Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer
Just go get a visual on this. The blue bars are actual cases since March 2020 and the big scary Red bar is what they are using to scare@DonnellyStephen @LeoVaradkar @MichealMartinTD https://t.co/ETVNaX14nY pic.twitter.com/EsLgATaPJi
— Conor (@RiochtConor2) November 18, 2021
Good grief.
Anyone?
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This a worst case scenario based on modelling, in this case if we were to do nothing. There were similar modelling predictions last year, based on what might happen if we didn’t lock down. And they didn’t occur, because we DID lock down.
The anti-vax/anti lockdown merchants appear to think this is an actual prediction and then throw their little baby toys out of the pram when the worst case scenario doesn’t happen.
What is their best and most likely predictions then?
https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1461014262797713408
shows multiple scenarios.
If it’s not an “actual prediction”, then by implication it is one that can never be proven, i.e. the basis for their predictions (their models) never get validated by actual real-world conditions. That leads many to question the value such predictions really have (aside from the one obvious and evident one of convincing people to nudgetheir behaviour to what NPHET want). It’s proven to be a better psychological than predictive tool.
It’s not supposed to be proven. It’s simply used to figure out what course of action needs to be taken to prevent our hospitals getting overrun by covid patients.
> It’s not supposed to be proven.
There you are then. It’s supposed to convince. And its worked too, on people like you, who are convinced … without proof.
Oh for crying out loud, what complete and utter nonsense. As ever with broadsheet, you’re convinced it’s some dopey conspiracy theory.
Why would they be trying to “convince” people? Do you actually believe there’s a massive conspiracy to lock people into their homes? Do you actually believe there’s a secret lizard society that are pulling the strings in a secret bunker?
They have to use modelling, because, believe it or not, they can’t actually predict the future. And believe it not, they can’t also traverse into separate dimensions to see if the alternative scenarios (for example, not locking down) would have worked. In fact, in the UK, some of the the modelling was roundly criticised and it actually turned out WORSE.
Okay Jim. So would you not concede that, if their modelling data is giving them reason to worry, then a much more logical response would be to introduce antigen testing as people enter premises such as bars or restaurants thereby ensuring everyone is safe and businesses can operate as normal?
Instead they have been continuously resistant to the introduction of antigen tests and instead have relied on an extremely flawed vaccine cert system which in no way shows whether someone is currently infected.
Given that all 45 deaths last week were ‘vaccinated’ – the best course of action to prevent hospitals becoming overrun, would have been to steer clear of the jabs.
But, too late that horse has bolted – and now people will be lining up for their ‘boosters’.
The level of ignorance from broadsheet anti-vaxxers is astounding.
No, what is astounding is the sheer stupidity of people who still haven’t got it. I know there has been an extensive propaganda campaign, but – to still be impervious to logic in the face of the unfolding reality around us requires something else.
Your claim of ‘ignorance’ is, in of itself ignorant of the fact that 0 deaths last week were unvaccinated.
Hi Chris, you said “Given that all 45 deaths last week were ‘vaccinated’”.
Please give a source on that, one of the most damming stats I’ve heard recently.
And I’ve heard a few ;-D
https://twitter.com/ODohertyFergal/status/1461275268929236998?s=20
Link to hspc is in the tweet. 41 Fully 4 Partially 0 Unvaccinated
Very annoying that the HSE only the shows the current report so that you can only work out the figures for the last week if you have saved a copy of the previous report. Are back reports available anywhere? I can’t find any so far.
A straightforward listing each week for deaths notified since the previous report, broken down by vaccination status, with the lists remaining accessible, would be a more open and honest approach.
Thanks, you the man ;-D
“ what might happen if we didn’t lock down. And they didn’t occur, because we DID lock down.”
This is the equivalent of – we did the rain dance and then it rained, so the rain dance must have worked.
We have no idea if lockdowns worked.
Wasn’t Holo on his holiers recently in Spain? Risky behaviour right there.
It is the 18th November. There is only data available up to 17th November. The chart is dishonest.
If the current 7 day average stays as it is the cases for November will be over 122,000. That would be more than double the October figures. The trend suggests it wouldn’t stay as it.
Have a look at the chart of cases for last winter though. You’ll also a massive spike.
Holohan said up to 400k but the person who made this dishonest chart has made the 400k bar go beyond the 400k marker. They really just can’t help themselves.
He also indicated that 200k is more likely with 400k as a worst case scenario. November is going to have 120k if the current rate remains. So that’s only another 80k cases and there is increased socialising in December.
The chart presents November figures when figures are only available up to 17th. It does so to make a dramatic images.
It is fundamentally dishonest.
And up to 400k is not beyond 400k.
Even with 100% vaccination I can’t see their big scary predictions being much different.Will it take 100% for people like Jim above to think for a moment.Maybe the vaccination is not all it’s cracked up to be.Difficult to swallow when you are committed to vaccination will make everything ok logic.
Another terrible day of naughty ninnies negging on this site.
Seriously all – have you nothing better to do with your lives?
It is so sad to see all 3 or 4 of you come in here and indulge your own worst impulses day in and out
Please talk to someone – anyone – a priest, a confidant, a friend, or ideally a professional