Construction underway in August at Clontarf Road, Dollymount
I share the dismay of Kay O’Rourke (October 7th) at the new concrete wall going up along the Clontarf Road. This wall blocks the view of the lagoon and Bull Island from the road and appears to be heading from the causeway all the way to the wooden bridge. None of our local representatives flagged it at the planning stages. All I got through my letterbox was the good news story of work beginning on a new coastal bike path. This view is one of the great joys of living in this part of the city and a major public amenity beloved by generations of locals and day-trippers alike. To add insult to injury, this stretch of the seafront is not prone to flooding.
A wall and Dublin Bay (Irish Times letters’ page)
suck it up ye auld hag, have u seen the state of the “cycle path on that stretch of road? It’s death trap. So your view of the lagoon is affected, boo hoo.
The wall is not required for the cycle path. They are just doing the two things at the same.
my bad. I don;t understand the logic of “i’d rather deal with the after effects of floodin than losing my view” surely some people would much prefer the other way around. Some more info here
Actually I think that information is out of date and the sizes been spoken about is all wrong
this is update from August
i mean, raising sea levels, climate change, here’s the effects dahhlin, besides the huge yellow sand bags they started putting up every year make the place look like a kip
There are no sand bags along this section of the road and it is not the area where the flooding happens or that comes close to flooding. That happens further up in Clontarf.
I don’t think the sea cares where the bags are during a storm.
that area will eventually be flooded. Besides if you put a barrier in one area that prevents water from leaking through where do you think the flood level is going to keep moving to until it finds a way through?
also should be good craic along clontarf when the dredging begins in the port for accomodating more of the super liners. Could be worse, you could live in sandymount and have an incinerator on your doorstep or ringsend/inchicore with a 24hr operational port on top of you.
I’m curious do any of the local Clontarf representatives/TDs live along the stretch directly affected by the building of these flood defences?
I think the good people of Inchicore, Dublin 8 would be rightly alarmed at an operation port on their doorstep!
operational port, damn spell check!
They built portholes for Bono, so he could gaze out across the bay and sing about mountains, maybe.
You are what you own in this land
You can be King and it all depends on the view and what you can see, and around here nobody tells me what to do anymore
they would indeed! Irishtown is what i meant, but sure we all make mistakes.
Clontarf not prone to flooding? eh, yes, it is. This from last year:
Love the giant sandbag look, very fetching.
And here’s the lovely wooden bridge being battered by those storms:
DCC being pro-active on flood defenses, fair play to ’em.
I don’t think it counts as pro-active when it follows about a decade of flooding.
Touché! They’ve been opposed by residents all the way.
They’ll be quick to say why something wasn’t done when their homes are fupped.
Build it, and they’ll come round.
Balls to them and their view. Safety is more important. Sorry love, no one is on your side here…move on
it should be clear beforehand it wasn’t
so they is just doing it to rile up the middle classes it is?
On the northsoide?
I know BS is trolling me with this idle tittle and yet I can’t help myself ridiculing the correspondent
correspondent, you suck
A lot of people are pro the decimation of the view, but in fairness this is a terrible design. There are many alternatives for the Clontarf area.
1) Maybe extreme but building of a flood defense gateway between sutton and bull island.
2) temporary motorised shutters that can be raised in flood conditions
3) A pump and drain system
4) Clear transparent barriers so at least people can see through them
Building a big f**k off wall so anyone going along that stretch can’t enjoy one of the nicest views of the city is insane and a typically backward Irish attitude to an engineering problem. But sure f**k it, build walls all around the country and turn in into a f**kin Escape from New York style prison.
Your suggestion is a load off Bull?
baddum… But as you ask, not bull at all. All of these suggestions are valid and established technologies.
Not In My Ireland’s Eye!
As usual, the oracle of google has spoken!
Local people were involved with the new re-design.
Asking residents to design a flood barrier is like asking someone to give themselves heart surgery. In much the same was as residents largely aren’t cardiac surgeons they are neither engineers or architects. They will have been presented a number of budget scraping options and been told to pick one. They have only been involved in the design process at the end.
Main point of the original article was that they didn’t know this was happening.
She should probably pay more attention so.
they did know but its hard to imagine what it will really look like
5 ft wall. Not that hard really is it? Christ they have terrible imaginationd
~3ft according to DCC, so yes the drawings show people standing beside and obviously being able to see over it, but people may not have realised, they may not be able to see the lagoon from the passengers sets of cars, I can understand why that disappoints, but flood defence takes precedence.
So your saying your own argument is invalid. Cheers
I gave myself the clap once.
thats the Clontarf flood berm, that was delayed, and residents means the CRA/CBA, Cllrs and few others people its not public consultation its the restriction of information in order to co-opt a few to agree
It’s a tough one to be honest and most of the politicians are spinning this as a cycle path initiative with no mention of a sea wall in the many flyers they send around. I guess if you are driving along there you should not be looking at the view, but focusing on the road ahead and if you are cycling or running/walking you are on the other side of the wall without an obstructed view.
I know if I was living directly across from there my main concern would be protecting my property from rising sea levels and storms. Sure they could have come up with automatic rising sea walls but I am guessing they were cost prohibitive options.
badly explained to people as ever from DCC as was the Clontarf berm
here are the plans/drawings, not great, but they say the wall will be ~3 feet http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content//RoadsandTraffic/MajorTransportProjects/Documents/1002.pdf
yes it might block the view a bit more but, public consultation > flood defence > view
Yes, probably is 3ft, the “5ft” quite likely, but not confirmed to have, came from the letter writer’s bumhole.
You appear to speak with an element of authority on the subject of bumholes
I drive along that stretch of road and I’ve always liked looking into the sea or mud as I drive. On a calm day with the tide in, I pay extra attention to the flat surface for the tell tale ripples of the mullet shoals.
If this wall is what they say it is, am I not going to be able to do this any more? You mean I’ll have to keep my eyes on the road instead?
Is it I good spot for a bit of mullet? Going fishing
the Irish Times letter “There appears to be a 5ft solid concrete wall going up all along the Clontarf Road, taking away the beautiful view we have enjoyed over a lifetime. I do not see any necessity for this. It will now be impossible, while driving, to see the layout of Dublin Bay, a natural view that lifted the spirits when coming out of the traffic confusion of Dublin. Can anyone tell me why this has to be?” if the road was flooded would you even be able to drive on it, to no longer see the view? its 3ft btw http://www.tommybroughan.com/raheny-clontarf-flood-defence-wall-not-fully-thought-through-broughan/ the Jim Larkin Road will also be raised slightly and that this should restore at least part of the view.
Fock off North sidders!
Clontarf, the northside Sandymount.
Hasn’t this been public knowledge for several years?
plans go back to 2012 and before that to 2009 i think, but again need pre-vis, and actively telling people, telling people you might not be able to sea the lagoon from the road, it might be incidental but tell people anyway
Talking about wanting your cake and eating it. In this case it’s a six tier cake… you either want the view and the flooding causing 100’s of thousands in damage or you can do without a view and live safely knowing that your house is not going to end up part of Dublin bay for the fifth winter in a row.
I really hope there is a big storm which washes this fool over to Snowden, he can enjoy the view from up there
I am guessing that the majority of the really bitter, nasty and angry comments here are from trolls. I don’t want to believe that there are so many people in dublin without any appreciation for natural beauty. The proposed sea wall will ruin one of the most beautiful views of any city I’ve visited. I live in raheny and it lifts my soul to drive along there on a fine day. DCC need to go back to the drawing board.