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This afternoon.

Mary and Sam Kavanagh from Trim, Co Meath join a group of protesters outside Leinster house to campaign against a major reform of family law.

The Children and Family Relationships Bill [which includes provisions for children being parented by same-sex couples and covers children born through donor assisted human reproduction (AHR)] was approved in Cabinet today.

(Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland)

Meanwhile…

JohnW writes:

RTÉ One’s Six One just featured a spokesman, Ray Kinsella, from Mothers and Fathers Matter  what RTÉ (again  failed to tell viewers is that Mothers and Fathers Matter is yet another one of David Quinn’s organisations….here’s their Board.”

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49 thoughts on “Adult Matters”

  1. Sidewinder

    Not passing this bill is anti-child and the gits who organised that protest know it. But they’re only pro-straight children born naturally straight married couples. They’re fooling no one.

    I feel a lot sorrier for those kids than I do for Colm O’Gorman’s.

      1. ahjayzis

        With no idea whether the people your attempting to discriminate against today could be your kids tomorrow.

      2. Jordofthejungle

        Are you talking about the recent prolife marches? Participants very keen to wheel the children out for those. They are even pushed up to the front. Away with you and your lowbrow hypocrisy.

  3. newsjustin

    Wait a minute. Now Broadsheets is doing exactly what it condemns – merging the same-sex marriage referendum debate and the Children and Family Relationships Bill.

    “….join a group of protesters outside Leinster house to campaign against New marrige Proposals for same sex couples.”

    I thought this article (and their protest) was about the Bill.

    2. zackersetu

      Erm…. an elderly person …. adult. Yup the anti child would be a an OAP. So the bill discriminates against old people!!!! WHAT AND OUTRAGE!!!!!!!

    1. ahjayzis

      Hopefully the next step in the gay agenda will be the addition of a fashion-forwardness category on the social worker checklist. Children of opposite sex couples have been suffering for too long. I’m a survivor. I know. I remember the matching brown jackets my brother and I were forced to endure ;'(

      Poor pigtails there wouldn’t know effortless schoolyard chic if it beat her nightly with a bible and don’t get me started on Davy Crocket – NEWSFLASH, you’re so not on-point it’s painful.

        1. ahjayzis

          The hack of her like? Helen Mirren showed us you can have style at any age – girlfriend don’t love herself.

    2. Clampers Outside!

      Can’t find an argument so ye start picking on how the look ! Fuppin’ kids ! …holding signs, walking around, and standing, standing unattended, and some of them are wearing hats FFS

      More of this I say, I say, more of this! And down with the other thing !

  10. Dubloony

    Another David Quinn instant group. Jesus, his head must be wrecked from all the different hats he wears.

    Media section is an interesting who’s who of Iona-ites on the airwaves – Ben Conroy, Breda O’Brien (Mammy), Quinn etc.

  12. Gene C

    After a very brief marriage, I spent 12 years in the family law courts in an attempt to keep in my children’s lives. Cost me every penny I had and upon each access transgression it took months to get back into court to get them back. A cursory verbal reprimand was their Mother’s only punishment. when the eldest boy hit 13, she stopped it again sept). It took until the following February to get back into court, zero access given in the meantime, incl christmas. Judge said he couldn’t tell a teenager where to go,(thereby allowing him senior status, not legally a minor at 13 years old). But his 11 year old brother would be legally bound to go with me for normal access (sun-tues every week as previous). When I went to collect them the following Sunday, their mother said the younger boy didn’t have to go with me if he didn’t want to. I left empty handed.End of access. My solicitor suggested calling the guards with my legal documentation but I was reluctant to create a scene/memory for my children. It’s been 5 years now. All communication completely severed now, despite every avenue persued. Even one-way posted letters have run dry. My whole family, Granny especially deeply saddened about the loss on a daily basis. My point here is that in this new bill, apparently if a parent(let’s face it, the mother) doesn’t allow normal legal access then extra access can be granted in the future. So, months later of no access, the father can now avail of even more access. Or EVEN MORE NO ACCESS presumably. They’re not going to fine the mother (no correlation with releasing the children to their other parent)and certainly no jail time which presumably the other parent as their guardian/next of kin would have access in this highly emotive situation(as the ’cause’ of their mother being imprisoned). So, for my situation, nothing changes in real terms. All I can do it wait until the children take it upon themselves to re contact our family which I am lead to understand can be generally in a situation where the mother is so aggressively power/ownership in character, their mid-20s or more likely when they have their own children. It’ll be too late for their 80 year old Granny either way. The media go to town when a story of a foreign parent takes the child abroad to live with them. All about the distraught Irish parent, father or mother’s desperate all consuming attempts to get their ‘kidnapped/abducted’ child back home. Effectively the same thing happens internally within this state every day. Should I have persued a media cause célèbre? I wouldn’t do that to my kids, so on it goes. And Fathers for Justice has been long treated as a running social joke, no?

    1. Kieran NYC

      Fathers for Justice quickly became a joke because they climbed buildings dressed as superheros. Did them no favours whatever.

      Sorry to hear about your story though. Attitude seems to be “Mammy and Daddy good. Failing that, fupp Daddy”

      1. Joe the Lion

        Well lets face it it’s never going to be Fupp Mummy.

        I agree with the poster however that there is uneven distribution of natural justice along gender lines.

        Until someone likes him brings a case to the ECHR or some other such body it will remain.

        1. Gene c

          Tnx fellas. Thought about it over the years as it was such a blatant violation of the children’s rights to access both parents(without predudice from either). The judges alluded to it too but that’s another part of the problem with the courts: Every visit is effectively a stand alone situation where both the judge is new to the case and doesn’t have the time nor inclination to address anything other than current sworn affidavits re the issue at hand. Previous violations can be ‘slipped in’ while on the stand but in my experience this is just an annoyance to the judge more than anything else. A man just can’t get parity in these cases and research shows that it is ultimately detrimental to the child’s wellbeing into adulthood.

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