What’s this post about. We are one the “home” nations.
joj
No self respecting Irishman would use that term, Christ not being ignorant of our history doesn’t make you some RA head shinner, no need to compensate
,Anomanomanom
What are you rambling about, are you of those patriotic British football team supporters who loves to see England lose. Your the ignorant one or maybe just a bigot. The home nation term is meaningless, it’s just used to describe our selves and nearest neighbours. Your not a self respecting irish man if your faux outrage comes out over two words HOME NATION.
classter
I’m pretty sensitive abou these matters generally – I detest the term British Isles.
But I’m pretty sanguine about ‘Home Nations’. Is it really so bad?
Eire doesn;t bother me neither
Bertie Blenkinsop
Tell James McClean that… I dare ya.
The People's Hero
As he bites the hand that feeds him…..
bertie blenkinsop
You think he should wear a poppy then?
The People's Hero
He does take the Queen’s shilling so to speak….
Bertie Blenkinsop
You think he should wear a poppy though?
The People's Hero
Why not? 800 years of repression is a bull$h1t reason.
MoyestWithExcitement
How about ‘the British army shot dead 13 innocent civilians in my home town in 1972’ as a reason?
The People's Hero
If the poppy was a motif singularly created to support and to celebrate British past and continuing military endeavor, you might think that you have a point. But it’s not, and you know that. So don’t be so dogmatically obtuse.
classter
But the poppy essentially is ‘support and to celebrate British past and continuing military endeavor, ‘
That it is how it is used.
In a celebratory, nationalistic British sort of way.
MoyestWithExcitement
+1 Although I’d say it can mean different things to different people. Conor McGregor had a bit of controversy a while back when he laid in to some fella on social media who called him out for wearing a poppy. His interpretation was that it meant all soldiers and all wars, but, it is a British military emblem and it’s perfectly ok to choose not to pay respect to it if you or your friends or family have had bad experiences at their hands.
The People's Hero
Tell that to the Canadians. The Anzacs…. And the Irish for that matter. There are many, many dead Irish men in buried the fields of Flanders. I suppose they should continue to rot in their graves? It’s this teeny weenie parochial mindset that is anchored in the Irish psyche that is both immature and again, dogmatically obtuse.
Otis Blue
And Shane Duffy and Marc Wilson. We can leave Darron Gibson aside for now.
mauriac
I hate that empire throwback ,”home nations” bulls**t .
Plus on beinsports English language feed it was the irish this and the irish that for us but always just Italy for the Italian team.
Rugbyfan
whatever, we know who we are! same crap during rugby world cups etc. leave them at it!
moould
home nation, as in home of soccer – i.e. oldest FAs are England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland
this isn’t a ‘British Isles’ thing – it’s accurate
Waddy Dilson
If it were a British Isles thing it would also be accurate. that is a geographical term, albeit one that is slightly outdated but in practice is very much used, it is not a political term.
classter
No, it is not merely a geographic term.
It has political origins & its continued use is poltical in nature too.
pendaticduck
It’s used in many contexts other than football including sports not originating in the UK.
ahjayzis
I think it’s an affectionate term, nothing to do with Empire, the 5 bits of these islands have more in common than things that separate us, and everywhere you go you’ll be treated as a citizen – i.e. I get a vote today, Brits get a vote in Ireland. We’re legally not foreigners in each others countries, that’s pretty homey.
Harry Molloy
Agreed. It seems the English like us a lot more than we like them.
jeremy kyle
They just liked the land we were standing on, wha?
Chillax & enjoy the footie. Outrage can be kept for the Brexit result if they decide to leave.
Kieran NYC
+1
mauriac
did you read that ? ROI football specifically excluded.
Grace
I saw that last night – the cheek of that Offaly born Guardian journalist!
I was in Brighton a couple of weeks ago and a Tesco I passed had big posters in the windows listing the fixtures of all the home nations, including the Republic. Such a weird sight, you would never see something similar in an Irish Tesco.
Yeah, Ok
I have absolutely no problem with the football team being referred to as a home nation. In fact, I wish they’d bring back the home nations tournament because it would be great for player development. It gives us an extra layer of support in competitions too. If people are too petty to see beyond old colonial bitterness for a stupid football term they need to have a long, hard look at themselves.
As alluded to above, the British are including Ireland in all their talk of home nations teams in a genuinely affectionate way. Time to remove those chips on the shoulders lads.
“Home Nations” is the British equivalent of Japan’s “Home Islands”, it’s not the “home of soccer” and like Japan’s phrasing, it’s interchangeable with the name of the state. It’s why “British Isles” is an outdated term, it implies sovereignty over the area described.
British people who use this phrase are inevitably a little unclear about Ireland’s independence, hence the references you’ll hear to “the Irish” rather than “Ireland” because we’re seen as an ethnicity within the British rather than a separate state.
milkteeth
Have you ever been to the UK? I don’t think anyone is unclear on Irelands independence there…
Many times; one person wanted to know why I said my phone was roaming when I was there and from there, I discovered he thought we were independent like Scotland i.e. we have our own parliament but not like, y’know, France.
Eventually I told him we sit between Iraq and Israel in the UN, which kind of sealed the deal for him.
Plenty British people don’t think we’re actually fully-independent and not linked politically in any way.
St. John Smythe
& plenty of people in the US think the earth was created 3000 years ago. Yes, there are stupid people everywhere. I recently read a young English woman (incidentally with an Irish family-name) arguing on Facebook that the trouble in the North, and between the North and the South (according to her account), was ALL just to do with fighting Catholics and Protestants, and that the British had no hand in it ever. This was what she was always told growing up by her parents. She went on to lecture everyone in the thread, wondering why the Catholic south wouldn’t let the Protestant North join them, and bemoaning that there had to be civil war between north and south. No attempts to correct her or suggest she reads just ONE history book would be entertained by her. I wish I could dig up the thread.
Kieran NYC
Wow, that’s depressing
pendaticduck
Yes actually. Also they generally think we’re the same. They often don’t understand that we have our own cultural identity that they aren’t part of. They often don’t see slagging us off as different to slagging of other English people from other cities.
home nation? i dont get it? #badatsports
Home as in UK, I’m guessing.
Be outraged anyway, it’s more fun.
What about Scotland then?
Feck ’em.
A Scotsman walked into a bar. Usually there would be an Irishman, Welshman and Englishman there but they’re all at the Euros.
Andy: excellent.
ah yes. i see. anyone else wonder if after the Brexit the UK will turn its great glowing eyeball towards former colonies? like…ireland?
Here’s what this proud blueshirt thinks we should do for a start:
http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/ireland-should-rejoin-the-commonwealth-says-roscommon-senator-34821102.html
What’s this post about. We are one the “home” nations.
No self respecting Irishman would use that term, Christ not being ignorant of our history doesn’t make you some RA head shinner, no need to compensate
What are you rambling about, are you of those patriotic British football team supporters who loves to see England lose. Your the ignorant one or maybe just a bigot. The home nation term is meaningless, it’s just used to describe our selves and nearest neighbours. Your not a self respecting irish man if your faux outrage comes out over two words HOME NATION.
I’m pretty sensitive abou these matters generally – I detest the term British Isles.
But I’m pretty sanguine about ‘Home Nations’. Is it really so bad?
Eire doesn;t bother me neither
Tell James McClean that… I dare ya.
As he bites the hand that feeds him…..
You think he should wear a poppy then?
He does take the Queen’s shilling so to speak….
You think he should wear a poppy though?
Why not? 800 years of repression is a bull$h1t reason.
How about ‘the British army shot dead 13 innocent civilians in my home town in 1972’ as a reason?
If the poppy was a motif singularly created to support and to celebrate British past and continuing military endeavor, you might think that you have a point. But it’s not, and you know that. So don’t be so dogmatically obtuse.
But the poppy essentially is ‘support and to celebrate British past and continuing military endeavor, ‘
That it is how it is used.
In a celebratory, nationalistic British sort of way.
+1 Although I’d say it can mean different things to different people. Conor McGregor had a bit of controversy a while back when he laid in to some fella on social media who called him out for wearing a poppy. His interpretation was that it meant all soldiers and all wars, but, it is a British military emblem and it’s perfectly ok to choose not to pay respect to it if you or your friends or family have had bad experiences at their hands.
Tell that to the Canadians. The Anzacs…. And the Irish for that matter. There are many, many dead Irish men in buried the fields of Flanders. I suppose they should continue to rot in their graves? It’s this teeny weenie parochial mindset that is anchored in the Irish psyche that is both immature and again, dogmatically obtuse.
And Shane Duffy and Marc Wilson. We can leave Darron Gibson aside for now.
I hate that empire throwback ,”home nations” bulls**t .
Plus on beinsports English language feed it was the irish this and the irish that for us but always just Italy for the Italian team.
whatever, we know who we are! same crap during rugby world cups etc. leave them at it!
home nation, as in home of soccer – i.e. oldest FAs are England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland
this isn’t a ‘British Isles’ thing – it’s accurate
If it were a British Isles thing it would also be accurate. that is a geographical term, albeit one that is slightly outdated but in practice is very much used, it is not a political term.
No, it is not merely a geographic term.
It has political origins & its continued use is poltical in nature too.
It’s used in many contexts other than football including sports not originating in the UK.
I think it’s an affectionate term, nothing to do with Empire, the 5 bits of these islands have more in common than things that separate us, and everywhere you go you’ll be treated as a citizen – i.e. I get a vote today, Brits get a vote in Ireland. We’re legally not foreigners in each others countries, that’s pretty homey.
Agreed. It seems the English like us a lot more than we like them.
They just liked the land we were standing on, wha?
Being the pedant that I am:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Nations
Chillax & enjoy the footie. Outrage can be kept for the Brexit result if they decide to leave.
+1
did you read that ? ROI football specifically excluded.
I saw that last night – the cheek of that Offaly born Guardian journalist!
I was in Brighton a couple of weeks ago and a Tesco I passed had big posters in the windows listing the fixtures of all the home nations, including the Republic. Such a weird sight, you would never see something similar in an Irish Tesco.
I have absolutely no problem with the football team being referred to as a home nation. In fact, I wish they’d bring back the home nations tournament because it would be great for player development. It gives us an extra layer of support in competitions too. If people are too petty to see beyond old colonial bitterness for a stupid football term they need to have a long, hard look at themselves.
As alluded to above, the British are including Ireland in all their talk of home nations teams in a genuinely affectionate way. Time to remove those chips on the shoulders lads.
“Home Nations” is the British equivalent of Japan’s “Home Islands”, it’s not the “home of soccer” and like Japan’s phrasing, it’s interchangeable with the name of the state. It’s why “British Isles” is an outdated term, it implies sovereignty over the area described.
British people who use this phrase are inevitably a little unclear about Ireland’s independence, hence the references you’ll hear to “the Irish” rather than “Ireland” because we’re seen as an ethnicity within the British rather than a separate state.
Have you ever been to the UK? I don’t think anyone is unclear on Irelands independence there…
stop, he NEEDS this
Many times; one person wanted to know why I said my phone was roaming when I was there and from there, I discovered he thought we were independent like Scotland i.e. we have our own parliament but not like, y’know, France.
Eventually I told him we sit between Iraq and Israel in the UN, which kind of sealed the deal for him.
Plenty British people don’t think we’re actually fully-independent and not linked politically in any way.
& plenty of people in the US think the earth was created 3000 years ago. Yes, there are stupid people everywhere. I recently read a young English woman (incidentally with an Irish family-name) arguing on Facebook that the trouble in the North, and between the North and the South (according to her account), was ALL just to do with fighting Catholics and Protestants, and that the British had no hand in it ever. This was what she was always told growing up by her parents. She went on to lecture everyone in the thread, wondering why the Catholic south wouldn’t let the Protestant North join them, and bemoaning that there had to be civil war between north and south. No attempts to correct her or suggest she reads just ONE history book would be entertained by her. I wish I could dig up the thread.
Wow, that’s depressing
Yes actually. Also they generally think we’re the same. They often don’t understand that we have our own cultural identity that they aren’t part of. They often don’t see slagging us off as different to slagging of other English people from other cities.