This morning.
Via Irish Times:
Parents who decide not to vaccinate their younger children against Covid-19 have been told they face a greater risk of missing school and other activities through contracting the virus.
The HSE, through an online information page, says: “If you decide not to get your child vaccinated, there is a greater risk they could get Covid-19.
“Their symptoms will most likely be mild if they get the virus, but they will still need to isolate from others. This means they may miss school and other activities.”
SE rolls out information campaign on children’s Covid vaccines (Irish Times)
Meanwhile…
How does this work when the vaccine clinical trials primary & secondary endpoints were concerned with symptom reduction, not blocking transmission? https://t.co/kbTECg5sQw
— BringBackNormal.ie (@BBN_Ireland) December 15, 2021
Anyone?
WE ARE CITIZENS. WE HOLD THE POWER OF THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED. WE DO NOT CONSENT TO BULLYBOY PRESSURE TACTICS OF STATE AGENCIES.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXERCISE OUR RIGHT TO EDUCATION FOR OUR CHILDREN AND FOR OUR CHILDREN TO PARTICIPATE FULLY IN SOCIETY.
THESE ARE BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. NO PERSON OR AGENCY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE OR LIMIT THESE RIGHTS.
WE ARE FREE CITIZENS OF A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC WITH INALIENABLE RIGHTS AND WILL BEHAVE AS SUCH,
“Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Freedom”
Corinthians 3:17
What’s with the religious nonsense at the end of the shouting?
+ park the god crap, it weakens your point.
REPENT at your leisure Child……..but do not take too long doing it
If you don’t sin then Jesus died for nothing!
ah I have given him plenty cause to be glad to die for so…and I repent nada
Do you LOVE, CHERISH, and VALUE your FREEDOM, Mark?
You left out Matthew, Luke and John.
Bless this site we comment on
If I post with a mistake
I pray the edit function my comment to take.
You don’t send your kids to school with the flu, why would you send them with covid?
I doubt they would, and I’m sure you would too if you though about it.
Plus two weeks… the common flu wouldn’t have a kid out of school for two weeks.
Nuance Nigel, nuance… Think before ya type, good lad.
‘Nuance Nigel, nuance’
Guess you didn’t read the comment I was responding to, or the article it was responding to. Context, Clampers, context.
We have our constitution that states the state cannot use coercion against any of its citizens
Until the EU over rides this constitutional law with EU law this state is violating our constitution
Sad thing is our president the defender of our constitution is failing to act and as such is failing our people
Bodger has been promoting vaccine disinformation for months now because he somehow thinks the vaccine has widespread side-effects that are being covered up in the media and the medical establishment. Similar to other conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact.
For example, he has got it into his head that there is a massive increase in the number of cardiac arrests by elite athletes. This is nonsense. There has been no increase. This is from a recent Irish Times article.
“A study published last December in the British Journal of Sports Medicine combined information from that Fifa registry with data from media monitoring for the years 2014-18. They found 475 instances of football-related sudden cardiac death across 67 countries, with a further 142 cases where a player suffered a cardiac arrest but survived.
In November, AFP asked the lead author of that study, Dr Florian Egger, to comment on Facebook reports of a surge in cardiac problems among players since the introduction of the Covid vaccines. Referring to the data he and his team had collected, he pointed out that even if the Facebook allegations about the number of incidents this year were to be accepted at face value, and the tally of cases extrapolated to cover the entire year of 2021: “there would still be fewer heart emergencies in football than in the pre-Corona year of 2018. The claim that this dynamic exists cannot be derived from our data or other international registry studies. There are no more deaths among footballers than before the Covid-19 pandemic.”
This year has been unusual for the high profile of the players who have suffered cardiac problems: Christian Eriksen and Sergio Agüero are two of the biggest stars of the last decade in the Premier League. But the claims about the role of the vaccine in such collapses proceed without any regard to the facts. The doctor at Eriksen’s club, Inter, announced that the player had not been vaccinated. Wigan did the same last month after the collapse of their striker Charlie Wyke with a cardiac arrest in training caused further fevered speculation.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-don-t-make-players-pawns-in-sad-and-bitter-covid-culture-war-1.4753604
This is the original research paper:
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2020/12/23/bjsports-2020-102368.info
Broadsheet has been promoting vaccine disinformation for months now because he somehow thinks the vaccine has widespread side-effects that are being covered up in the media and the medical establishment. Similar to other conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact.
For example, he has got it into his head that there is a massive increase in the number of cardiac arrests by elite athletes. This is nonsense. There has been no increase. This is from a recent Irish Times article.
“A study published last December in the British Journal of Sports Medicine combined information from that Fifa registry with data from media monitoring for the years 2014-18. They found 475 instances of football-related sudden cardiac death across 67 countries, with a further 142 cases where a player suffered a cardiac arrest but survived.
In November, AFP asked the lead author of that study, Dr Florian Egger, to comment on Facebook reports of a surge in cardiac problems among players since the introduction of the Covid vaccines. Referring to the data he and his team had collected, he pointed out that even if the Facebook allegations about the number of incidents this year were to be accepted at face value, and the tally of cases extrapolated to cover the entire year of 2021: “there would still be fewer heart emergencies in football than in the pre-Corona year of 2018. The claim that this dynamic exists cannot be derived from our data or other international registry studies. There are no more deaths among footballers than before the Covid-19 pandemic.”
This year has been unusual for the high profile of the players who have suffered cardiac problems: Christian Eriksen and Sergio Agüero are two of the biggest stars of the last decade in the Premier League. But the claims about the role of the vaccine in such collapses proceed without any regard to the facts. The doctor at Eriksen’s club, Inter, announced that the player had not been vaccinated. Wigan did the same last month after the collapse of their striker Charlie Wyke with a cardiac arrest in training caused further fevered speculation.”
This is the original research paper:
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2020/12/23/bjsports-2020-102368.info
Is someone robbing Peter to pay Steve?
Who to believe…. Steve or Peter?
…another Doppelclanger!
Will peter comment on steve’s post and vice versa?
Here’s hoping.
https://twitter.com/allconsmod/status/1471055411939876869
Tony Holohan and vaccine advise haven’t a good record.
“If you decide not to get your child vaccinated, there is a greater risk they could get Covid-19”
When will the HSE learn that by outright lying like this- in a manner that is so easy to highlight- they are severely undermining their general credibility.
The vaccines don’t offer 100% protection against Covid, but a vaccinated person is less likely to get infected than an unvaccinated person.
That’s bull Cian. Vaccinated people are as prone to get infected with Covid as unvaccinated.
Two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are 90% effective against COVID-19 hospitalisation for at least six months but only 47% effective against infection after that period, according to a new study.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-effectiveness-wanes-to-47-against-infection-after-six-months-12426406
According to this, an unvaccinated person is twice as likely to get infected then a person that got two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech 6 months ago.
Your turn: evidence that the vaccine provides zero protection.
And where does such reports take into account the waning percentages?
We are asked to believe that the efficacy against serious CoVid-19 disease rapidly nose dives- therefore more jabs- yet the potential inoculation against infectivity does not?
That is BS- the first thing to wane would be whatever protection against infectivity they claim to provide.
A vaccinated person is less likely to get infected than an unvaccinated person.
A vaccinated person is less likely to get infected than an unvaccinated person?
A vaccinated person is less likely to get infected than an unvaccinated person!
Them bones them bones gonna walk around
Them bones them bones gonna walk around
Now hear the word of the lord!
Are you under instructions to keep repeating that bull Cian? Give it up.
Ah, the old ad hominem.
You have no useful arguement against facts.
The fact is there is no correlation between vaccination and infection rates- zero.
Do you think they will inform parents about the 1 in 3000 children who will develop heart problems from this either (not to mention the subclinical problems)?
They don’t care about their credibility – they only care about their marching orders. Orders to inject your children.
Um, yes. yes they do
https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/get-the-vaccine/covid-19-vaccination-for-children/
and
https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/pfizer-biontech/side-effects/
I’m sure all parents, whose lives are as busy as yours, will be as determined as you to seek out that page and follow its links, rather than making their decision by the headlines of the TV/Radio blitz the HSE will actually ensure each parent receives. I’m also sure HSE won’t be advertising on public media their “very rare”, or “estimated” risks information of a mere “inflammatory heart condition” without explaining that the condition causes irreplaceable cellular damage to a developing child’s heart, and a tripling of the chance a *child* will have a heart attack within 5 years.
Still, your concern for the children of the nation is to be lauded, to be so on-top of where all the HSE’s information is to be found at hand so quickly, including their admission that experimental data being gathered on the injection of this nation’s children 5 to 11 is “very limited *so far*”
You can be proud of that, in the years ahead, and know you did a good job, when the real data starts hitting real children.
Why should this vaccine be different to every other medicine ever created?
If your doctor prescribes doxycycline for you they aren’t going to list through the whole list of possible side effects up to and including .”Anxiety” and “discolouration and/or lack of growth of teeth”. Reading through the side-effects would give anyone anxiety.
Oh, and when you go to get the vaccine you are handed a copy of the manufacturer’s package information to read, which includes all this information.
Cian – and will the leaflet also say the safety data “is very limited so far, just like every other medicine ever created?”
Muppet
If your kids are vaccinated and still contract Covid as many vaccinated adults have they will still need to isolate.
Vaccines aren’t a silver bullet and don’t stop transmission and certainly don’t remove the need to isolate.
HSE advice is different for kids that are vaccinated Vs unvaccinated.
If your child is a close contact of COVID-19
if child is vaccinated, you get antigen tests and restrict movement for 5 days (assuming antigen are clear)
if child is NOT vaccinated, you get 2 PCR tests and restrict movement for10 days (assuming PCR are clear)
https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/contact-tracing/if-your-child-is-a-close-contact/
So the message is accurate, if your child is not vaccinated they face a greater risk of missing school and other activities through contracting the virus.
Unless children are at risk vaccination does seem unnecessary. An extra five days at home with covid having no symptoms and they get greater immunity from having had the virus than they would get from a vaccine.
I don’t expect anything but belligerence from you on this topic but an extra week away from school seems a small sacrifice for a child to end up with greater immunity than they would have gotten from a jab which is ultimately a better path out of this pandemic than unending boosters.
No doubt that makes me a ratlicking Conspiraloon but to be honest the rabidly pro vax are just as insane as the tin foil hat Mob at this stage.
Message from Dr Robert Malone, creator of the mRNA vaccine technology:
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/between-the-forceps-and-the-stone
“Before you vaccinate your child, which is irreversible and potentially permanently damaging, find out why 16,000 physicians and medical scientists around the world signed a declaration publicly declaring that healthy children should NOT be vaccinated for COVID-19. On behalf of these MDs and PhDs, I have published a clear statement outlining the scientific facts behind this decision…”
He didn’t invent Mrna vaccines though. He did some early research and lies about inventing Mrna vaccines. A strange man.
He was the first working in the field- if that is not inventing then I don’t know what is.
He wasn’t just the first to discover cells could create proteins from MRNA, he was also first to develop and test the delivery mechanism of wrapping the mRNA in fatty droplets.
Those two ideas are the bedrock of mRNA vaccines.
And that can be found in any science journal on the topic.
Of course, with any scie ce practice development, he built on the work of others.
And the vaccines we have today, are built on the work of Malone.
That’s a given, but for sake of argument, I thought best to state I’m aware of that before some numpty goes off on one :)
In the 1980s, while a researcher at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, Malone conducted studies on messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) technology, discovering that it was possible to transfer mRNA protected by a liposome into cultured cells to signal the information needed for the production of proteins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone
That was well before any collaborations.
The Atlantic have an article that’s damning of him as a person, but still makes an admission of his substantial work.
Nature mag does another and gives fair credit to him.
There is plenty written on the man.
Agreed- no matter what way you look at it he is a heavy weight and an expert in the field. Picking on the inventor stuff is just deflection.
However one tries to spin it, there’s no denying that he was pioneer of the technology that current mRNA vaccines are all based on. He’s clearly an authoritative voice on the subject of the current Covid mRNA vaccines. But there’s been a series of hit pieces on him since he started publicly dissenting against the Covid orthodoxy, as to be expected.
Don’t let yourself get blinded by pedantry. Have you any input on the points he raises in his article?
The way I see it , a person don’t even need specialised expertise to appreciate that “the risk/benefit analysis isn’t even close” as he puts it -just to be able to think clearly. for oneself
Mad isn’t it? Any critical, sceptical or dissenting voice must be smeared and accused of having an ulterior motive, yet when Pfizer attempt to hide their vaccine shenanigans for fifty five years- it is tumbleweed.
The way I see it , a person don’t even need specialised expertise to appreciate that “the risk/benefit analysis isn’t even close” as he puts it -just to be able to think clearly. for oneself
This actually explains a lot about your attitude.
You can only do risk/benefit analysis if you have access to accurate data that quantifies the risks and the benefits (by gender and age group). These can change over time (vaccine efficiency drops / new variants appear / new treatments are available / more data appears on side effects of vaccine or Covid), .
Relying on YouTube, TikTok or Facebook for evidence isn’t thinking clearly for oneself.
And so it begins – the soft coercion to get your child vaccinated.
Remember, NIAC’s “recommendation” is that the vaccine be “offered” to the 5-11 cohort.
Watch again now how social pressure will be applied to make it an indispensable necessity in order to be considered a good parent to your child. They will even turn child against parent in order to get this injected into them. Despicable.
‘Offered’ is the word used by all governments. In other words, by accepting the offer you’re agreeing to not holding them nor the manufacturers to account legally.
Tosh. It is the standard definition: You are free to sue the government/manufacturers.
offer
/ˈɒfə/
verb: offer; present or proffer (something) for (someone) to accept or reject as desired.
It’s the opposite in the US. If they “mandate” a paediatric vaccine, it actually indemnifies the manufacturers/government in law – another reason for the push there to get down to administering Covid vaccine to newborns from 6 mths (already “trialing”), so they can lobby to get it on mandated paediatric vaccine list, and get exactly that domestic indemnification from the huge amount of potential claimants (of all ages) that will emerge from this fiasco.
That is moot. The US government has already provided Pfizer and Moderna immunity from liability if something unintentionally goes wrong with their vaccines (the PREP act).
It being mandatory or not is irrelevant.
I would have bought the vaccinated transmit the virus less, but I’m not finding this very reassuring from the WHO.
“There is also some evidence that being vaccinated will make it less likely that you will pass the virus on to others”
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-vaccines?adgroupsurvey={adgroupsurvey}&gclid=Cj0KCQiAweaNBhDEARIsAJ5hwbdexgnNiFKk-d0p__BDVD-qGBzY4ME5N_N8mIJNKwrkCv9ju8AxjFkaArDbEALw_wcB
“Some evidence” which is certainly not supported by the disconnect between vaccination and infection rates.
Looks like “natural immunity” isn’t a protection from Omicron.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=can+i+get+omicron+if+i+previously+had+covid&t=h_&ia=web
Yikes, let’s hope it’s not that lethal, as was stated by the docs in Africa.
“People who have previously had coronavirus could become reinfected more easily with this variant.”
So does that mean vaccinated and unvaccinated?
I know someone who contracted Hepatitis B, cleared it, got vaccinated. and tested positive again- yet Hepatitis B immunity is generally regarded as being for life.
No immunity is 100%- there is always outliers, because they are dependent on how robust an individual’s over all immune system is, but that is all they are- outliers.
This is basic virology.
The 100% Vaccination of society is nuts, we’ve not had that for any virus in the past yet somehow society didn’t collapse
But if all the early indictators of Omicron being a mild dose then it shouldn’t be an issue and it’s rapid spreadability should benefit everyone with regard to immunity.
The main issue, which has been seen in the media already, is the reporting of ‘with’ as ‘from’ or ‘of’.
IMO the main issues is why before injecting people with an experimental gene therapy with no long term safety data, they have no national screening program in place to ascertain who was previously infected.
The argument is it’s more transmittable, something like 400% so this would nullify the fact it’s less dangerous, through sheer numbers…but all of this has yet to be confirmed so best to just terrify the life out of everyone.
@Cian but so what if you get ‘reinfected’ with Omicron???