80 thoughts on “Friday’s Papers

  1. ReproBertie

    “All we ever wanted was our freedom”’ wails the Express in despair at the disaster to come because the mean old EU won’t let them have their cake and eat it too.

  2. Rob_G

    Sinn Féin is set to hoover up the votes of e.matty and rest of the tinfoil hat brigade on this site come next election:

    ‘In 2015, he shared a post which suggested “augmented reality” through the use of a hologram was used to fake the planes crashing into New York’s Twin Towers on September 11th 2001.

    Another shared post in 2017, since deleted from his Facebook account, questioned whether Syrian president Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons on his own people.’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/sinn-f%C3%A9in-td-apologises-for-sharing-conspiracy-theory-facebook-posts-1.4433134

    1. Bitnboxy

      V aka Frilly pointed out this problem with the Shinners. The speed at which the work of the top brass, Mary Lou, Pearse, Eoin, Louise O’R can be turned on its head by the army of newly elected SF morons who have no place in a parliament let alone a council chamber.

    2. E'Matty

      Firstly Rob, I am not a SF supporter. I support no political party. I have never suggested anything to do with an augmented reality and 911, though I do assert that the Official 911 story is proven BS. Only idiots and those who have never done any research at all on the subject actually believe the official story. It even defies the laws of physics and the universe on a quite a few occassions, but you go ahead thinking you’re clever swallowing the horse manure with enthusiastic delight.

      As for Assad, it is also now clearly evidenced that the many claims of chemical attacks by Assad’s forces were completely fabricated. The OPCW whistleblowers have provided copious evidence of this, yet an msm following dolt like yourself would probably not even be aware of this. Indeed, we have numerous occasions when chemical attacks were actually perpetratred by your scumbag wahhabist headchopper pals, the filth people like you supported as “moderate rebels” You’re a child of the Anglo American empire and like a child in North Korea believes whatever the Dear Leader tells them to believe, you believe whatever you’re told to believe by the voices of power in the West. You are a low intellect imbecile with an unsophisticated perception of the world, preferring to cling to the managed delusions you have been conditioned to believe. Let’s wait for the next target country to be presented to you with tales of “a brutal dictator the West needs to save the poor people from”. You really are an idiot falling for that line every time…

      1. Rob_G

        “blah blah blah blah – jet fuel can’t melt steel beams”

        – e matty*, 2020

        *condensed for brevity

        1. Haroo

          Sorry what, I have to bite. What’s all this now? Who really did 9/11 or what was the real motive or intention? I remember from the time some people said jet fuel steel beams, twin towers recently insured, excuse for war etc. but I never heard the full story all tied together. Also I didn’t realise it was still a thing.

          Ah Matty, come on man, it cannot be good for your mental health to be that suspicious all the time. Better to be tricked a couple of times in life than to be eternally paranoid. I actually quite like being had. It is fun to be surprised when it turns out something is more interesting and fantastical unlike 99% of the time when it is as it is.

          Conspiracy theories may offer a sense of control over things you don’t understand or may make you feel special/unique for being one of the chosen few who really know what is going on but that does not make it healthy or right.

          Also, as with most things, if you are going to make assertions like whatever you are claiming about 9/11 it has to stand up to logic and evidence and not just require others to prove you are wrong. The onus is on you to prove you are right.

          I could just claim that it is as it is but the US Govt were the ones who started rumours and conspiracy theories to confuse the populace and divide them to prevent a coherent and strong opposition to war and make the State appear to be more powerful than it is. Therefore the real conspiracy is that you have bought into the conspiracy theory, dividing opinion, propagating the myth of the ultra powerful and omnipotent State and so you are the silly goose who is gullible and fallen into the trap. We both have the same amount of evidence for our claims.

          @RobG, I haven’t heard that steel beam jet fuel thing in years. Good times.

  3. Bitnboxy

    If Johnson thinks the EU are the baddies, wait until his team sidle up to US trade negotiators if Joe decides to give the green light to talks (assuming the UK doesn’t once again try and renege on its Northern Irish commitments).

    1. Junkface

      But Britain can now have all of the bendy bananas they ever wanted, Boris wrote columns about this before the Brexit vote. So its a win-win ;)

  4. Steph Pinker

    Judging by the photo, it looks like an 18 month old Irish Wolfhound bitch on the front of the Telegraph. They are sensitive and intelligent dogs, in fact, I think they are the warriors and secret philosophers of the canine world.

    1. Jdawgs

      I love Irish Wolfhounds. I’ve rarely ever got the chance to be with one in person or get to know one. Just admired passers by over the years. That’s an interesting comment you make. It makes me want to know more and hopefully get a dog one day.

      1. Rosette of Sirius

        I couldn’t have such a large breed of dog. I don’t think I could contend with such a short lifespan which is of course the devastating curse of dog ownership. My beautiful pup is 13 now and while slowed up and not able for the miles long walks anymore, is still going strong looking to eat rings around herself and freaking out with excitement at the slightest sniff of a bunny.

        1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

          snap my Jackie is 14 still a gobbildy gut, barks at anyone in the front garden, plays with her ball cheeky terror, out playing dogs on the beach while her much younger shepard brother is already winding down and getting a bit cranky, it’s heartbreaking

          1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            not for a first time owner or if you have to leave alone while you are at the office, they are working dogs who have endless energy and are incredibly smart …and stubborn, but if you have the active lifestyle, patience, firm and gentle persistence training I believe they are one of the most rewarding breeds, fun loving, oodles of personality, problem solvers, very loving, massive stanima ( mine used to happy do a half marathon ), she was perfectly behaved off lead in Paris, in banks , restaurants, the hair dresser and at work with me, charmed the keys put of so many clients and free beer for her mammy haha,
            the wrong owner , they get bored so destructive, yappy and try to train you lol.
            if you have the time and lifestyle definitely !

          2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            forgot to mention WHEN properly socialised early and properly exercised excellent with kids and other dogs, although usually the boss

          3. ReproBertie

            Thanks for all that. Food for thought.

            I grew up with dogs but it would be the first for the rest of the family.

          4. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            ah well as long as there’s one who knows what they are doing be grand :)

  5. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    “Aussie Rules”. I have checked, Australia doesn’t have a land border with the EU. The fish all around Oz are too far from EU trawlers, so no problem there. There is also no chance that Aussie industries are going to lower their standards to undercut the EU. Apparently, what the UK is likely to get is the same deal as Afghanistan.

    1. ReproBertie

      They are using Australia as a way of avoiding having to say “without a deal” because it sounds like they are coming away with something.

      1. Bitnboxy

        True, all spin from Johnson. He might as well declare “The UK is leaving on Siberia terms!” Don’t say that too loud as Mrs Priti Patel (whose own Indian-born parents are economic migrants to the UK from Uganda) might get some ideas about gulags for migrants. Something tell me she has thought of this before.

    2. dav

      Oh dear…
      https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-australia/beware-of-aussie-no-deal-brexit-former-australian-pm-tells-uk-idUSKBN28L0T6
      “LONDON (Reuters) – British Prime Minister Boris Johnson should be careful about going for a no-trade deal Brexit on so-called “Australian” terms because Australia faces very large barriers to trading with the European Union, former Australian leader Malcolm Turnbull said.
      Johnson said on Thursday there was “a strong possibility” Britain and the EU would fail to strike a new trade deal and end up with “a solution that’s much more like an Australian relationship”.
      “Be careful what you wish for,” Turnbull, who served as prime minister from 2015 to 2018, told the BBC. “Australia’s relationship with the EU is not one, from a trade point of view, that Britain would want.”

      1. scottser

        Australia is really good at keeping out poor and dirty foreigners though, and I think that is what Johnson wants to emulate.

      1. Bitnboxy

        Lol. Were it the case we lived in a just world, we’d be watching Sammy Wilson on an episode of “Banged-up Abroad” rather than standing up in the Commons an an actual MP trying to convince other MPs of his Britishness when deep down he knows they don’t see him as fully equal and that godforsaken province an exchequer-draining historical anomaly.

  6. GiggidyGoo

    The queue at Dover, above, is just a normal day or night at the port.
    If there’s no agreement, that queue will stretch many miles. Imagine Mullingar to Dublin Port bumper to bumper with trucks. That’s theoretically the length of queue to Dover from January.
    Brexit buster services direct from Ireland are being ramped up with CLdN adding more services from cork, and DFDS adding a daily service Rosslare to Dunkirk. Don’t be surprised if the clever UK west coast companies or Scottish look at using Ireland as a Landbridge

    1. ReproBertie

      The daily service to Dunkirk will take longer than going via the land bridge but, given it allows drivers and exporters avoid the extra red tape and the queues across the UK, it’s actually a better option. The services are able to take about half the load that currently goes via the land bridge but more services are expected to be announced.

      The UK said they would build 27 truck parks from Holyhead to Dover. They have not built one and they haven’t even supplied toilets to the park in Kent.

      1. Bitnboxy

        Some Kent residents are also a little upset at the potential for roaming charges given the loss of the EU’s Roam Like at Home rules as their phones can often pick up French networks. Add in the staggering amount of portaloos the UK government has ordered for Kent and well, it’ll be an interesting if smelly 2021.

      2. v AKA Frilly Keane

        Also said they would build 40 hospitals and hire over 30 thousand nurses

        but the Tory super majority’s ability to install any imminently needed infrastructure can be measured by their contract tracing efforts

        how’s that going for ye lads?(‾◡◝)
        hehs * billions

        1. Bitnboxy

          Given the épuration meted out to any moderate or shock horror Remain-leaning Tory, the Dad’s Army current crop of incumbents simply don’t care. So for the next two years, the plebs who put them in the Commons will be fed a constant stream of EU demonisation to distract from the factory closures and relocations affecting those who most certainly will not be part of Johnson’s dream of a hi-tech Singapore on Thames (should it ever come to pass).

      3. GiggidyGoo

        @Repro Given the queues in Kent, there’s also the question of drivers hours. The tachographs have to show rest periods. Any movement of the vehicle (driving) breaks the rest period. So if a driver gets in a queue, and the queue is continually moving, or stop-starting, drivers will run into problems.

        The service to Dunkirk is slower alright. If, however, you take into account that drivers have to take various breaks using Landbridge, (Holyhead to Dover is an 9-10 hour drive in a truck, which means two breaks) and when they arrive onto the continent they will also have to take a break. (The daily maximum driving hours is 9 hours, which can be extended to 10 hours twice a week) Drivers must get 11 consecutive hours of sleep each day (see my first paragraph).

        But taking Rosslare-Dunkirk means that the driver arrives on the continent with a ‘Fresh card’, fully rested, and can drive immediately to the daily limit. Door-to-door Ireland to Italy for instance, there would be a negligable difference in transit time. South Germany, South France, Poland, Spain, likewise.

  7. Charger Salmons

    I like the way posters on here who used to be Brexit economic experts then became Covid-19 vaccination experts and now it turns out they’re transport logistics experts as well.
    Experts, eh ?
    A quick reminder – Dover is only the UK’s 7th busiest port.

      1. Charger Salmons

        Of course Babs and Boris memorably acted together in a scene in the Queen Vic in Eastenders.
        Two box office stars together.
        Marvellous.

    1. ReproBertie

      Would Verona Murphy, former President of the Irish Road Haulage Association, count as a transport logistics expert? She’s the one I got my information from. You can hear her for yourself in conversation with Eamon Dunphy in episode 956 of his “The Stand” podcast.

      It’s almost as if one can learn things by listening to experts. Who’d have thought it?

    2. Haroo

      And a quicker reminder: Dover is the busiest passenger sea port and one of the busiest passenger sea ports in Europe and the world. It is also closest to France and close to the eurostar tunnel. Dover is always cited as more people would have experience of that than Southampton or Felixstowe.

      1. Cian

        Southampton and Felixstowe deal with container ships. Each of these ships can take up to 9,000 40-foot containers. Containers are unloaded by crane and then moved by train or lorry.

        Ports like Dover are for RORO ferries – the lorry with the container roll on and roll off. They do about 2 million lorries per year.

        1. GiggidyGoo

          Felixstowe also handles Roll on / Roll Off. Likewise Southampton.
          Ships may be able to carry 9000 containers, but that doesn’t say they unload or load that quantity at Southampton or Felixstowe. Container ships call to ports to deliver a number of containers, and to pick up a number of them – that’s in addition to containers those ships already have on board from Hamburg, Bremen, Rotterdam, or wherever, that have nothing to do with UK trade.

          marinetraffic.com is worth a look at. You can zoom in on ports, identify a ship, and see its previous voyages. An eye opener as regards pollution too mind you.

      1. Charger Salmons

        Do you understand the difference between a ferry port and a port ?
        Why am I even asking … ?
        There’s an additional word in there which will give you a clue.

        1. scottser

          why indeed, kateblack?
          the daily express comments section is far more suited to your level of window-licking.

        2. Charlie

          Poor ol’ Charger. His homeland is going round the u-bend and he’s desperately clinging on to the bowl with his fingers. Marvellous.

          1. Cian

            We shall go on to the end. We shall freight in France, we shall freight on the seas and oceans, we shall freight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall freight on the beaches, we shall freight on the landing grounds, we shall freight in the fields and in the streets, we shall freight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

  8. Gabby

    Timothy Garton Ash in Prospect takes a sombre historian’s look at Liberalism. I hope he defines liberalism before going on to reflect on its ‘mistakes’, ‘the threats and the battle ahead’.

  9. Charger Salmons

    Definition of inferiority complex – not a single post questioning the massive economic hit that Ireland is about to take with big tariffs on agricultural exports to its largest market which will badly hit rural areas here.
    Blighty will be cushioned by the huge tariff surplus it will enjoy on EU imports as well as no longer paying its massive annual wodge into the EU budget – Ireland will be doing a lot of that heavy lifting over the next seven years but of course the EU have your backs …

    Heh x get off your knees.

    1. bisted

      …why would you expect comments on Ireland’s role…Ireland haven’t voted to leave the EU and those who had a vote wanted to remain…

    2. Toby

      How deluded can you Brits get?? You’re in the toilet. Fro Gods sake a young black footballer is feeding your school kids., The world hates you.

    3. Redundant Proofreaders Society

      Ireland and Irish businesses have spent the last 4+ years preparing for Brexit.
      What preparations have the Brits made?
      Oh yes, they changed the colour of their passport…astounding progress.

    4. Haroo

      As others pointed out, why would we question the economic hit Ireland will take? We know that. Everyone suffers, some more than others. But this was not chosen or caused by Ireland.

      Also in relation to your point about the vast sums the British Exchequer will garner from import duties, you do realise who actually bears the brunt of the import duties will be determined by the elasticity of demand for those goods. For instance, no Irish or European firm that is exporting will directly pay anything to the UK. The importer will pay. However, if the importer is able to source the good from elsewhere it will put massive pressure on the exporter to lower their price to account for the tariff. However, if their are no or limited alternatives then the tax incidence falls on the importer and consumer by pass through.

      It will be interesting to see how much food from the Netherlands and Ireland be replaced by domestic production and other markets (taking account of transport/logistics and other non-tariff costs). Undoubtedly though Irish producers will be hit as food is very commodity like.

      Two other interesting points: 1). the UK has run an overall surplus with Ireland since 1999 with £14 bn in favour of the UK in 2019. 2). The UK is an intermediate importing economy. Produces a lot of final goods that rely on imported parts from the EU (Czech, Poland, Hungary, Germany). This would eliminate any tariff gain regarding a lot of goods.

      Overall I think next year (if there is a no deal) we will see sterling volatility and currency and tariff related inflation. This is not good at a time when the fiscal and monetary authorities are trying to stimulate the economy with spending and money supply increases as it will worsen inflationary trends.

      But, credit where it is due, the UK has a very dynamic and diversified economy. They have a lot of value added and competitive advantages. This is not the end or the apocalypse for the UK but there is a lot of pain on the way.

      1. Charger Salmons

        ‘ why would we question the economic hit Ireland will take? ‘
        Well you certainly didn’t when you were ordered to bail out the bondholders.
        All that’s left is Corporation Tax and they’ll be coming after that too.

        1. Haroo

          Charger, dear lad, that makes no sense. What about Ireland’s economic hit? What about the bondholders? What about corporation tax?…. Anything else you would like to mention rather than addressing my responses to your points?

          You have a very short or skewed memory if you do not think there were many questions asked about Ireland’s approach to the bailout and bondholders and our treatment by the troika.

          In relation to corporation tax you are right, they probably will be coming after that, there have been moves and winks in that direction for years. The difference is, national taxation is not a competence of the EU. We have a veto as members of the EU. It will require treaty change and therefore a referendum in this country so it is not even at the behest or will of whatever government is in power. That, dear boy, is leverage in negotiating.

          1. Charger Salmons

            Are you really sure you want to go down the route of Ireland’s performance in EU referendums ….

            Heh x 2/10/09

          2. Haroo

            And did we get amendments to the treaties that we rejected? Previously I said that national tax is nit a competency if the EU. Guess who got a legal guarantee in the amended Lisbon Treaty that tax would remain a national competency for the second referendum??? In both referendums we either secured legal guarantees for the issues that were uncertain or amendments for the unpopular ones. We are not all about saying no and never. We have a more transactional approach of what’s in it for me.

            Also, corporation tax and other tax rules are unfortunately very important to our current economic model. Obviously any change to that will require a phase-in period and econ restructuring. But it is nice to be at the table and have a voice in what will be decided with a nice ace of a referendum and membership of the euro so we are too intertwined to be threatened with a two speed Europe.

            This is not coming very soon though. Moves to a debt union will require moves to a tax union which will essentially entail a more complete fiscal union with fiscal transfers (doesn’t exist at present). That will lead to a social model union (we will have not identical but more similar social models rather than current diveregnces Market v Conservative v Nordic etc. This was one of the key elements missing in the Euro. We all shared a currency but were still able to pursue our own social models = high debt borrowing to fund some v balanced budget in others.
            All of this is years and years away and not by any means guaranteed.

            So I would not worry about corporation tax for now (but policy makers really should have an eye on alternatives). When corporation tax is mentioned it will be quickly responded to with a the proposal of fiscal transfers from Germany, Netherlands, Austria and France. Do you think that is an easy sell at the moment.

            I think corpo tax is safe enough for now.

          3. Charger Salmons

            Yes, and the most recent one was when Ireland became a laughing stock for allowing the corrupt Sarkozy to threaten an entire country into submission.
            Ireland has become the Franco-German doormat.
            And they wipe their feet on the way out.

          4. ReproBertie

            Submission would suggest we did what we were told when in fact we rejected Lisbon. The EU amended it to allow us keep our commissioner and we got legal guarantees on our taxation and neutrality and, happy with the changes, we accepted the new version.

            That taxation thing is one of the reasons your constant references to the EU coming after our Corporation Tax is nothing more than hot air.

          5. Charger Salmons

            ‘ Vote Yes For Jobs ‘ anyone ?
            You caved in under pressure.
            As you did with the bondholders.
            Qualified majority voting will be the price you pay.
            * sniggers*

          6. Haroo

            Ah now Charger, you are just plucking terms from anywhere my good fellow. QMV only applies to areas where the EU has competencies.

            I give to you the list of specified exemptions from QMV as per the Lisbon Treaty. Unanimity is required ergo the power of veto applies. Have a little look at what the 3rd one is:

            Certain policy fields remain subject to unanimity in whole or in part, such as:

            membership of the Union (opening of accession negotiations, association, serious violations of the Union’s values, etc.);

            change the status of an overseas country or territory (OCT) to an outermost region (OMR) or vice versa.

            taxation;

            the finances of the Union (own resources, the multiannual financial framework);

            harmonisation in the field of social security and social protection;

            certain provisions in the field of justice and home affairs (the European prosecutor, family law, operational police cooperation, etc.);

            the flexibility clause (352 TFEU) allowing the Union to act to achieve one of its objectives in the absence of a specific legal basis in the treaties;

            the common foreign and security policy, with the exception of certain clearly defined cases;

            the common security and defence policy, with the exception of the establishment of permanent structured cooperation;

            citizenship (the granting of new rights to European citizens, anti-discrimination measures);

            certain institutional issues (the electoral system and composition of the Parliament, certain appointments, the composition of the Committee of the Regions and the European Economic and Social Committee, the seats of the institutions, the language regime, the revision of the treaties, including the bridging clauses, etc.).

          7. Haroo

            Also, let me indulge in my own bit of whataboutism. “Vote yes for jobs” is kinda funny. We can be twats and sold a lot of sh*te.

            “£350m a week for the NHS” on the side of a bus. We have so much in common with our neighbours. Apparently we are both gullible showers of twats.

          8. ReproBertie

            “You caved in under pressure.”

            Getting the EU to give in to our demands is what you consider caving under pressure?

            Little Ireland could get the EU to hand over the goodies but the big, powerful United Kingdom can’t get them to agree a simple trade deal. Bummer.

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