Tom writes:
The requirements to be a Grade V examiner require no qualifications other than to be a grade 3 clerical officer already in the civil service. No degree no experience just be a bureaucrat…
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“No degree no experience just be a bureaucrat”
think that through there Tom. Your inability to read and parse a job spec may or may not preclude you from applying.
Two years satisfactory work in a grade III civil service post *is* experience.
Also, why would this role need a degree? You’re organising the exams, not setting them…
Isn’t the issue more with the fact that 2 years as a grade 3 allows you to apply for a Grade 5 role? What happened to Grade 4?
if a grade III has the relevant experience and know how, why wouldn’t they apply for the V?
Maybe I’m unfamiliar with the intricacies of the public sector, but if a grade 3 had enough relevant experience would they not have already made grade 4?
I’m coming at this from a private sector approach, where a skip-level promotion isn’t really the done thing.
It’s about opportunity. You have to interview for everything. If you have enough experience as a Grade 3 you can apply for a Grade 4 position (if it comes up. Rarely in the last ten years in public sector). You can’t just become a Grade 4 due to experience. A Grade 3 can technically apply for a Grade 5 position but they’re in competition with Grade 4’s and Acting Grade 5’s so you can imagine your chances. You’d really have to shine.
I guess you’ve never heard of an entrepreneur in your ‘private sector approach’.
You’ve never heard of people skipping levels in the private sector? Happens all the time.
there may not be openings at grade IV – there’s been a freeze this last few years. i’d say in this case there’s a grade IV already doing the job and they’re looking to fill the post permanently now. they’re making those ‘acting up’ staff interview in open competitions over the next few months, so you’ll see a good few more of these advertised.
Outrageous. /s
What does the job consist of exactly? If it’s just administration of exams what’s the problem?
Common sense and relevant experience can surely be as useful as a degree for many positions ,particularly admin. The idea you need a degree for everything is nonsense, it’s becoming like the leaving cert, just a basis passport to employment instead of relevant education/ training for a position.
No mention there of being an “Examiner”. The whole job specs is about being an “Examination Officer” which is essentially a administrative position, orgainising meetings and other general Office Supervisor duties.
Nothing to see here buddy, non-story, waste of an article, waste of my time reading it…
Up to 48? Very nice!
I’m outraged by your misplaced outraged.
The vast majority of civil service clerical officers have degrees these days. Though theoretically I think you only need them for executive office level. The ‘common pool’ ie VEC, IT, DCC etc job scale is not quite the same as the general civil service grade system though, so be careful making comparisons. Also it says ‘not less than’ 2 years at grade 3. So maybe opening up the position to someone with a year at grade 3 and a year acting as a grade 4 without a pay increase, which has been the case for a lot of people over the last few years? Or something like that…
Having worked in another college they often turned down great IT candidates who had no masters in favour of mediocre ones with a masters in arts. Degrees are nothing compared to experience.
Good God Tom. How did you ever get a job if you cannot understand what that advertisement is saying? Maybe you are still stuck at grade 1 (whatever that is, I don’t work in the civil service).
isn’t the issue the fact that it’s closed to anyone but other civil service drones? don’t they need to make these open to qualified external candidates too?
nope.
yes
“experience in an office not lower that a Grade III”
At what grade to you need to be able to proof-read?
This is a redeloyment, so the State doesn’t actually increase its headcount. The qualifications are a minimum. The successful candidate will, in all probability, be quite well qualified both in terms of experience and educational qualifications.
If anything, many recently recruited public servants are over-qualified due to the very competitive competitions.
BTW, this post is a public servant post, not a civil servant one!
If a private sector firm had “no public sector workers need apply” there’d be outrage, non?
Yes, but then private sector businesses are not directed by the Government to not increase headcount.
+1
You can apply for a Job 2 grades above your own once you have relevant experience. There will be post specific requirements in the job spec which will indicate the competencies required for the job. I assume either someone acting in the job, or a grade 3 or grade 4 already working in the department but who had little or no scope for career advancement over the past 7 years will be only too delighted to see this.
I have a level 3 wizard (complete with robe and cap) can I apply?