Sacred And Secular [Updated]

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This afternoon.

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Earlier…


The Sisters of Charity are the sole shareholders of the St Vincent’s Healthcare Group which the Department of Health said will be the “sole owner of the new hospital” which is to be built on a site at Elm Park, Dublin 4

This morning.

Letter from St Vincents Hospital Group to the Oireachtas Health Committee who are meeting this afternoon to discuss the National Maternity Hospital relocation.

Meanwhile…

Meanwhile…

Róisín Shortall

…this morning.

Social Democrats Health Spokesperson Róisín Shortall said:

“The cabinet must not sign off on the national maternity hospital deal tomorrow when a number of significant questions remain unanswered

“Those questions are…”

SVHG Financial Position:

“SVHG previously used the State-funded public hospital as collateral to develop its private hospital and commercial car park. It did this without the knowledge of the State. A clause in the draft lease raises questions about whether SVHG would be able to do this again – and take out finance using the national maternity hospital site and hospital as collateral. This is particularly concerning given it must shortly refinance loans it used to construct its private hospital.”

Vatican Permission:

“We know that the Vatican had to give permission to the Religious Sisters of Charity to dispose of its shareholding in SVHG. However, the conditions attached to that disposal have never been disclosed. In fact, the government has stated that nobody on the State side ever even asked to see the Vatican documents assenting to this disposal. Why not?

Clinically Appropriate:

“There is now broad agreement, even among those who support this project, that the term clinically appropriate is vague and open to misinterpretation. Despite this, there is a marked reluctance to define this term in the legal documents. Instead, SVHG has provided a legally inert letter of comfort to the government while Health Minister Stephen Donnelly has offered to define the term in a further legally inert letter to the Health Committee. Why is there such reluctance to define this crucial term in the only place that matters – the legal agreements, which have not been entered into yet?”

Indemnity:

“The Sisters of Charity have now been indemnified by SVHG – the proposed landlords of the new national maternity hospital. However, the terms of that indemnity deal have never been published. We have no idea how extensive that indemnity is or what the implications for the taxpayer may be – given the new national maternity hospital will be part of St Vincent’s Holdings, which owns SVHG.”

Business Case:

“The cabinet is reportedly intent on signing off on this deal tomorrow – before the business case for the hospital has even been approved. Why is there such an unseemly rush to push this deal through cabinet, when the Department of Public Expenditure has yet to approve the business case for the new hospital and we have no indication of how long that process will take?”

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27 thoughts on “Sacred And Secular [Updated]

  1. Boe_Jiden

    Disgusting, the land should be seized and given back to the people for a public hospital

    1. Toby

      Whats disgusting is that the hatred of those who spout on about compassion and care should prevent proper healthcare for women. When idealogical activists over rule medical doctors, we are in trouble.

      1. Darrens

        There are many reasons why some may view a women’s maternity hospital to be outside of the proven expertise of a catholic religious group. From a purely reputational standpoint they have not shown to reflect wider societal values and have used their existing position to leverage their unwillingness to adapt to the market. The TD rosin shortall has laid out numerous places where there is reason to see beyond hate and allow simply a sensible review on the facts as they appear. What sort of trouble might it lead to if those answers were satisfied?

    2. Kin

      and our political leadership want us to swallow this pill
      And what happens if in the future finally this order of nuns are called account and sued to the point they are bankrupted?
      You got it all their assets can be sold off to pay their debts
      Including a state of the art hospital paid for by the taxpayer
      I wonder can the state be charged with treason

      1. scottser

        ‘I wonder can the state be charged with treason’

        hey david, your IQ test came back –
        it’s negative.

        1. Kin

          The state or government is elected to rule our country for us the people so
          I presume they could be accused of treason
          Betrayal of the people and that is treason

          1. Mad

            It’s a crime against the state actually
            Why can’t you ever shut the fupp up David?

    3. Kin

      So now they are saying they must keep the land for the sake of protecting patients
      Of 6577 abortions carried out in the republic last year
      The minister has refused to reveal how many abortions or terminations have been carried out in the st vincents hospital but figures like 5 to 6 have been mentioned
      As for the Mather hospital the priest spokes man has mentioned numbers close to a big fat 0 stating it’s about saving lives
      This hospital project must be terminated

  2. Ian - oG

    No matter how many letters they send, no matter how many time Mehole scrunches up his nose and does that bunny face of his, nobody believes that this will truly be 100% secular.

    In 10 years from now when another Savita Halappanavar case arises we will be told those letters of ‘comfort’ had no legal standing.

    As George W Bush said ”can’t get fooled again…..”

    1. Toby

      Whats also disgusting is that poor Savita is being dragged out once again like fodder in some campaign of zealous hatred. You know the results of the inquiries, or else you ignore them just to use Savita as a battering ram. Shame on you.

      1. Kin

        Toby
        Savita died because those working in that hospital and the hospital cared more about their religious ethics than the patient
        I assume they still have their jobs
        Savita was left to die
        This can never happen again
        And spending over a billion of public money on a hospital the church will own is simply criminal

        Of course the consultants and management want to work in a state of the art hospital with all the bells and whistles but tough for them
        Their concern is their patients not religious orders
        And until the land is transferred to the state and one company not a whole multi tier of them
        Which by the way if malpractice and mess ups happen and the patient sues for damages
        Who can you sue ?

  3. jonjoker

    What I can’t get my head around is how agreements – contracts – signed by the State and its various arms can remain private. This allows so much dodgy stuff to pass without inspection.
    It also allows people who win a contract honestly to keep repeating the contract because nobody else ever knows the details that allowed them to win in the first place.

    Complete madness, all in a day’s work. Or at least all in a golden circle.

    1. Kin

      The state must be stopped
      Maybe if every country went on a tax strike withholding every bit of revenue from them they might sit up and notice
      This project must be blocked full stop
      Government cannot be trusted and that being the case cannot be allowed to govern

      1. Steph Pinker

        … speaking of ‘blocked’ – male sterilisation procedures won’t happen either, but at least the tadpoles won’t be hanging around on street corners after a sneeze :/

          1. Steph Pinker

            Interesting! However, I was thinking more Delboy and Rodney…

            Nonetheless, in utero siblings in humans and other mammals can consume each other and survive with some biological and physical characteristics remaining throughout a life cycle.

  4. RuilleBuille

    The Religious Sisters of Charity are a malevolent bunch who cannot be trusted an inch.

    They have never contributed a penny to the survivors fund.

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