Eamon Ryan says the Government has NOT paused plans to ban the sale of turf, merely that it will have worked on finer details before plans announced in September. People who own bogland will still be able to cut turf on their land; clampdown is on industrial sale and distribution pic.twitter.com/1LeuaUSl4f
— Gavan Reilly (@gavreilly) April 14, 2022
This morning.
Earlier…
From top: Eamon Ryan and Paschal Donohoe
This morning.
Via BreakingNews:
Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe has said that the Government will consider a detailed report about turf burning after Easter at which time a decision will be made about the proposed ban on the sale of turf.
Speaking on RTÉ radio’s Morning Ireland, Mr Donohoe said that no proposal in relation to a pause on the ban, as reportedly advocated by the Tánaiste, had come to Government.
However, on Newstalk Breakfast Green Party leader Eamon Ryan said there would be no pause in plans to ban the sale of turf. The comment by Mr Varadkar had been made at a Fine Gael meeting, not at a public meeting, he added.
Mr Ryan said that the concerns that people would be criminalised needed to be addressed and the details of the regulations better communicated.
Anyone?
No proposal to pause turf ban has come to Government, says Donohoe (BreakingNews)
Meanwhile…
“It is the case, as we move through this year and maybe beyond this, that we won’t be able to insulate our people, our economy, entirely from the effect of the war in Ukraine and what that means in effect for the price of energy,” says Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe pic.twitter.com/F30QUX0uF9
— RTÉ News (@rtenews) April 14, 2022
Um.
This morning.
As they ban turf cutting in this country and selling it that means all imported peat products must be banned
But of course they will not
The hypocrisy from Ryan and our EU KAPOs is deafening
Precisely.
It’s ok to import turf with all the extra costs, including carbon cost, but not to produce it here.
Just like it was ok to encourage dirty diesel-burning cars and mercury-containing lightbulbs.
Our green party has about as much sense as a poodle.
Nah, feck that. If people are going to keep voting in environmentally destructive parties with most of the power, and one environmentally-friendly party with a tiny sliver of power, then of course their efforts are going to end up looking like thus. if this annoys you, demand the environmentally destructive parties change. It’s almost as if youclaim to hate things the way they are but hate any effort at changing things even more. No wonder or politics has stagnated.
Nigel, the ‘green’ party is not remotely ‘environmentally friendly’. They are a bunch of half wits on a bandwagon, and no matter how stupid they prove themselves to be, and they have and continue to prove that in spades, every 10 years a new generation of innocents comes along to vote for them before they realise they are a shower of gobshites, hypocrites and idiots. That’s the truth of the matter. There are so many impactful measures Ryan could take but he chooses virtue signalling over a measure that causes great distress and arguably actually increases carbon emissions.
Of course, you’d say that about any environmentally conscious party, because some people don’t actually take the environment seriously and see any effort to save it as fundamentally infantile, set against the real politics of business as usual – feck everything up to make money. There are real impactufl measures Ryan could pursue – but he’s in coalition with parties that actively hate the environment and think the same way you do, so he has to take what he can get. The reason I’ve come to dislike Ryan, abd the reason the Greens might not survive him, is because he SHOULD be furious about it, he should be a thorn in the side of the coalition, not a simpering spokesman, instead he goes along to get along.
(Okay, sorry, maybe YOU don’t think that way about the environment – but the attitude seems pervasive.)
So Cú Chulainn, what are these impactful measures he should take?
The list is endless SB and not for here just now. Nigel, if you’ve ever read any of my posts re the environment you will see that I am an original eco warrior and previous very active supporter of the Green Party. So, I actually know what I’m talking about. The Green Party are not environmentally conscious. They are salary hunters and fools. They bring environmental concern into ridicule. The current turf ban is an absolute joke. Not thought through. No care for people, mostly elderly and isolated, who can’t understand why they are being targeted. There is a minuscule reduction in carbon from this decision, and arguably it increases carbon emissions as imports are allowed. These imports add to the tax take, which is where the Green Party are completely focused on. It does nothing but make people roll their eyes at Ryan’s buffoonery and tar all measures with the same stupid brush.
Yes, i regretted attributing that attitude to you as soon as I’d written it, sincere apologies.
No bother Nigel, we are after the same things, I think I might be older and more disappointed…
Nigel Go to your local supermarket and see all the plastic on the food
Infact go to Tesco and dunnes and see all the plastics as well on non food items
The amount of plastic bottles which contain micro plastic beads that are not just adding to global warming but contributing to diseases like cancer
Now when we can achieve the simple thing like no plastic on your shopping then I will take these carbon taxes that are gouging us seriously
And when you get adverts from Ryan air claiming to be carbon neutral and now easy jet I might just trade in my massive carbon footprint range rover diesel stop burning coal and stop complaining about this carbon poo
Another thing is trading carbon credits on the stock markets should be banned and industries that are anything but environmentally friendly able to access carbon credits and as such do nothing to be environmentally friendly sums it all up as a tax raid on the consumer
I think all air travel should be taxed to oblivion as this is the biggest offender next to a Chinese coal powered power station
And yet fuel for your car is taxed to hell but not one tax on aviation fuel which is another dose of hypocracy
I don’t accept that we have to do one thing before we do this other thing. So long as people keep electing FFFG that’s just the way it’s going to have to be – piecemeal.
…FFG represent half the electorate and they will always have lackies like the greens to provide the third leg of the stool…opportunists like the greens or labour will always supply that leg if they hold the balance of power…if all else fails they can fall back on the gene pool…you had one chance SF and you blew it…
You mean take the opportunity to go into power and acheive something, however small? Because none of the other parties seem to want that.
It’s not about turf.
It’s about control.
Next they’ll be after your garden vegetables.
and the minister with the REAL control is donohoe.
A very scary character indeed.
Think he’s ill, something definitely wrong with him,
The new minister for hardship
I think a national day of everyone burning their garbage should be done to send government a message
Reinstate the turf power stations until this emergency is over or maybe the government needs to tackle price gouging
I see it every day from the massive increases in everything from propane to beef mince to lamb to vegetables to energy
Only yesterday I bought ginger purée and it had gone up 100%
I was talking to farmers and they are having a job to get a decent price from the food processors who are raising their prices of up to 50%
Let’s keep fecking up the environment – that’s sure to make everything better.
well I know where they will find my courgettes replanted
We’ll beet them if we romaine calm.
lettuce never surrender!
Agreed
I’m romaineing sangwidge about it.
Hopefully this won’t re-peat on me.
In the meantime I will grin and pear it
What will they be after them for? A stall at the local market?
This idiot really is Ireland’s answer to Biden.
https://www.tiktok.com/@its_tommy_boy76/video/7085615322887163142
https://www.tiktok.com/@empiricaluniversity/video/7086057497664032005
Biden has a stutter and has overcome it very well.
Ryan is many things but an idiot is not one,your childish constant personal comments and attacks against ALL Irish elected representatives truly lowers the tone,its just cringy and infantile.
Let’s face soq really does have mental health problems. Every qanon conspiracy he jumps on. Every Trump theme he is on. Him and his other names like bisted and mad. He’s also a sexist pig. Can’t understand why bs allows him to post unless for clicks
Says the anonymous troll who does nothing but hurl abuse around to amuse himself.
That is most definately not just a stutter- the man clearly loses his train of thought.
He is green from the neck up and in reality a modern day baldrick
What time is the “Staying in tomorrow?” ad from RTE appearing so I can be out and miss the announcement about Jason Byrne, Barry Keoghan, Marian Keyes, Brendan Gleeson, and music by Sharon Shannon and Christy Dignam?
Imelda May robbed again.
…I’ve been going fishing in Mayo for many years…you don’t have to travel too far from Ballisodare heading for Ballina before you catch the faint scent of turf fires…to me it says welcome to Ireland West…just like the corncrake, cuckoo or curlew used to do…the greens in government have been flying a flag of convenience…not content with betrayal of their voters, they seem only interested in low hanging fruit…
Ironically, the destruction of boglands is contributing to the extinction of at least one of those birds, so not so much low-hanging fruit as trying to tackle a huge interlinked multifaceted problem with minimal power and very little real support from environmentally destructive coalition partners.
…the ecological damage done by the release of mink by so-called eco warriors has been immeasurable…the phenomenon of setting whole mountain sides on fire with deliberate gorse fires is obscene…especially as everyone locally knows who is responsible…the greens could do so much but instead they will do blah blah blah…
You mean the release blamed on eco-warriors by mink farmers?
Oh yeah, they could do so much. If they had more power and more environmentally friendly coalition partners. Pity the other parties keep deciding to sit things out and go blah blah blah from the sidelines.
On one level I’m happy with Ryan coming out with this poo, every time he comes out with it he loses more voters and so do his coalition partners.
This is a direct attack, particularly on FFs elderly rural supporters who can no longer cut their own turf and buy it in.
I predict a significant drop in FFs support in the next poll in the over-65 age group.
‘so do his coalition partners.’
See, I do not think you could be more wrong. FFFG voters will happily let Ryan be the scapegoat for this, even though it refelcts a fundamental unseriousness about energy issues on the part of those parties.
Not the elderly ones who buy turf every year because they are no longer able to cut it themselves, Niggle. They will see this as a direct attack on them even if the measure is watered down to nothing.
And not the suppliers who cut turf for them, they will also be up in arms.
This measure will be kibboshed quickly, but the fear generated in these vulnerable older voters by Ryan will remain.
So fupping what joker? We should literally stay in the Stone Age because a few old codgers refuse to change? Get off the stage
You’re not really contradicting me with any of that, to be honest.
ministerial turf wars
Whether ye like it or not
Including the messengers
It has to be done
Plus Carbon Taxes
OK they’re all going about it bottomways, and they couldn’t be more clumsey about it all if they tried
but that comes from appeasing all the BlueShirt interests + staying tight with FF in true faith to the Confidence and Supply agreements
But mostly – its from having to come up with work arounds to deal with lads that have pulled the ladder up behind them,
like say the IFA
That can be PR’ed spun and crisis managed by sleight of hand
That con that kinda looks and sounds like this, using the IFA as a base line btw
Ok look at Eamon Ryan making a buck eejit of himself again
But don’t look at us and our CEO’s 5 grand a week or our President’s 2.5k a week, especially when farming income is an average of less than 500 yoyos for the same week
Did we tell ye we can get ye better prices for beef if ye stick with us
When Ryan air can buy carbon credits they will never reform
It’s time carbon tax is put on every flight and instead of buying carbon credits to offset their pollution they are left exposed to fines as the present system dose nothing to actually reduce carbon emissions the result is more carbon footprints
Carbon credits should be banned and out of the fines levied on polluters trees are planted to suck more carbon out of the atmosphere
We cannot even ban plastic on food items and plastic bottles so it’s all poo
All the big drinks brands use plastic bottles rather than the old glass bottle that was collected by the drinks manufacturer and reused or disposable glass bottles disposed now in a bottle bank
The main offenders of plastics washing up on beeches world wide is Coca Cola and the sheer volume of plastic is destroying sea life
It’s time this was tackled before they start upping the carbon taxes on the general population as industry just passes it along and still make their profits and of course nothing changes
Just FYI, I broadly agree with everything you say here.
I know! It’s bizarre when that happens isn’t it?
They could start by removing all the subsidies on Airline Fuel
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/airlines-enjoy-634m-tax-break-via-exemptions-forjet-fuels-40256969.html
And the Fishing Industry are the biggest fly tippers across the oceans.
Not consumers of soft drinks and bottled water
Watch Seaspiracy, make no excuses, just watch it
I think it should be nominated for a Nobel btw
Great comment in fairness
What’s baking this weekend?
Bog Cuttings more like
He should ban the sale of avocados, which would probably save double the amount of carbon compared to a turf ban.