122 thoughts on “Friday’s Papers

    1. Cú Chulainn

      She’s not really‘dating’ him.. don’t panic.. I’m sure a valet will be around soon to park his car..

    1. V AKA Frilly Keane

      Any idea what will become of Dick and Angel at the Château now?

      Will they move back to the UK and do it all again from some mouldy mossy Welsh Castle ?

      Just wondering like
      All their wedding parties and their C4 audience – mainly
      Tend to be little Charages Britananas
      Or will they just swap out all that trendy vintage Union Jack bunting n stuff they’ve got all over their gaff

        1. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

          well that came in handy for the former British Army lad

          Angel ‘repurposing’ all that Union Jackish drapery and soft furnishing, cups n’ saucers, n’ stuff will be the next project for them
          I suppose

          Mightn’t be a bad watch in fairness

      1. Charger Salmons

        Why on earth would Brexit affect a British couple living in and running a business from France ?
        Do you think they’ll have to return home immediately on January 1st ?
        Jesus, stupidity is out of the traps early this Friday.

        1. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

          Well their main customer base will not be coming and going so easily

          then there’s the Telly stuff

          is Brexitan going to want to watch their exiles living the life
          and having le craic over in France

          watch how the French do public education
          Public Health etc
          Village Food Markets v Romford

          sure
          mustn’t grumble

          1. Charger Salmons

            Why would their main customer base not be coming and going so easily ?
            You don’t have to be a member of the EU to travel to France to get married.
            I’m not sure you fully understand what Brexit means.
            Like a lot of Irish people you’re been sucked into the whole Irish media con trick that Brexit means things will be substantially different between the UK and the EU.
            They won’t.
            Life will go on much as it always has done.
            And, if I may say so, the rest of your post is largely unintelligible.

          2. ( ̄_, ̄ ) AKA Frilly Keane

            I’m not the person who was sucked in Charage

            Somehow I don’t think Brexitan is goiing to be that goo-eyed for telly about exiles living abroad anymore
            Or house hunting abroad
            Or getting into accidents abroad
            Or whatever you’re having yourself

            But that could be just me
            I would never visit an establishment like Dick and Angel’s
            Festooned as it is in kitchy renditions of Union Jacks
            then there’s the whole former British Army Officer thing about the gaff
            For all his talents and knacks for everything – he is still a British Army veteran

          3. Toby

            Brexit means we will be rid of you insufferable ignorant Brits. Juts like we shoved them out of here, we are now shoving you out of Europe. The Americans won’t do a trade deal and you need kids to feed you. You are hated. But I believe Lithuania is nice in Springtime.

          4. Nigel

            I must disagree with m’learned colleague, Toby. I feel desperately sorry for everyone who’s going to suffer as a result of Brexit and I hope they sooner rather than later hang the few disaster crony capitalists and their creepy Tory pals looking to get rich out of it by their giblets from Westminster Bridge.

          5. Charger Salmons

            V – what’s wrong with being a British army veteran ? Lots of Irish people are British army veterans.
            The British military protect the skies over your head so perhaps a little more gradtiude wouldn’t go amiss.
            And you seem to be under the mistaken assumption that on January 1st Britain will cast off from the European continent and sail off into the sunset.
            Europe existed before the EU you know …
            I had you down as having a small bit of gumption but it looks like you’re as narrow-minded and gormless as the rest of the slow stream on here.

          6. Charlie

            “…protect the skies over your head so perhaps a bit more gratitude wouldn’t go astray” Ahaaa…Yea, thanks a mill. You type of Brits are a gas shower of arrogant units.
            Teresa May was ousted by Bozo and he said he’d “get Brexit done”. She practically had a deal done and Bozo opposed it. As of now he isn’t even close. He’s beyond a disgrace and you’re going down the toilet. I’d love the arrogant sods to get a deal but it’s people like Charger who make me all warm and fuzzy. Thanks Bozo. Brilliant!

          7. scottser

            the uk will still be there on january 1st, for sure. and we’ll be there too, watching it drown in the mess of its own making and refusing all helping hands.
            one hundred years on from when we won our war of independence.
            bleedin deadly.

      2. goldenbrown

        speaking as a reasonable DIY builder and hacker I can’t STAND that programme, dreadful TV

        it’s completely implausible, every bit as nonsensical as some mockcelebmockumentary “Housewives” fictional fairytale tat

        their total yearly takings for whatever Afternoon Tea jaunts they run there wouldn’t pay so much as abooking deposit on that fancy Lanache Range Cooker they installed in that kitchen refurb

        :) I like the Charages Britananas quip, very good LOL

  1. dav

    Looks like Kingspan are imploding and not a murmur out of Irish Media.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/17/director-grenfell-firm-quits-evidence-outdated-fire-tests-kingspan
    “A director of the company that made combustible insulation used on Grenfell Tower has quit in the wake of evidence the firm used out of date fire tests to market material it knew could burn “like a raging inferno”.
    Peter Wilson will stand down in a fortnight as managing director of Kingspan’s insulation boards division and as a director of the plc. He is the only board member to leave the Irish company since the disaster on 14 June 2017, which killed 72 people.
    The move came as Gene Murtagh, the chief executive, told staff the company was trying to ensure “weaknesses in our testing and marketing of K15 can never be repeated”, admitting in an email “undeniable historic shortcomings”. Kingspan has an annual turnover of €3.5bn and its share price has fallen 15% in the last month.
    Wilson, 64, was in charge of the insulation division since 2001, during which time it launched Kooltherm K15, a plastic foam insulation used on the tower. Kingspan tested the foam in fire in 2005 and it passed, but then changed the chemical composition which made it more flammable, the public inquiry into the disaster heard. However, it continued to use the previous test pass and said it was safe for tall buildings.”

    1. paddy apathy

      It’s on the front page of the Examiner, which is the first of the front pages.
      Eyes-wide-shut Dav!

      1. dav

        with respect it’s stuck down in the bottom – hardly the Front Page Headlines I would expect for an Irish business putting profit before peoples lives.

        1. paddy apathy

          Fair enough, and you are right, it should be bigger news. I suspect that greater attention will be be taken if/when the fire cert issue are explored further at tribunal and fingers a pointed directly at Kingspan. And we know from our country’s experience how long that could take.

  2. Toby

    I have admired the stamina and the persistence of those who gave different opinions on the Covid crisis. (Not the total tin heads, or conspiracy theorists obvs). But in the face of ever mounting data how can they doubt the advice and the analysis of those running the show? As far as I can see, they have done an excellent job overall. No where has got it perfect,(even the oh so perfect scandis) there is no right way, we are all just doing our best and its not bad. It mostly depends on the populace (which is why Taiwan worked).

    So to the objectors and the deniers- what keeps you going? What makes you doubt the experts? Do you think its a hoax of some sort? Help me understand you better.

    1. SOQ

      Just wondering what you mean by ‘data’

      Is it the data produced by the PCR tests which has already been found to be not fit for purpose by a Portuguese court and is now about to be challenged in the German ones?

      Or is the data on CoVid-19 fatalities where anyone who tested positive is counted as FROM rather than WITH?

      Of maybe it is the data which says that overall fatalities for this year are lower than the average as confirmed by Leo Varadkar recently?

      But of course there is no data on additional cancers, suicides, mental health nor impact of poverty as yet- because they take much longer to collate.

      Excellent job you say? Criminal negligence I say.

      History and hopefully the courts will judge.

      1. Cian

        Look at all this data showing excess mortality in a wide range of countries is way higher that usual.

        https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&country=BEL~CZE~England%20%26%20Wales~FRA~DEU~Northern%20Ireland~NOR~POL~ESP~SWE~CHE~GBR&region=World

        There are a lot of people dead because of Covid.

        Ireland had excess mortality in April. We have managed to navigate the last 2 months better than most European countries. The lower mortality in Ireland is something to be celebrated – not treated as “proof” that Covid is fake.

        1. SOQ

          Spin it all you will but Ireland has a lower than mortality this year and if you want a lockdown point of reference then look no further than the other part of the island. NI has just come out of a lockdown and STILL it has spread.

          As for this capacity bullpoo being spouted- has it occurred to a single journalist up there to ask what they mean by ‘capacity’?

          Capacity of the hospitals and capacity of the beds allocated to CoVId-19 patients is two very different things- as pointed out to two north of England hospitals recently- and then they stopped talking about ‘capacity’ for some peculiar reason.

        2. Junkface

          Isn’t it strange that this is the mentality when a country does well at suppressing covid 19? Ireland is doing very well, which has to be commended. People are obviously making a big effort to protect the elderly and risk groups, and I am glad that this is the current situation, for my parents sake. Also being an island gives a certain amount of control. Mainland Europe is a bit of a mess right now, they should have tightened up the summer and autumn travel all over the region. I understand they were desperate for some popular tourism regions to make some money, but look at what it has cost.

    2. dav

      @Toby you are asking questions of those who have already decided that they know better, they are in possession of the TRUTH of things and you and I and all the others are blind sheep .

  3. Toby

    “Ireland is second only to Norway on a United Nations annual ranking of 189 countries measured according to average longevity, education and income.”

    This story is in todays Business section of the Times. Buried as a by the way. Why is this not a big deal? Why are people not celebrating this, congratulating those who have helped us achieve this and reminding ourselves to be grateful.

    If someone came here for Mars, and listened to our national discourse in the Times, on here and especially in RTE, they would not believe this was the country in the headline.

    So to all you ungrateful, self loathing, moaning, whining, bleating citizens, take the day off and practice gratitude that you are really in the top .01% of the world. Just for one day even….

    1. Rob_G

      I like to call this ‘Broadsheet syndrome’ – people will swear up and down that Ireland is as corrupt as Albania with the health service of Burundi. While of course Ireland is not without it’s problems, these sorts of hyperbolic denouncements are completely lacking in perspective.

      1. Bitnboxy

        +1000 Rob. No one is suggesting that Ireland is without its problems some of which are significant (affordable housing – although I note all the top countries on the list all have affordability issues) but often on BS (and fueled by dangerous, polemical trolls like GiggidyGoo, however cretinous and predictable they may be) one gets an utterly skewed impression of an Ireland crippled by levels of corruption and repression akin to Russia or China or indeed war-ravaged country mired in perpetual instability. This is simply not the country in which I live. I live in a modern country with high levels of social cohesion, a stable democracy with the bulk of the electorate moderate and centrist and enviable levels of personal freedoms. Are we without flaws – certainly not – but I am nonetheless proud of the country Ireland is today.

          1. Bitnboxy

            Were it only the case that we can make some inroads into the housing issue though. It is really crippling some young people (and tarnishing the image of the country) and driving them towards Sinn Fein who do not offer any real solutions only divisive and nasty politics as a distraction. But we need solutions and innovative thinking not excuses.

          2. Cian

            I dunno about the rest of the country but there must be 3-4000 houses/apartments being built within 2km of my house. Every other plot of land has something being built.

          3. millie bobby brownie

            You know, there’s a rake of housing going up in my area too. None of it is affordable, none of it is social housing. And that’s where I have my biggest issue. The houses are selling for 300k at a minimum, and that is not affordable by any stretch of the imagination.

          4. Bitnboxy

            @Cian- no, our housing market is dysfunctional by any stretch and causing a chasm to emerge between owners and renters. In this country, because of our outdated landlord and tenant laws, most people aspire to own their own home. It is *the* major life milestone to buy your first home but in urban areas this is becoming more and more unattainable for a variety of reasons and now a goal to maybe hit in one’s 40s. Crazy. This causes delayed and disgruntled lives.

            I live in coastal south county Dublin. No one I know bought without huge assistance from parents- in fact, for one mate, the bank asked in his mortgage appraisal interview how much he can be expected to get from his parents! He never even alluded to this possibility. How can any one person or a couple with an average wage and likely doing essential work (Garda, Nurse, Teacher) afford anything near their place of work in Dublin, Cork and Galway at current values?

            As well as PROPER supply in places people actually want to live, our housing market really needs some form of predictability and price stability – I.e. you buy a home not an asset without the wild swings in value and inside the M50 should not be the sole preserve of higher earners. Do we really want to emulate London and the UK?

          5. Cian

            @Bitnboxy
            no, our housing market is dysfunctional
            I never said otherwise. I said that there is a lot of building going on. This has to ease the current crisis.

          6. Bitnboxy

            @Cian – hopefully that will assist the current crisis but we need a whole rethink as a country in terms of our housing philosophy. The Anglo-Saxon model we have copied is not working for us. We need to look elsewhere- Austria is an interesting country in this regard.

          1. Bitnboxy

            While I agree re multinationals and the tax rate given our isolated location vis a vis similar sized counties like Denmark that in contrast to us have a large and vibrant number of native companies, I would like to see even more efforts at nurturing and encouraging Irish entrepreneurship.

          2. Rob_G

            @scottser – so, what your saying is that the taxation policies pursued by the various coalition governments over the past 40-50 years have facilitated all of these big employers setting up shop here?

          3. Junkface

            Ireland has a well educated population compared to other countries, with regards to literacy, tech literacy, maths, creative thinking, but yes our main attraction next to that is willingness to allow massive US corporations to use the (US) tax loophole system. The bigger you are, the less tax you pay. Add to that our cool and windy climate, which is great for cooling massive amounts of servers.

          4. Brother Barnabas

            no, not the weather – nor the food

            a combination of ireland being english-speaking, broadly similar culture to the US and UK, an EU member and, yes, favourable tax regime (which also has negatives for us)

            I’d wager, though, that there would be a lot more multinationals here – offering better jobs (not just glorified call centres) – if it wasnt for the abject mess that FFG has made of housing, health, transport, environment etc, not to mention the gombeenism and cronyism that puts a lot of people off

          5. Brother Barnabas

            spain has its own issues, in fairness

            going to iceland for a few months after xmas – will report

          6. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

            ah yeah everywhere does, it was the food part that mostly struck a cord !
            The brother loved Iceland, enjoy !

          7. scottser

            yes rob, that’s what i’m saying. and i will also state that if they got a more favourable tax break somewhere else then they would go.
            where we disagree is that large multinationals should not be thanked for coming here, or anywhere, for creating jobs in order to not pay tax. you might think this is acceptable but i do not.

        1. Cian

          You can’t have it both ways.

          If FF & FG get the blame for all the woes of Ireland then there should at least be acknowledgement for the successes too.

          1. Brother Barnabas

            if I walk into your house and pi$$ on your carpet, can I at least take credit for the prettiness of your drapes?

          2. Cian

            No. What has one got to do with the other?

            A better analogy might be that I could visit your house and complement you on the prettiness of your curtains whilst avoiding standing in your puddles of wee.

          3. Iian-Oh

            Missed a trick there Nigel, shoulda called it the “FRAPEroom”.

            Thundercats are go….(thunderbirds are in quarantine, birdflu.)

  4. Ger

    According to the HPSC, there have 0 Covid outbreaks linked to pubs, restaurants or cafés in the past 14 days.

    So what will Nephet do? Close pubs restaurants and cafes.

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      There’s a cluster in Wexford that’s directly linked to a huge amount of people going to a pub after a funeral. Allegedly, a son of the deceased is in ICU with covid as a result.

  5. V AKA Frilly Keane

    Just to say that 2.5 million is an insult to Joanne Hayes

    Imagine the life Joanne Hayes could have build for herself and her family if she even got a third of that 30 years ago

    Consider now, the life she and her family were denied by organised institutional procrastination and hand wringing

    25 Million and not a penny less was what the award should have been to compensate

    I’m gutted disgusted and just
    Feck it
    Fed up tis still going on – this flimsy ara’shur’ we’re all friends again attitude to genuine contrition
    This settlement is nowhere close to taking full responsibility for the full damage of what this State let’s itself get away with

    No wonder the crowd today still think Accountability is a punchline to laugh at

    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/02/09/i-expect-you-to-keep-us-honest/

    And ye can hold me to this
    2021 The year of Probity

    Stay tuned as they say

    1. Bitnboxy

      A fair enough assessment. When I heard the item on the 9 o’clock news, I immediately thought “what good is that to her now”. Usual hardline Iona slash Youth Defence types very quiet about this one. No outrage on Grift Media over this. Wonder why?

  6. Charger Salmons

    I was never really aware of the charms of Teeling whiskey until yesterday – my Irish whiskey of choice has always been Jameson.
    Back in March when the first lockdown hit we informed our tenants – all East European – that their places were secure and no rent was to be paid until they were back working.
    By the summer they were mostly back to normal and they threw a fantastic barbecue for us by way of thanks – with lots of different dishes from their various countries.
    Yesterday one of my Lithuanian pals who is a tenant arrived with a bottle of Teeling which we got stuck into.
    It was tasty.So is my head this morning.
    Meanwhile some more great news for Irish exports.
    Mrs Brown’s Boys will be on air until at least 2026. Brendan O’Carroll says he’s signed a deal with the BBC which keeps the sitcom on Christmas Day for six more years.
    Marvellous news.
    Today really feels like the start of Chrimbo.
    Seasons Greetings to all my loyal readers on Broadsheet.

    1. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      if that person is your tenent …they aren’t really your friend…. I’m sorry

      1. Charger Salmons

        No, he really is my friend Janet.
        He’s been a tenant for ten years and came to this country speaking very little English and with a pregnant girlfriend.But he’s a blinding plumber and within a couple of years had his own company going and now employs four other fellers, all Lithuanians.
        We watched him get married and there are now three kids in the family.
        I’ve been able to fix him up with all sorts of work through contacts and he remains an exemplary tenant as are all my other East European tenants who’ve been with me for years.
        I’m a big fan of the Baltics.And Slovakia.
        I’m also a great believer in treating people fairly as that’s how they invariably respond.
        I used to have a few bad apples among my Irish tenants but gradually eased them all out years ago and never looked back.

        1. Toby

          I imagine your tenants hate you. The patronising way you talk about them reveals your bigotry. You probably think you’re being a sounder. Its like when Dubs come to Roundstone and think the locals treat them as one of their own- or when the Brits were in Ireland and thought Paddy peasant was a thoroughly decent feller in fact- until Paddy slit his throat and drove him out.

          1. Charger Salmons

            You’d be amazed how many of my wonderful East European tenants have over the years.
            I’m like the Pied Piper of the Iron Curtain …

          2. benblack

            Nothing against Lithuanians except for the guy who sold me a Golf that had false tax certifcates and NCT certs. and a passenger door that could not be opened.

            The target of my jibe was you.

      2. Papi

        “No, he really is my friend Janet”

        Literally the saddest thing charger has ever said.
        In a life of sadness.

        1. benblack

          Or the most genuine.

          Leave him alone.

          Enough, already – it’s just banter with him, with you and your buddies, nasty.

          1. Papi

            Bigots be bigots. Racists be racists.
            Mysogonists be, … Even you and Kate can see where I’m going with this. So, again, no.

    2. Toby

      “Ireland is second only to Norway on a United Nations annual ranking of 189 countries measured according to average longevity, education and income.”

      Blighty crawls in at number 13…

      Toby guts the Salmon and drops the mic.

        1. Toby

          The actual UN had to step in Charger. First a young Black footballer, now an international agency. Just to feed your kids? Shame on you.

    3. Iian-Oh

      I do like Teelings but they are a little overpriced for whats on offer. Bushmills do some spectacular whiskeys at a price thats quite low for the quality, possibly due to the poor stewardship of them by Diageo.

      Jose Cuervo seem to be doing a better job of it so far so if you want to get a Whiskey thats substance over style look north.

      But for sheer price to quality rario you just can’t beat Red Breast 12 YO. For the cost, its probably the best whiskey around.

      1. Charger Salmons

        I concur.
        Red Breast is a favourite of my local priest as well. I have been known to pop round for a glass or two of salvation with him …

  7. Johnny

    modern Ireland.

    “Solidarity-PBP TD Gino Kenny also called for the Medical Cannabis Access Programme to be implemented urgently.

    “I know of families that can’t get it because they can’t afford it,” he said. “Their children are suffering, usually from epilepsy, so they have gone to the black market in desperation, which is not good.

    “I know of one family in Cork who are fundraising to pay for their child’s medicine. The way to resolve this is for the Medical Cannabis Access Programme to be implemented and for Government to take action on this.”

    A spokesperson for the Department of Health said: “The Medical Cannabis Access Programme register is not currently operational, so currently no patients have accessed the programme.”

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40192983.html

    …jersey shore joins Cali,Mass,Vt,Maine…etc.

    now where the fook is my tank top and white towely socks….

    “The Legislature on Thursday passed landmark legislation that would allow marijuana users to possess up to 6 ounces of weed without penalty and sets up the framework of the state’s eventual legal weed industry, particularly setting rules over licensing and establishing a tax structure.”

    https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/marijuana/2020/12/17/new-jersey-marijuana-legalization-legal-weed-vote-results/3933487001/

  8. Charger Salmons

    I rarely comment on the appearances of prominent Irish politicians on TV as they hardly ever put themselves up for proper interrogation and are generally just lobbed softballs by supine camp followers in the media.
    But I thought Pachal Donohoe came across well on the Tonight show last night.
    It’s a shame he has that lisp which can be a little intrusive because he’s clearly an intelligent and articulate man with a clear vision for Ireland’s future.
    And more integrity than those grifters Mehole and Verruca put together.
    Mind you I was quite drunk on Teeling at the time.

        1. johnny

          – about $11 billion went to companies either run by friends and associates of politicians in the Conservative Party, or with no prior experience.
          -Lord Deighton has helped the government award billions of dollars in contracts –– including hundreds of millions to several companies where he has financial interests or personal connections.
          -To date, just over half of all of the contracts awarded in the first seven months remain concealed from the public.

          corrupt little kip.

          1. Charger Salmons

            Nationalistic fervour ?
            Boggers are wetting themselves on her because Ireland came second in some poxy UN survey.
            You’ll forgive me having a small bit of pride in Blighty leading the world in the vaccination efforts.
            Knuckleheads like you would be first in the queue if you had the chance but Ireland has to follow its orders and wait its turn like good little Europeans.

          2. Nigel

            Not bad, thanks. Not being mired in Brexit and pandemic mismanagement, we’re not in quite the same sheen of panic as the UK.

          3. Charger Salmons

            When do you think the world-beating Irish vaccine will be on stream ?
            That’s aimed at Nigel not the brain-monged stoner …

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