” vibe. The Green-Thurnberg McHugh “if you are not 100% with me then you’re against me” brigade will likely have the effect of imploding the party from within (and then wonder teary-eyed why they in particular are rejected in a subsequent election). The Shinners are still being the Shinners – railing against everything from the sidelines while having a totally contradictory approach in government up North (but that’s different)…
Meanwhile, Fine Gael are sitting pretty, giving the aura of quiet efficiency, Pascal the doyen of the Eurogroup Finance Ministers, no major adverse headlines…
+1
…you have to admit FG are playing a blinder…they come a poor third in the election yet end up calling the tune…Frances Black Bill on the Occupied Territories made it through all the stages in the Dail and Seanad yet was stopped by FG…both FF and the greens promised in their manifestos that it would be implemented…again it is dropped from the program for government at the whim of Simon Coveney-as he had promised in the Jerusalem Post…
They haven’t actually done anything, other than “not make a complete hames of it in public” (though I suppose this stands them in sharp contrast with their coalition partners).
…they have betrayed some of their voters and most of the people who included them in their preferences…and Lorna Bogue is still a member…putting FFG back in power is probably the most significant thing they will do in their tenure…
(I was referring to FG)
…as I’ve said…your boys seem to be playing a blinder…probably more by accident than design…but still…
I dunno
I think the Shinners are going to regret the big show at Bobby Storey’s Funeral
People mightn’t say it
Out loud anyway
But they know it was a Military Funeral
And they don’t like being taken in by fake excuses
Or seeing their TDs following along to orders
Like at a One Man and his Dog event
…don’t think so…you don’t have to be a shinner to know the part that Bobby Storey played in delivering the peace…an exceptionally brave man…
Its not giving Bobby Story a daycent send off that’s going to rancour and go sour with voters Bisto
Its that it was clearly High Command giving the orders
like even I was mortified watching – who is a unique and gifted public representative, Pearse Doherty, plotting along past Milltown like a boy scout
And then the other two like war widows
Everyone knows Bobby was cremated
Like I’m actually disappointed with them myself
…if you don’t believe that Pearce is his own man or that MaryLou is her own woman then you believe the mantra that they are merely puppets carrying out the orders of some star chamber…I don’t believe that…
Remember the strict teacher you had in school ,you wouldn’t dare fall asleep ,it’s respect, I think it shows Ryan’s respect for the electorate, I mean there is a live camera feed he is aware of yet couldn’t restrain the urge to sleep.
Many in the faux nouvelle green movement and those journalists who consult with NGO’s who are pro immigration argue it’s mainly for humanitarian reasons, throughout history excessive immigration lowers real workers wages, wages need to be lower so Ireland stays competitive and appealing to big corporate groups. Those who vote against motions like this to increase wage know this.
Many of the NGO’s pumping an excessive immigration policy are funded ironically by billionaire elite types running big corporate groups. This pattern of behavior with regard to immigration has been going on for centuries, they are also prone to gaslight the public with accusations of racism throughout history, a coherent reasonable immigration policy where immigrants can climb the social ladder is not wanted by our current emperor’s.
It’s a form of contemporary slavery under the guise of humanitarianism.
I agree falling asleep was disrespectful.
But the rest of your post is populist nonsense.
Ryan didn’t vote against anything. He voted for a change to the original wording. Both motions are in full in my post above. Specifically the bit on “living wage” replaced
“[Dáil Éireann recognises] the need for a clear pathway to the living wage;”
with
“[Dáil Éireann] endorses the commitment within the Programme for Government to move to a living wage over the lifetime of the Government as part of the development of a new social contract between citizens and the State;”
Falling asleep would be disrespectful if you did it on purpose, like “Ah, here we are, coming in for a vote. Think I’ll curl up and have a snooze.” But the poor man was obviously so tired he conked out.
And behind him, with more stamina and wide awake, is the leader-in-waiting wearing one of the smuggest ‘gotcha’ smiles I’ve seen in a long time.
Maybe he had too much green tea at lunchtime? Anyway, he is anything but poor, which probably explains his contempt for lower paid people. Beggars on horseback and all that.
Maybe he was up all night with a sick child.
It’s great to see this in the new politics