83 thoughts on “Monday’s Papers

  1. f_lawless

    I fully expect that bombing of the train station at Kramatorsk, Ukraine to be memory-holed pretty soon as the media focus turns to the next atrocity – at least, any independent investigation or investigative follow-up reporting is unlikely to occur and the event will only be invoked in the context of supposedly established evidence of Russian war crimes.

    From what I’ve read, I don’t think the case being made against Russia holds up to any real scrutiny and the available evidence available points firmly to Ukrainian forces being culpable. Adam Larson, provides a thorough forensic review of the supposed “Debunking of Russian Disinformation” by western corporate media outlets. Some excellent citizen journalism, in my opinion. Also, his account of the Mariupol hospital attack is the most comprehensive I’ve read.

    https://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2022/04/kramatorsk-rail-station-massacre.html
    (he started his work back during the Libyan civil war hence the name of his site)

          1. anti bot

            For some reason Bodger changed sexist to semester. Go on answer Mr I know everything because I spend all day on right wing websites. who invaded who? I reckon I’ve asked you 15 times. Yet to answer.

      1. Mr. T

        kind of – its these events that are supposed to be used as raison d’etre for further sanctions or western intervention in the conflict.

        If there were not bucha massacres or kramatorsk train bombings, eventually most of the west will forget about the whole thing. They need to keep 1uping the tragedy stakes though, soon most people will be weary of alleged war crimes too. Chemical weapons attacks soon I reckon

        1. Nigel

          Yes, before Bucha and the train station, we’d forgotten about the whole thing. The sanctions came in before these atrocities, but were also the result of these atrocities. Time’s arrow has finally found a way to loop-the-lopp.

        2. bisted

          …whatever pretext US and their proxy army use to intervene in Ukraine will immediately result in nuclear war…since sleepy Joe was Vice President US made cluster bombs have been used by Saudis in Yemen…3 million of them…phosphorus bombs made by the US are routinely dropped on the goldfish bowl that is Gaza by the zionists…the difference…Putin shoots back…

          1. bisted

            …yeah, yeah Nigel…you always seem to know who the good guys are…but…we’ll probably never know who shoots first, NATO or Russia…

          2. Nigel

            No, we do know. Russia shot first. Even people who claim the war started back in 2014 – Putin sent in men and arms and money to start the civil war. For feck’s sake were you so concerned about whether Saddam Hussein was ‘the good guy’ before Bush and Cheney invaded Iraq?

          3. bisted

            …it was Iraqs call on whether he was a good guy or otherwise…not Bush, Cheney, Blair…or me and you…

          4. Nigel

            Iraq was a dictatorship, like Russia, that’s not how dictatorships work, but that’s not the point.

          5. Dinkum

            Maybe it’s all part of the reset
            Never as far as I rember in 67 years have I seen such price gouging
            You would think Russia and Ukraine supply everything we buy
            But of course governments are doing SFA to protect their citizens from out and out profiteering
            Mind you it suits the narrative to have us up in arms as we sleepwalk into a world war

    1. Nigel

      Russia fired the missile and is now working over-time to claim that it was fired by Ukraine. That you find it more believeable that Ukarine would fire on its own staion, killing its own people, than that an invading Russian army would suggests how stunningly twisted your thinking has become. Invading Russian armies get the benefit of the doubt, apparently, Ukrainians defending their country from Russian invaders do not.

      1. Dinkum

        Nothing like propaganda it really spreads outrage
        I find it a bit puzzling why Russia would target a railway station full of children
        THERE IS AN URGENT NEED FOR INDEPENDENT MONITORS
        Plus a team from the UN war crimes to visit and examine all the evidence and as well to examine the corpses of those murdered

    2. Florrie

      It’s clear that the Chechnyans did it and are working with Ukraine to employ black ops against Russia.

    3. SOQ

      Also on the Ukraine topic is a short opinion piece by a John Platinum Goss- I know nothing about this guy, apart from that he has a nice slogan banner on his blog.

      It is near a given now that there are NATO instructors in the Azovstal and Illych factories. as confirmed in an interview by a Russian State Duma deputy Adam Delimkhanov, and floated by journalist Alex Christoforou in Cyprus.

      Goss is suggesting that this is the real reason why Johnson met with Zelenskyy and, there has already been a series of phone calls between Macron and the Kremlin apparently.

      Time will tell but if true, is not a great look for the NATO allies, because it proves what Russia has been saying all along.

      https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/04/10/what-did-johnson-and-zelensky-really-discuss/

      1. Nigel

        ‘as confirmed in an interview by a Russian State Duma deputy’

        That’s not a confirmation. That’s the opposite of a confirmation.

          1. Nigel

            Still not a confirmation. Also, I’m not sure anyone actually cares if they are there? They’re sending money and arms to support Ukraine, some instructors and advisers are hardly surprising.

          2. SOQ

            If it is true and confirmed before the second round of the French elections- the French electorate will have their say on how important they think it is.

          3. Nigel

            Yeah, i’m sure they will. More likely they’ll try to make them an issue during the elections before the whole thing dissipates, assuning they’re even that important to the elections.

      2. SOQ

        Also some queries about Johnsons trip and if he did actually go to Ukraine.

        Assuming he did take flight zz336, it just doesn’t add up.

        Flight ZZ336 – U.K. royal airforce
        Departed to Poland at 7h33
        Landed back in Brize Norton U.K. at 17h28

        Train journey Poland to Kiev: 7 hours each way

        https://www.radarbox.com/data/registration/ZZ336

        1. TenPin Terry

          Perhaps he pretended to have Covid so he could avoid meeting Zelenskyy in case Vlad bombed Blighty …

          1. SOQ

            “Assuming he did take flight zz336” I said- Logistics is now a conspiracy is it?

            Flight ZZ336 – U.K. royal airforce DID depart to Poland at 7h33 09/04/22.

      3. Florrie

        John Goss is the real deal. He is embedded like all good and real journalists. We can only hope that Western, Nazi supporting, Azov Battalion, Lockdown enthusiasts reporting on Ukraina can have the same Twitter bio that John The Real Deal Goss has:

        “Writer, journalist, poet, playwright, librettist, biographer, paper-maker, song-writer, home-maker.”

        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          Anything to Matt and Luke Goss of Bros?

          My Little SOQpuppet has moved on from Duran Duran to Bros!

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            Says the poster who uses obscure blogs as news!

            What does Smash Hits have to say about all this?

          2. paul

            Smash Hits latest edition has a sheet of 1000 stickers all detailing how Putin is the best and Ukraine were asking for it. SOQ is a fan.

  2. john f

    The Greens are hellbent on stopping all progress in this country. At a time of energy shortages and rising prices, they want to stop the domestic sale of a natural resource and further kill people’s heating and energy security. They are the geniuses that closed our peat fired power stations.
    This is far left levels of stupidity here. Because of the proportional representation system virtually every government is coalition. This is a blessing and a curse. The greens have far more influence on government policy than they should have considering their election results.
    Outside of the Oireachtas they organise serial professional planning objections to stifle business expansion, cripple transport in towns and cities and make it harder to attract foreign direct investment to this country.
    The Irish branch of the Green party regard themselves as being the Irish wing of a larger European green movement and do not really consider themselves to be beholden to the Irish public first and foremost.
    They are the party of globalism, internationalism and crippling levels of layered bureaucracy,
    it’s well past time for people to be getting verbally hostile about them and their policies.

    1. Nigel

      Yeah, we’ve got to let FF/FG get on with catastrophically bad planning, selling our housing stock to investment funds, putting the final nail in the coffin of our already over-exploted boglands, planting sitka spruce as far as the eye can see, crowding cattle into every monoculture field in the country, sheep to overgraze the highlands, sheath every runoff-poisoned waterway in concrete, cut down every available deciduous tree (and who gets the money from the wood, I wonder), strip out every hedge, build on a few more flood plains and install more data centres to soak up all the energy. I know who I prefer to get verbally hostile about. The Greens aren’t the problem, but they’ll do as a scapegoat, won’t they?

      1. Mr. T

        Those are real tangible problems Nige, that desperately need addressed now. Ecocide and habitat loss are the real destructive forces at play.

        The obsession with CO2 emissions is not . But yet the greens are obsessed with CO2 to the detriment of our ecology

        Sewage treatment, native forestry, natural flood management plans (look at leaky dams installed in donegal rivers – thats how to manage flooding). This is what we should be going gung-ho at, not carbon credit trading and encouraging the purchase of even more vehicles.

        1. Nigel

          The ‘obsession’ with CO2 emissions is pretty much the biggest threat to life on the planet, (Putin’s warmongering excepted) that’s all. But that actually doesnt matter. Anything you do to solve the other environmental problems will also help the CO2 problem – so it’s a false dichotomy. Everything else you say is spot-on.

      2. GiggidyGoo

        The Greens are the problem – for facilitating FFG destroy the lives of thousands. Let’s not forget Ryan and his diesel minibus, and him at the wheel, preaching to the rest eh?
        Get your green house in order – jettison Ryan – for a start, then the greens might be taken seriously.
        There is very little requirement for the thought process involved in taxing.

        1. Nigel

          Facilitating? The parties were democratically elected by the population of Ireland, apparently in order to destroy the lives of thousands. If you think the Greens are ‘the problem’ there then, yeah, just scapegoating.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            They had a choice – don’t to into government, or facilitate (as they are prone to do anyway) FFG.
            FFG do destroy the lives of thousands. be that from giving sops to the likes of Actavo etc., and they can’t do it without being facilitated by your greenie pals.

          2. Nigel

            They can’t do it without getting elected, and without the other parties determined to stay out of power.

          3. Nigel

            I’d say FF/FG are the problem. The only facilitating they need is from the elctorate, and from opposition parties who abjure power.

  3. TenPin Terry

    Lads – the remains of a lamb dhansak and an onion bhaji in two slices of doorstep white sourdough with grated extra muture cheddar and Frank’s Hot Sauce nuked in a George Foreman is the absolute dog’s bollocks when you’re monged.

    1. Mr. T

      How do you “nuke” something in a George Foreman?

      Has he branched out into molecular physics??

  4. GiggidyGoo

    So, Michilín, take the bull by the horns. What Watt did was totally out of order. Stop trying to smooth it over as another ‘lesson to be learned’, or if it is a lesson to be learned, make that lesson the jettison of Watt (all €294,000+ of him ) and maybe some more might get the message (that’s of course if you want to send them a message in the first place)

    1. Otis Blue

      Amid all these controversies, Watt still finds time to serve as an independent director on the board of the FAI and as the Chair of its Audit, Risk Compliance and Finance Committee.

      Some man for one man.

      1. V aka Frilly Keane

        Total speculation here
        But
        Could it be that with the FAI having had a complete transformation be the reason he’s been giving a free run at things in the Dept of Health
        Or Angola, If you prefer

        It’s no coincidence anyway

        1. Mad

          Do you really think it’s a complete transformation V?
          As Bob Dylan sang when you ain’t got nothin, you got nothin’ to lose

  5. TenPin Terry

    Both the IT and Examiner running stories on the growing alarm in Leinster House at the flow of Ukrainians into the country.
    Some 21,000 refugees have now arrived from Ukraine with13,000 being put up in 3,000 State-provided hotel and B&B rooms.
    They’re now running out of commercial accommodation to house them and the number of public pledges of help “ is not as large as originally anticipated ”
    And this is just the start.
    Exactly where do you house 100,000-200,000 refugees ?
    And what happens when the tourist season gets underway and there’s no vacant accommodation ?
    Still waiting for Mehole O’Baldrick’s cunning plan …

    1. Mad

      I’ve told you already the answer to that
      We are a convenient staging point for them
      Until they get to the UK

    1. SOQ

      Yes Clare Daly and I were at the front- well Clare was leading and I was just bringing a bit of ‘far right’ glamour- as you do.

      Bit concerned about your compadres in the steel factory I expect? Any radio active type nasty stuff to declare?

      All overseen by the extremely competent Liz Truss no doubt- how did it work our for the volunteers she was encouraging to go fight?

  6. Fearganainm

    Teachers say they no longer want police based in schools after Child Q outrage

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/apr/11/teachers-say-they-no-longer-want-police-based-in-schools-after-child-q-outrage

    “…Noting that Child Q had not been in possession of drugs, Kebede said: “I know a place where 11 in 12 toilets tested positive for cocaine. It’s a place where there is a 24-hour police presence. It’s called the Houses of Parliament. Why are [the Met] strip-searching children and not strip-searching MPs?”…”

    1. Mad

      For how long more are you planning to soil the comments section with your excretions Feargan?

  7. Fearganainm

    VAT on energy bills to be cut to 9% as part of new package of cost of living measures

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/vat-on-energy-bills-to-be-cut-to-9pc-as-part-of-new-package-of-cost-of-living-measures-41543429.html

    “VAT on electricity, gas and heating oil bills will be temporarily cut to 9% as part of a new set of cost of living measures aimed at addressing the on-going energy crisis. With electricity and fuel bills skyrocketing, the Government leaders and their senior ministers held emergency talks to discuss the crisis. They were shown official analysis which suggested they can the reduce the current 13.5% VAT rate on electricity and gas without being found in breach of EU rules on taxes…”

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