40 thoughts on “Billy For Them

      1. Nessy

        How exactly am I a lazy stereotype?! I’m probably more British than the people in the pictures yet I don’t go around marching in a triumphant and bigoted manner singing songs about killing taigs and catholics in areas where I’m not wanted, in the name of “British culture.” Neither do I paint a child’s face with KAT (kill all taigs). There’s nothing British about these people. If walking in a bowler hat and wearing a sash makes you British then god f*cking help us all!

        1. Spartacus

          You employ a lazy stereotype. The pictures above show unionists celebrating the 12th – not a single hateful taig-killling triumphant catholic-baby-eating bowler hat among them. You chose to link a picture showing a child with a hateful message painted on her face, thus conflating the actions of evil sectarian pondlife with decent people who happen to have a different world view to your own.

          1. Nessy

            The bands who partake in the orange order parades (who’s memebers are pictured) are named after UDA and UVF gunmen who have killed maimed and murdered hundreds of people just for being Catholic and Irish I linked the picture of a child who’s parents are not only Loyal and Orange, thetyre also full of hate and bigotry and rooted in sectarian nonsense, just like the OO (who’s members are pictured).

            What’s your opinion on burning Irish tricolours decorated with sectarian and racist messages as well as pride flags, effigies of elected MPs and catholics and other election posters (Anna Lo Gerry Adams etc)..

            I suppose, I am just a lazy stereotype of actual British decent to even contemplate linking all the hatred and sectarian nonsense listed above, with the 12th hatefest. Take off your union flag tinted glasses for a minute would you, you’d get a better view of reality. The OO and the 12th is a sectarian hate fest

          2. Spartacus

            To answer your question, I restate my position – those who seek to promulgate hateful sectarian bile are pondlife to be reviled and excluded from any decent society.

            I have a couple of questions for you.

            What is the name of the band in the third picture (the only band shown above)?

            Do you believe that your personal claim to British nationality (repeated to great effect) affords you some unique insight to unionist mindset?

          3. ahyeah

            Spartacus, are you as obnoxious and patronising in real life? And what’s with the arrogamnt assumption that you’re the only one who knows anything about this? I’d wager I know way more about this than you’ll ever know – most of it from upfront, personal experience.

            And I especially liked the silliness of “What is the name of the band in the third picture (the only band shown above)?”. Why? Some benign little flute ensemble, is it? It’s the Red Hand Defenders, which is nothing other than a motley assortment of thugs and criminals.

  1. Ciarán

    Why can’t people just celebrate their own heritage (British/Protestant/ulster scots whatever) without it having to be either about a history of repression or an expression of hatred for other communal inhabitants of city/province.

    1. cluster

      Cultural segregation, relative poverty, politics and the deliberate stoking of sectarian hatred amongst working class communities may have exacerbated the situation but it is standard practice for groups to define themselves in opposition to other nearby groups. There’s a good experiment done by researchers with boys in Oklahoma where arbitrarily chosen groups turned on each other.

      It’d be great to see some new narrative created which both sides could buy into but who knows what would bring that about…

  2. Spartacus

    Pictures of normal decent people out celebrating their special day. What a marked contrast to the hate-filled images the media prefer to push.

    1. Niamh

      What, like the actual bonfires people actually, collectively, working together over a sustained period, decided to build in their neighbourhoods? The ones with LGBT, Irish, and Palestinian flags?

      But yeah. The media is the one responsible for photographing this and suggesting anybody might be ‘hate-filled’. It aint hate until that point. It’s KKKulture.

      1. Spartacus

        Once you’ve completed your journey to adulthood, you should consider returning to this discussion. Please say that you will, Niamh?

        1. ahyeah

          You don’t do yourself or your argument too many favours when you resort to a puerile ad hominem bitch-remark rather than address/counter her comment. Journey to adulthood indeed.

        2. cluster

          Spartacus, Niamh has a point. It is not the whole story but the OO and the 12th marches have a reputation for bigotry for a reason.

          Pretending otherwise is a bit self-defeating.

  3. The bringer of facts

    As relevant to me as any festival from anywhere around the world.

    I smell comment baiting.

    1. Spartacus

      I’m amazed no-one has yet fallen for the parallel to be drawn with the last picture (Belfast by firelight) with the one posted yesterday from Sderot (Gaza by firelight).

    2. cluster

      ‘Cept that’s not actually true. It is a festival which happens in Ireland, one which has had (and continues to have) a significant impact on our politics, culture and international reputation.

  4. munkifisht

    In fairness, don’t see any hate in these pictures. The equivalent is republicans celebrating St Patricks. Not saying they don’t hate, just saying these pictures don’t demonstrate it.

    That said, I really like the fact I live in London where pretty much the entire population couldn’t give a tu’penny f**k if NI stayed in the UK or not.

    1. DizzyDoris

      If they knew how much of their taxes went to keeping NI afloat, I think they might give a. Nice pictures BTW.

    2. retroboy

      As far as I recall, St Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland (Catholic, Protestant, whateva.).

      For better, but obviously for worse.

      retroboy.

    3. cluster

      St Patricks is not even nearly the ‘Republican’ equivalent. St Patricks Day festivals in the US were probably first begun by Irish Peotestant emigrants. The Ulster Protestant boarding schools have their Senior Cup finals on Paddy’s Day. The Anglican Church of Ireland’s patron saint is St Patrick (North and South) of the border.

      There is little hate to be seen in these particular pictures and I have no wish to stop those who feel a British heritage celebrating this, but it is hard to avoid the fact that this day is the day when (according to a clumsy and partially incorrect narrative) King Billy led the Protestants to defeat the Catholics.

    4. B Bop

      Concur, it is always the irony the mess of this Orange Day- Bowler wearing, flag flying, drum bashing, Union Jack fervour & in reality they are a mongrel nation steeped in hate, violence & overt prejudice on both sides.
      I always thought the analogy of digging along the border & let them all float away Rar Rar Rarring at each other would be a peaceful solution!

  5. Happy Jack

    They can’t even go back to Scotland once it gets independence. Soon they’ll belong nowhere.

    1. Liam from Lixnaw

      like the kurds? mmmmmmm…… Curd

      Does broadsheet not stir it on a Sunday? no news since lunch time?

    2. cluster

      It doesn’t look like the Scots are going to grasp the nettle so yours is probably a moot point.

      Anyway, they’ve been here for hundreds of years – talking about going back to Scotland doesn’t make any sense.

  6. squidward

    Ah now, sure we’re not the best looking down here either.

    Although having eyebrows may just put us a little ahead.

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