51 thoughts on “Gaza By Numbers”

  1. shitferbrains

    Not to say the figures may not be accurate, but that NGO is a Hamas front. Ramy Abdu has worked for a variety of pro Hamas organisations some of which were subsequently banned for raising money for Hamas.

  3. Bejayziz

    No surprises that they’ve omitted all info on the amount of rockets fired into Israel by Hamas, sick of this absolute horse shit, if you’re going to put up stats put up stats of how many rockets are lobbed indiscriminately into Israel every day with no consideration to where they land….and before the usual suspects come on and blindly support Hamas and spout their usual consistent vitriol on Israel, the figures are only high because Hamas purposely fire rockets from heavily urbanized areas, its win win for them, they fire the rockets and when their own civilians are killed because of their choice of location when the Israeli military take action to take out the rocket site they have the clueless western media up in arms, so they score a point in their PR excercise

    1. phil

      You are dead right, and dont forget the teenagers who throw all those stones at the IDF peace keepers , and not to mind the terrible things Hamas say about the IDF using their words …

      1. All the good ones fly south for winter

        ..and don’t forget those 3 Jewish teenagers who were kidnapped and murdered and how Ireland’s righteous left wing shouted so loud and Frank McDonald tweeted proportionally his discontent.

        1. droid

          Kidnapped and murdered in the West bank, an area which hamas have absolutely no control over.

          And speaking of outrage, where is the outrage at the fact that the Israeli Govt and security forces knew WITHIN HOURS that the teens had been killed, and deliberately kept this information secret in order to whip up a frenzy of anti-Palestinian public opinion in israel and PR abroad. They even lied to the parents and gave them false hope in order to prolong the media and security exercise, which has resulted in 11 dead in the West Bank and several illegal house demolitions – all prior to the current butchery in Gaza of course.

          http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-palestine-netanyahu-government-knew-kidnapped-teens-were-dead-as-it-whipped-up-racist-frenzy/5390628

    2. well

      “Hamas purposely fire rockets from heavily urbanized areas”

      Has Israel given Hamas a list of Areas where they’re allowed to fire from?
      The strip has a population of 1.8 million in an area a fraction of the size of Dublin, is anywhere unpopulated?

      1. shitferbrains

        True. So common sense would seen to indicate that perhaps politics should replace rockets.

        1. droid

          Hamas have offered ceasefires time and again. Israel has invented pretexts to attack Gaza time and again. in 08/09, they offered a ten year truce. Even a cursory glance at the record will confirm this.

          1. shitferbrains

            An Islamic truce – hudna – allows the one offering it to re-arm and try again when they deem themselves to have a better chance. Hamas aren’t ” the bhoys “.

          2. droid

            It was a legitimate and serious offer of a truce, far exceeding anything Israel has ever offered Hamas or Fatah. If Israel had any wish to minimise casualties or explore peace options they would have at least discussed it – but no, Hamas are simply evil bloodthirsty terrorists who only wish to destroy israel, so we cannot even consider speaking to them etc. ad nauseum…

    3. All the good ones fly south for winter

      Hold on there a second Mussolini, it could well be that for the first time in the long ugly and bloody history of mankind’s sordid conflicts we have a situation where one side is totally right and one side is totally wrong and that half the population of a far away country justs happens to realise it.

      1. droid

        Pretty much the entire planet, the arab world, the PLO/Fatah/Hamas have all accepted explicitly and/or implicitly that the solution is UN 242. A return to pre-1967 borders with mutual and agreed exchanges of territory in some areas of the west bank. This has been the almost unanimous global consensus since at least 1976.

        The US and Israel are pretty much alone in opposing this solution (whilst paying lip service to the idea), preferring instead to continue to eat away at Palestinian territory, change the ‘facts on the ground’, destroy Palestinian national and cultural identity and steal land and resources until such a time as the possibility of a viable Palestinian state vanishes (it may already have). Moshe Dayan put it best in some prophetic words months after the six day war… “’That we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave — and we will see where this process leads…”

    4. Sidewinder

      It’s beyond absurd to assume that criticism of Israel is support of Hamas.

      I would very much welcome the mirroring statistics of what damage is done to Israel, if only to see the stark contrast. I’d also like to see stats on Israel’s GDP, HDI, literacy and access to healthcare in comparison with those living in the Gaza strip.

      https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

  5. C 2 the MF K

    One sided much? Just because you were under another country rule it must not mean you have to suck up to every underdog, the middle east situation is more complex than trendy infographics and vague humanitarian posturing.

    3. Bobby

      It’s an illustration of an act of genocide. It doesn’t matter that Palestine would most likely do the same to Israel if it were in their power. It’s a lot of humans being eradicated and you’re moaning about people making the numbers easy to understand.

  7. Papa C

    When will Hamas realise that this strategy isn’t working. All they are doing by continuing it is endangering their own people and drawing fire on innocents. Israel are going nowhere and are not hiding that fact. They will defend themselves, So unless Hamas can win, they shouldn’t be using a feather where a hammer is needed.

    1. Sidewinder

      Hamas don’t give a sh1t about that. The Israeli government doesn’t give a sh1t about that. This is Zionists versus Islamists with innocent people suffering in the middle, Israeli and Palestinian alike.

    2. All the good ones fly south for winter

      You’d almost think that a continuance of a UN subsidized failed state suits their mobster agenda.

    3. droid

      If you believe that rockets from the Gaza strip have any but the most cursory influence on Israeli military decisions then you are completely deluded.

      This is about the political threat of a unified Palestinian Govt – an previously unthinkable situation brought about by continuing attrition in the West Bank & Gaza and the marginalisation of Fatah as settlements and security zones increase in size. Its a remarkable achievement actually, that Israel has managed to take two groups who share nothing but hatred of one another, who were in fact killing each other 6 years ago, and brought them together.

  8. Am I Still on This Island

    Breach international law by targeting large urban areas of your enemy while firing from densely populated civilian areas and using schools as cover.

    Complain when your enemy does the same with bigger better rockets.

    Repeat to infinity and hope something changes!

    2. droid

      As is pretty much everything else in that post. Complete misunderstanding of the situation. Almost endearing in its naivete.

      1. Am I Still on This Island

        So droid Hamas have never breached international law? If you believe that you really are Not operating with a full deck!

        1. droid

          Of course they have, they do it all the time, but suggesting that this has anything to do with Israel’s motives is beyond ridiculous.

          1. Am I Still on This Island

            I never suggested it was? I suggested there is a cycle of rocket attacks that illicit a response

          3. droid

            Again, this is incorrect. The cycle goes as follows, Israel continually expands security and territorial control in the West Bank, demolishing houses, murdering and imprisoning protestors and international observers as it pleases, concurrent with small scale but periodic attacks and incursions into Gaza. This mushrooms into large scale assaults at politically expedient moments designed to denude Palestinian military capacity and instill fear and terror into the Gazan population leading to retaliation from Gaza which then functions as a useful pretext, endlessly repeated by media and commentators.

            So you are fundamentally wrong in two senses – that Israel’s incursions are a ‘response ‘ to rockets (the pattern of ceasefire violations is evidence enough of this), and that Palestinian use of physical force is the motivating cause (the timing and causes for Israeli incursions are political, in response to internal Israeli politics, and/or local Palestinian political developments).

          4. Am I Still on This Island

            Droid it’s all about perspective having been to the West Bank and having worked briefly for Hamas, I have a 1st hand understanding of what I seen.

          6. droid

            And Im curious – you worked for Hamas in the West bank? I what capacity if you dont mind me asking? Are you sure you dont mean Fatah or the PA?

          7. Bejayziz

            I’m sure he knows what he means Droid, Jeezuz! …and “you should really no better”, I dont know if you’re trolling or just an angry teenager at this stage

          8. droid

            Well, the reason I ask, as Im sure you know is that up until recently Hamas has had very little legitimate presence in the West Bank, owing mainly to a bitter and long lived internecine conflict with Fatah. Its a valid question and Im genuinely interested in the answer.

            Would’ve thought you could probably find a better peg to hang your ad hominems off, but given your… …silly post above I can understand why you wouldn’t want to discuss any of the actual issues.

          9. bisted

            ….I’m guessing that he was so bad at hasbara school that he was told that he might as well be working for Hamas.

  9. John Gallen

    I sent this to BS. I agree it is one sided and as Shitferbrains says at the top the figs are backed up by Ramy Abdu who is pro-Hamas. So, I had another look online and found that other sources quote very similar figures.

    So… the missing figures are of the damage inflicted by Hamas rockets. Look up any news organisation and you will see that the reporting of the Hamas bombardment is miniscule by comparison. Tiny.

    GTFO Of Palestine.

    1. shitferbrains

      The thing about asymmetrical warfare is that it’s , well, asymmetrical. And tends to throw the burden of due care on the state ; in other words it’s launched for propaganda purposes rather than any conceivable military end. The Palestinians have shyte for leadership.

      1. droid

        Can you provide any evidence that this current conflict was ‘launched’ by Hamas? Do you know how many Palestinian civilians have been killed or wounded since the start of the year?

        This war never ends, it simply reduces and increases in intensity, and Israel control the dial.

    2. Christopher

      So that is your solution? Gee- I wonder why that hasn’t been tried that already. That thinking worked in northern Ireland didn’t it.

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