Oof.
Martin writes:
Caught this footage on Thursday, May 28, at around 4pm at the Convention Centre in Dublin. Didn’t have time to stop and give my details to the biker (as I was heading off on a stag). Could you share it here in case someone knows him and he wants to follow it up? I think she’ll look both ways before running out into traffic the next time. If that was a car she would’ve been in far worse shape!
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Biker is also breaching a number of traffic laws but lets just ignore that!
Can you rattle them all off for us?
The biker came around the corner too quickly (pedestrian light) and was about to either stop on a clearway OR drive through the pedestrian light. Bikers feel that they do not have to pay attention to the rules of the road.
The pedestrian was also clearly wrong to cross there, especially when there was a pedestrian crossing about 30 yards from her.
Still, she could easily claim damages from the biker and should win.
Doubtful she could claim damages as it was her fault. Happened to a friend of mine a number of years ago. He was coming around Trinity college at Dame St. when a woman crossed well before the lights, similar to this, and collided with the side of him. He ended up getting compensation for the damage to his bike as she was at fault.
19.—(1) A driver shall not overtake (or attempt to overtake) if to do so would endanger, or cause inconvenience to, any other person.
(2) A driver shall not overtake (or attempt to overtake) unless he can clearly see a portion of the roadway which—
(a) is free from approaching traffic, pedestrians and any obstruction, and
(b) is sufficiently long and wide to permit the overtaking to be completed without danger or inconvenience to other traffic or pedestrians.
(3) A driver shall overtake on the right and shall not move in towards the left until it is safe to do so.
(4) Notwithstanding paragraph (3) of this bye-law, a driver may overtake on the left—
(a) where the driver of the vehicle about to be overtaken has signalled his intention to turn to the right and the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after having overtaken, to go straight ahead or to turn to the left,
(b) where the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after having overtaken, to turn left at a road junction and has signalled this intention,
(c) in slow-moving traffic, when vehicles in the traffic lane on the driver’s right are moving more slowly than the overtaking vehicle.
The biker is within the law for all of those with the exception of possibly 19-1, but only insofar as every vehicle is in potential breach of that at all times if we’re assuming drivers are at fault for a pedestrian running into the side of their vehicle.
If the motorcyclist stayed in the queue of traffic (behind the cars), instead over overtaking at a junction then this accident wouldn’t have happened.
I’m not saying the motorcyclist is at fault, they both caused the accident through sheer stupidity (in my opinion)
So despite three cars and a pedestrian performing illegal manoeuvres, you lay the blame with the motorcyclist who was driving legally and got hit ON HIS SIDE by a running pedestrian?
Seriously, the logic of some people commenting is bizarre.
Yeah ok, legally maybe, depending. On how you interpret the road traffic act, recklessly probably, considering the circumstances.
This is not an absolute situation, the pedestrian is at fault, as are those obstructing a yellow box and the motorcyclist is reckless at best. So no single individual is solely to blame more a combination of factors. Try take the blinkers off and drop the persecution complex. Not once have I solely blamed the biker
Cyclists are legally allowed to skip traffic on either side.
I think we can all agree, the problem here isn’t motorcyclists, it’s Dublin traffic attitudes. My head nearly exploded with the number of violations on display before somebody got knocked down.
@yea, ok
The accident doesn’t involve the three cars, it involves a motorcyclist and a pedestrian. If you read my comment, I clearly stated that “If the motorcyclist stayed in the queue of traffic (behind the cars), instead over overtaking at a junction then this accident wouldn’t have happened.” Doesn’t make a difference if he/she was driving legally, if the motorcyclists stayed in the queue of traffic turning right, the collision would have been avoided.
The collision would have been avoided if the pedestrian stayed on the footpath. Hence, “they both caused the accident through sheer stupidity (in my opinion)”.
Seriously, the logic of some people commenting is bizarre.
*Should swap that first “accident” for collision
like which one? line filtering isn’t banned
cars standing still in a yellow box, they are the ones that “caused” the issue to start with
pedestrian crossing on a yellow box, when are we going to be civilized?
+1 :) …so many numpties contributing to that accident…
+1
+1 gizillion
No no no
What’s with all the SHOUTING? I know he’s wearing a helmet but cut it out. Minor accident by the way, both got up quicklyand no no looked injured apart from bruised egos. I’m sure he would a stopped if it was more serious.
she was in the wrong, and I don’t see how he did anything wrong personally. He’s hardly going to wait behind all the traffic now is he, at the end of the day she crossed the road when there was no lights or clear way for her to do so, plus in between 2 cars also. Stupid.com
The good Helen, “he is hardly going to wait behind the traffic” well I suppose it’s ok for him to operate outside of the road traffic act as he is on a motorbike
there is a pedestrian crossing with lights right beside that place, how can anyone justify going across a yellow box?
“There’s nothing more dangerous than a man who knows he’s right”.
You don’t have a clue of the rules of the road it seems.
Since when is filtering ‘operating outside’ the RTA?
It’s not look at his position in the road!
Stumpy here is the road traffic act wording on overtaking!
19.—(1) A driver shall not overtake (or attempt to overtake) if to do so would endanger, or cause inconvenience to, any other person.
(2) A driver shall not overtake (or attempt to overtake) unless he can clearly see a portion of the roadway which—
(a) is free from approaching traffic, pedestrians and any obstruction, and
(b) is sufficiently long and wide to permit the overtaking to be completed without danger or inconvenience to other traffic or pedestrians.
(3) A driver shall overtake on the right and shall not move in towards the left until it is safe to do so.
(4) Notwithstanding paragraph (3) of this bye-law, a driver may overtake on the left—
(a) where the driver of the vehicle about to be overtaken has signalled his intention to turn to the right and the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after having overtaken, to go straight ahead or to turn to the left,
(b) where the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after having overtaken, to turn left at a road junction and has signalled this intention,
(c) in slow-moving traffic, when vehicles in the traffic lane on the driver’s right are moving more slowly than the overtaking vehicle.
I’d do the same if I were on a bike, Helen, most would I’m sure, just like most people cross roads between cars from time to time. But this time there was an accident and by the letter of the law which is of course what it will come down to if it goes any further, he was also in the wrong. Both should just learn something and move on.
Lots of people speed, doesn’t make it any less of an offence. He was overtaking traffic on a corner while approaching a pedestrian crossing and entered a yellow box when the exit was not clear (like the cars also did).
End of the day he may easily be done for careless driving. The fact he tended to his poor bike first instead of the pedestrian he hit is all the more damning.
He was filtering (legal) across the yellow box (legal because he could clear it), within the speed limit, when she actually ran into him side on (i.e he didn’t run into her and couldn’t have prevented it, and she shouldn’t have been running across the road).
Lots of blame being put on the biker here and absolutely none of it deserved.
He wasn’t filtering, he was doing at least 25kph and would have had to slam on the brakes as the pedestrians had not even started walking across the road. He was wrong wrong wrong wrong and he could be taken to court.
fully agree, SHE ran into him – he was going straight, he didn’t knock into her whatsoever, SHE RAN into the side of him. I don’t see how he was in the wrong in any way. And yes, he was ok to do what he did, he was able to clear the yellow box.. well he would have if she didnt KNOCK him off HIS bike by crashing her big fat face into the side of him. Also, I know its not illegal to cross and do what she did, in america it is, but not here – in reality she could have caused a much serious accident by being so stupid.>>
Paolo you’re just trolling. That is almost the definition of filtering, he was on his side of the road and had a clear path through the junction. “At least 25kph” is half the speed limit and necessary to actually get through the junction. She totally blindsided him and people here are saying it’s somehow his fault. Some crowd of contrarian idiots on here.
Tending to his bike = switching off the engine as you could clearly hear it revving out of gear.
I can’t watch the video in work, but… Lane splitting is legal on a motorcycle & is actively encouraged. In the UK you will fail your test if you are not seen to make progress through traffic….
You might say that but there’s nothing in the Rules of the Road about it. It does say that motorcyclists should avoid riding between traffic lanes. A grey area at best. He seemed more concerned about his bike than the woman. Obviously, she’s primarily at fault but god knows what a court would rule.
She’s very lucky she went into the side of the bike, and not out in front of him as that could have been a bad accident.
Pedestrians do this regularly in Dublin (had a similar collision on a push-bike recently, that probably caused worse injuries). It would be nice to see the transport department do a bit of a campaign to raise caution (already emailed them – anyone else?).
What about the two clowns who stopped in the yellow box? You could argue if they hadn’t broken the law then she would have seen the biker.
I walk by that junction almost every day, for some reason there are ALWAYS cars stopped in the yellow box, and not just ones that are turning right there. They at least have the excuse that they can’t see the lights after the yellow box before they make the turn, but drivers turning left or coming straight across that junction regularly stop in the box too.
That’s a pedestrian crossing right in front of the yellow box by the way. Since the traffic is stopped I can only assume the lights are green for pedestrians. I don’t know what that woman was thinking.
yeah fully agree. Cars are filling that yellow box every day but in this example as far as I know if you are turning right you are entitled to stop in a yellow box in order to join traffic. It is the main purpose of having yellow boxes. Unlike if you are going straight and cannot clear the box you are not allowed to drive into it and stop.
The clowns in the yellow box (three of them, and the last one is stopped on tram line, by the looks of it) are actually a good reason for her to be *more* careful since her view is obstructed. Even if she has right of way, it’s still her responsibility to look where she’s going before she goes there.
ten metres away from the pedestrian crossing, TEN metres. Why?
@Wayne – still waiting for the law you think the biker broke. Apart from not allowing for a pedestrian to not be where she’s not supposed to be, that is.
The culprits here are actually the car drivers. It is illegal to stop in a yellow box junction. If the cars were breaking the law both the biker and pedestrian would have had much better sight lines. Tbh, all the cars in the box in the video should be ticketed/fined.
John, yep the cars should be punished, biker is careless, wrong side of the road overtaking where it is not safe to do so, but obviously he is the poor innocent victim here
The biker was driving without due care and attention. He came around the corner and would have been forced to stop quickly on the clearway. She was wrong to attempt to cross there but, as bikers always say, she is the more vulnerable road user and it is the biker’s responsibility to keep her safe.
I’m certainly not blaming the biker here but if the cars were in the wrong, to be parked on the box, then so was the motorcyclist as he was going nowhere after he entered it and was only adding to the offence heap that the others had started.
The cars were turning right and joining the road are entitled to drive into and stop in a yellow box. That is why there are installed to make sure on busy streets that there is opportunity for secondary road traffic to join. I think the bike was accelerating yes but not going dangerously fast, the pedestrian knocked the guy off the bike as much as he hit a pedestrian. I think pedestrians take a lot of chances crossing roads in the city centre, I am surprised this doesn’t happen more.
…damn auto-correct ! what I meant was if the cars were OBEYING the law, then both the biker and pedestrian would have had better sight lines……..
Other parties and wrongdoings aside, pedestrian didn’t have good sight lines but was still determined to gallop across the road anyhow! Fool.
The biker didn’t have good sight lines but came around the corner at speed.
agree!!!!
I think the road markings contribute to the problem here too. It is unusual to require traffic to stop just after going through a turn – left or right. Cars are going to try and make it through the lights so as not to have to wait for the next light, and so end up in the yellow box. Pedestrians are going to try and cross at the junction.
Why isn’t the pedestrian crossing at the junction? It would remove the need for the yellow box.
I’d imagine this isn’t the first time a pedestrian has walked across right there.
The problem here is very simple and I do it myself all the time, the woman knows that had she walked down to the lights she would have missed the green man and would have to wait another 10 to 15 minutes before they changed back, the lights in town are green only for about 15 seconds, that is why people rush to get to the green man or take risky chances.
So, the cars are stopped, obviously either a yellow or red light because the filmer of this leaves a couple of seconds after the crash. The biker in question comes around that corner at a pretty good rate of speed, so the questions arises, where was he going? He was obviously trying to bypass the traffic that was there and get to the head of the queue. But at the rate of speed he was going he was either trying to rush through the light or was going to go through it. She’s a dumbass for not watching what she was doing and trying to cross there, but the guy on the bike has a lot to answer for.
Despite the fact that you are allowed stop on a yellow box if making a right turn, which these vehicles are doing, they are still breaking the rules in this case because you are only allowed stop before you make your right turn if you are waiting for a break in oncoming traffic. The cards on the box are stopped, not because they have a red light but because of the traffic jam in front of them. see here: https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.349127,-6.241115,3a,75y,129.59h,71.05t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sgtO1GPfZYKqVQ6JaOKfR1Q!2e0
The motorcycle should probably have been going a little more slowly but I can’t see that he has broken any traffic laws. On entering the yellow box he was able to exit it. The pedestrian is completely in the wrong in my view.
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.349127,-6.241115,3a,51.8y,157.39h,87.31t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sgtO1GPfZYKqVQ6JaOKfR1Q!2e0?hl=en
Could be a lady standing in front of that bin lorry, ready to sprint across to the railings on the right hand side of the picture.
If I were on a bike, I would consider it safe to overtake the lorry and proceed through the yellow box, stopping up at the pedestrian crossing.
I would definitely not consider it safe to overtake the lorry – at least not at the speed the courier was going. As a biker you need to assume that everybody is going to do something incredibly stupid that will result in your death.
If that were me, I might have made the right turn but at a very slow pace and, given there is no oncoming traffic, I’d keep well away from the lorry so if somebody did run out from in front of the it, we’d both have the time and space to register the threat and react appropriately.
That said, I don’t think the biker is entirely at fault here.