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Last night.

A demonstration by members of various  ‘Pro-Life’ groups outside Leinster House calling for ‘fair coverage’ in media reporting of the abortion debate.

(Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland)

122 thoughts on “Groups Of Wrath

  1. Soundings

    Love the second photograph of the five people, who as a group, thought it was a good idea to wear bandanas and carry candles. Oh and a sign criticising groupthink.

      1. ahyeah

        Would like to know where those bandanas came from… handed out by organiser for the photo to make the kids seem hippy and independent?

        1. Rob_G

          … which actually has the effect of dating the organisers; if they think that bandannas are in anyway ‘youth culture’, they can’t be under 60.

  2. rotide

    Enough with the snide ‘quotes’ bodger. It’s fair enough not to agree with them, but calling them “Pro-life” instead of Pro-life as if their agenda doesn’t actually exist is childish.

      1. Major Thrill

        I’m sure they’re just being affectionate when they refer to the prochoice camp as “proabort” and “murderesses”

        1. Karl Monaghan

          You’re seeing excuses. I’m seeing the lie of their organisation name being called out for the profane a lie that it is. They’re hardly pro life when they have no problem women dying because they don’t want abortion allowed here.

          1. newsjustin

            “..they have no problem women dying because they don’t want abortion allowed here.”

            As gross a misrepresentation as saying pro-choice people have no problem killing babies.

    1. Starina

      It’s in quotes because “pro-life” is a propaganda term. Anti-choice is more accurate. Pro-choice, anti-choice.

          1. Blublu

            I actually agree with you but taking the devil’s advocate role, they’d say pro-choice is actually anti-choice for the other person/foetus/whatever.

            They’re both ridiculous labels to be honest, and I’m of the opinion that there are dozens of different viewpoints within each side.

    2. Clampers Outside!

      No. These people may have taken the name ‘pro-life’ for themselves but to some of us, the ‘pro-life’ label is a nonsense. If Bodger takes that view, then his point, his use of ‘quotes’, is perfectly valid.

      1. rotide

        To some people the term ‘marriage equality’ is a nonsense. As is ‘feminism’ and water ‘protestors’.

        It’s just being deliberately offensive and for a website that has pretensions to journalism when it grows up, its childish.

        This also more or less proves that Bodger is a handy nom-de-plume for the contributors to use. So much for accountability.

      1. Mani

        ‘Diary, I was disgusted today when the website with the pro-choice agenda published another sarcastic post about pro-lifers. I must stop frequenting it as I cannot truly believe that my mewling comments will ever change their point of view, as I have neither the charisma or dress-sense of Qui Gon Jinn nor the sexual virility of Capt. James T Kirk. Some days I wish God would just beam me up. sadface’

          1. Owen O'F

            Mani’s tedious love affair with his ‘hilaire’ undergraduate purple prose never fails to put my teeth on edge.

          2. ahyeah

            That’s a good idea. I think we should have a weekly post from Mani. Perhaps ‘Mani’s take on comments of the week’.

            Bodger? Chompsky? Whoever?

          3. Mani

            I’ve got a lot of really extreme right wing views that I’ve been looking to express for a long time now, ever since Liveline barred me.

  3. ReproBertie

    At frist glance their argument appears to be nonsense.

    From RTÉ: “The 33 pro-choice articles and the one pro-life article that appeared in national papers in the space of a fortnight recently could have been any fortnight that the abortion issue is in the news. It just happens that a particular fortnight last December was chosen to gauge the extent of the bias.”

    A Pro Life campaign spokesperson said the dates that were reviewed were 18-30 December. On 18 December last it was revealed legal advice was being sought by health authorities regarding a young pregnant woman who had been declared clinically brain dead.

    So they just happened to pick a fortnight when a massive legal case around a young pregnant woman on life support was one of the major news stories to count the number of articles on abortion and compare the pro and anti articles? And based on this research conducted at a time when there was a groundswell of opinion (popular and medical) that the family should be allowed let the young woman die they determined that the media is biased in favour of choice.

    1. Clampers Outside!

      So, they would have preferred that the woman’s body be used as an incubator then, is that it?

      Add to that, that the Iona Institute and their ilk were very much hiding and not speaking out through out that two weeks because they knew, IMO, that they would be wrong, morally and ethically to pursue their women hating agenda.

      Remember too, that Bishop Diarmuid Martin also said that using the woman’s body as an incubator was wrong. Yet these people still remained quiet.

      Anti-choice scum.

      1. ReproBertie

        So the Archbishop said using the woman as an incubator was wrong which, presumably, hamstrung Iona’s usual campaign thus reducing the number of anti-abortion articles thus skewing the ratio thus giving them a lovely statistic as the foundation of their media bias claim.

        If not for this protest would abortion even be in the news this week?

          1. ReproBertie

            In case there’s any confusion, I’m agreeing with you Clampers.

            That opening “So” was a “so here’s what happened” so rather than a “so this is what you’re claiming” so.

            Just so you know.

      1. andyourpointiswhatexactly

        It lessens your argument immediately if you start calling them freaks.
        Even if they are, like.

        1. Mikeyfex

          Birneybau2, I’m almost certain, was being facetious. Parodying some other commenters I reckon.

  4. Bobby

    Wouldn’t fair coverage mean the pro-choice would be getting a lot more coverage, as the media is fairly dominated by pro-life groups and has always been biased towards them.

  5. Keith

    There must be some kind of inverted spotlight effect going on here. To me, a “pro-the-life-of-people-who-you-know-are-alive-and-are-people-and-not-embryos-lifer”, everytime I see one of the Iona institute cabal on telly, it feels like they have taken over the entire scheduling for the whole evening. Their views burned into my retina like a bad Sunday sermon.

    Do they want less of those people on the telly? Sign me up.

  6. IDB

    Is “Groupthink” the same as “majority opinion”?

    I’ve never really understood that one.

    1. Don Pidgeoni

      They seem to think anyone pro-choice is being brain-washed by pinko leftie commie feminazis whereas they are allowed to have their own ideas about these things, provided they occur within church doctrine

      1. Stumpy

        ‘Groupthink’ – It’s the same line that wackos like those behind ‘Irish Voice’ use when decrying the fact that most people don’t support the deportation of everyone without red hair and freckles.

        1. rotide

          Interesting. The term group think was initially usedt by the left to describe the status quo.

          Poor old george would be uncomfortable with this.

      2. newsjustin

        A bit like how people think that pro-life people are all religious fanatics influenced only by the catholic church. It’s an easy generalisation.

        Groupthink exists, it happens when like-minded people, elites or under-represented, get together and listen to their own opinions, at the exclusion of all others.

        1. Hank

          You’re describing a scenario where people of similar opinions happen to agree.
          The term “Groupthink” suggests a more sinister brain-washing element..

          1. newsjustin

            I disagree entirely Hank. One of the worrying thing about Groupthink – wherever it arises – is how it’s often quite passive. No one is really brain-washing anyone, it’s just not enough people in the group say – “hold on, maybe there’s a different point of view on this.”

          2. pedeyw

            You’re pretty much describing an echo chamber. BS is one too, it’s very difficult to get out if it, and very hard to see through it when you’re part of one.

        1. JimmytheHead

          How dare you!! What if everyone aborted their left turns?? Then we’d be a country of reverse Zoolanders, right turning circles around each other like idiots.

  7. collynomial

    Man, I am getting old. It looks to me like everyone in those picture is under 18, I’m almost certain they’re not – not that their age should invalidate their point of view. What should invalidate their point of view is they are misrepresenting facts.

    How much does an independent media study cost these days anyhow?

  8. Eoghany

    Genuine question; is being pro life inextricably linked with being a religious fanatic? Is there any such thing as a pro life atheist?

    1. andyourpointiswhatexactly

      I wouldn’t even think you would have to use the word fanatic. Just religious. I know plenty of people who barely bother going to mass but would still term themselves Catholic and who would be pro-lifers.

      1. andyourpointiswhatexactly

        Sorry: I’m have no idea of the answer to your question. I’m just broadening the parameters a bit.

      1. andyourpointiswhatexactly

        Interesting. They equate abortion with racism, sexism and ableism. I’m not even sure what the third thing is.

    2. Starina

      i’ve met one or two. they are a little less rabid and more uncomfortable with the whole thing.

    3. rotide

      I’d imagine the vast majority of pro-lifers are not religious fanatics. Religious maybe, but nowhere near fanatics.

      There are plenty of pro life atheists.

      1. Annie

        That maybe so but the main proponents and “leaders” of the “pro-life” movement are anything but your average man and woman on the street, religious or not. These are hardline (over-archingly religious) ideologues, such as Niamh Ni Bhriain at Youth Defence or Cora Sherlock (born into a very determined Louth religious family) many of whom are the offspring of those involved with the Queen of Religious Fanaticism Mena Bean Ui Chribin. Not matter how one wishes to dress it up, those leading the cause for a rigid stance on abortion in our laws are the very antithesis of balanced, secular, non-polemical and tolerant.

  9. kurtz

    Anybody younger than 50 seems to have been herded to the front for the photo op, while Old Ireland mans the flanks and brings up the rear.

    1. Red

      This. I think Rabble had a pic or two from the back of the crowd. Not a person under 60 in sight..

          1. newsjustin

            Assuming that what you believe is reality (or more to the point, a complete overview of reality) because it’s what your immediate experience (your group) tells you it is, that’s Groupthink.

          2. JimmytheHead

            What group would that be? Im currently sitting alone with head phones on so that point is irrelevant if youre trying to say im biased. If youre referring to the “Pro-Life” side following the word of their lord a.k.a. J.C. the sky ghost, then you may be onto something.

  10. Frilly Keane

    Ah Jaysus

    I love me bandanas
    I’ve a red n’white that’s going since the ’88 1st replay

    navy, burgundy, black, green wi’ white ones too around the house

    Ück ’em anyway

      1. Frilly Keane

        Ha. But nah.

        Since I’ve now had’ta think about them I can confirm that the burgundy and the green ones are usually around the hair

        The others are neck wrappers slash chins camouflage

        Maybe tis now harm for the tight ass holy marys to know they share bandana wearing with a pro choice fat assed debauched way beyond regret or salvation liberal

  11. Miami Dolphin's Barn

    Lolz those bandannas are a joy.

    “Connect us wit de young folk…like your fella Axle from the showband”

  12. Joe cool

    Is it me or do all the girls in the picture look like
    A. good old cailíns from irish American families.
    B. Mary from the dairy who’ve yet to have any sort of interaction with a male person?

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