This afternoon.
Kildare Street, Dublin 2.
Lord Mayor of Dublin Hazel Chu and Solidarity–People Before Profit TD Brid Smith with protestors from the Repeal the 8th movement outside Leinster House, as they call on Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly to ensure that the National Maternity Hospital will be fully secular, and will be under no Church control.
Update:
Solidarity's @MickBarryTD has raised concerns about the ownership of the new National Maternity Hospital, and the provision of abortion services.
Minister @EamonRyan told the Dáil that services at the new hospital will be operated 'without religious, ethnic or other ethos' pic.twitter.com/igroTiQz8C
— RTÉ News (@rtenews) May 25, 2021
Hmm.
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the state of them
Yeah because that’s what’s important here
Baz doesn’t like ‘uppity’ women
Great women. More power to ye. I’m with you in spirit (the hips/knees call halt) for my daughters and gran-daughters, and all the others who may need a hand in the future. It is very, so very important.
Hazel Chu burnishing her crednentials before jumping ship to… the Soc Dems, probably.
+1000 One only needs to look at what is happening in Texas with the macabre “heartbeat law” and the obvious set-up by SCOTUS to gut Roe v. Wade by next Spring in the name of religious fanaticism dressed up as textualism and originalism which neatly aligns with religious fanaticism.
And who will suffer – young, poor and minority women. The rich will of course still be able to travel to those states where abortion services are available but perhaps for later term terminations. For the poor, it will be back to the back street, cloak and dagger abortion pills and altogether likely tawdry stories emerging of botched and unsafe abortions.
And the religious right will rejoice for those poorer women will deserve it. Indeed, if one looks at our own Romish 8th Amendment, the price that was paid were the lives of the very desperate and the very poor.
Abortion in Ireland is currently costing 18 human lives every day. Prior to the 8th being removed we had approx 9 per day (was that the figure?)
“textualism” , “originalism” , “fanaticism.”
Neat terms, but for some people it’s just that unborn babies have value, intrinsic human rights, most notably the right to not be killed. Its a complex situation.
respectfully News you haven’t got a Danny what you’re talking about
Just because we differ in our views on the subject doesn’t mean you or I are uninformed or misunderstanding.
can you show sources for the 18 per day please?
There were 3,265 women in the UK that gave an Irish address in 2016 = 9 per day. But there were others that went to other countries and others that illegally imported medication.
I found a source for 6,666 abortions in 2019.
Yeah, 6666/52
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/total-of-6-666-abortions-carried-out-under-new-legislation-last-year-1.4292507
Hmmm.
Back in 2018 I predicted that there would be 9,500 Irish abortions in the first full year. There were 6,666; I guess I was wrong.
The scale may be appalling. I’m going to put a figure of 9,500 in the first full year. But I believe we can reduce the crisis pregnancies by improving sex education, cheaper contraception, and improved support for families.
I stand by my second sentence. We can reduce the numbers by improving sex education, cheaper contraception, and improved support for families.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/05/25/de-saturday-papers-262/#comment-1965671
A complex situation indeed News – one utterly unsuited to virtual abortion bans or making the procedure so restrictive that it actually costs more lives than it saves. Women deserve better. Women deserve trust and the ability to make their own decisions with good regulation and not bans, “heartbeat bills” or disastrous constitutional amendments that fetter doctors and obstetricians in their duties.
Woman do deserve better than abortion, yes.
Women deserve the freedom to make that choice themselves, without any say from anyone unconnected with such personal decisions. I can say with absolute certainty I don’t want any more children, and if I find myself pregnant again, I know – for my own sake – I will have an abortion. I don’t need anyone’s permission to make that decision, thankfully, except for my own.
I was told another pregnancy would kill me so every precaution will be made but in the terrifying event I did it’s unfortunately a no brainer, I have a responsibility to the family already here, sometimes it’s not a choice News.
In the vast majority of case it is a choice Janet.
my problem is a physical one but for some it is mental health, financial etc etc, no less real or important for the health of the Mother / Father or other existing children.
In the vast majority of case it is a choice Janet.
Yes. The choice of the mother and father. Nobody else.
You’d rather we exported the problem to Britain?
I’d rather humans had better solutions than aborting babies. And I’d prefer that my fellow humans respected the right to life of unborn humans. I understand not everyone thinks like that and voted accordingly.
Waffle
In the case of a 14 year-old girl who has has been raped by her uncle, I don’t think that forcing her to carry the pregnancy to term really counts as ‘respecting her right to life’, tbh.
We had 9 a day, that we know of. But you knew that, news. Have your faith your way, but do not expect someone you’ve never met to bend their life/body/future to your belief in fables.
No one mentioned religion. Respecting human life is, surely, something we can all agree on without dragging religion into it?
and that’s what it comes down to, respecting the Mother’s life
Yes. And the unborn human’s life.
9 per day that gave Irish details as they were exported to the UK. The statistics provided were always incomplete. More Irish women aren’t having abortions, the record are just more complete.
Sion Harris’ mess (and shrouded by his lies) – the National Maternity Hospital.
The sisters are revolting
Did Hazel and Bríd share the same megaphone… sanitized in between?… the irony of ending up in a religious controlled hospital with the covid… might wake up missing a kidney or something too…
Is a maternity hospital a place for pregnant women to have babies delivered safely?
because that’s all that matters ?
you’d be forgiven for thinking so based on aftercare for Mum as it stands
Is a maternity hospital a place for pregnant women to have babies delivered safely?
Not just that.
A maternity would also provide other gynaecological related services. IVF and other ways to help people have children. And also services to abort pregnancies.
Oh also neo-natal care. They look after babies up to 6 (I think) weeks old.
It seems unfair that the father should have any say in the decision given that the nine months of hardish labour surely trump the one or two hours of frenzied lovemaking? (That’s me trying to leaven the emotive baguette by giving the women a little something to snigger about)