From top: Today’s Ireland edition of The Times; the proposed hotel viewed from South Street, Dublin 8
BAM properties will use an ‘inverted hotel model’ where the reception area is switched to the top floor and the rooms are located underneath for the eight storey, 202 bed hotel.
Hey at least Denis isn’t involved.
Oh…
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No point giving us a link saying “Oh…” to a paywalled site…
Aye.
Was hoping for a YouTube link to one of the countless toons that begin with ‘Oh’.
This was originally granted permission in 2009 and the permission was extended last year to 2019. The current application is for an additional 14 hotel rooms http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3755/15&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2686121%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href=%27wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=3229600%26StartIndex=61%26SortOrder=APNID%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2686121%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%27%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E
That’s absolutely excellent news, that area needs something badly
It doesn’t need this. More homes would be better.
Perhaps it’ll be a hotel where the “house” homeless families.
Does it need that though?
But does it have to be so ugly?
No, but it certainly helps.
Exactly – there are excellent architects in Dublin but some of the same names seem to be able to get permission for any old lazy but commerically good schemes
Current wasteland could do with a makeover.
Yeah! Let’s Donald Trump the fupp out of it. That way it’ll be a different kind of wasteland.
what’s historic about it?
It’s right next to New Street, which is the oldest st in Dublin. It’s a sensitive area right next to the Liberties. It’s also not a place i would like to live at the moment though.
Nice irony to New Street being the oldest.
And that all makes it historical, not historic.
The adjacent site, and possibly this one, has historic tanning pits below the surface. The industry associated with these beds and the building currently occupied by South Studios on New Row South have been there centuries, and this building is mentioned in Joyce’s Ulysses. The tanning pits were recently excavated and promptly covered up pending the construction of a luxury student accommodation block.
I’m a resident in the neighbourhood. The Blackpitts is hidden behind Clanbrassil St/New St on one side and Cork St on the other and is accessible only via narrow slip roads or Newmarket Square. I’m very surprised planning for a hotel and commercial building (which seems to be part of the plan, too) has been granted on the basis of traffic congestion alone. Added to that, it’s one of the last remaining, quiet inner-city residential areas in the city with a convent, primary school, secondary school and community centre placed alongside this site.
The city is in the middle of a housing crisis and this area is an important residential area.
I’m never one to bemoan intelligent, sensitive development that makes some kind of positive change in an area. The neighbourhood does need more commercial life, which was destroyed by the Dublin City Council’s destruction of Clanbrassil St., New St. and Patrick St. as an important commercial thoroughfare (and Jewish shopping quarter) with its road widening scheme. There are now very few places for businesses to set up, creating critical mass, but in spite of that, the area has seen the emergence of The Fumbally Café, re-emergency of Leonard’s Corner and retained a busy trade among the muslim community. There seems to be talk of inclusion of ground floor commercial spaces, or offices. This needs to be clarified.
In addition to that, the site is on the edge of the Tenters, a hugely important historic area, first settled by Hugenots who established their weaving industry there, followed by the establishment of the Free State’s first housing development, built around the time of the Civil War, and to celebrate the development’s centenary in 2022.
Given its location, with schoolchildren, pedestrians and the area being a historic warren of narrow streets, populated by many families with children, it certainly seems no due consideration has been given to the value of this development for the local community.
Also, the building is just out of scale with surrounding structures. Apartments on one side are 3-4 storeys, which seems comparable until you see elevations depicting the complex hulking over the two-up-two-down terraced redbrick houses below off Blackpitts street.
DCC needs to go back to the drawing board.
Well put Thomas!!!
The area is a domestic haven with the bonus of being located so near the city centre.
It would be madness to build such a big hotel in the middle of it.
The regeneration of New Market around the corner is being handled in a sensible way. Keep going along those lines.
Yes thanks for pointing this out! I lived in St John’s St for a few years and its a lovely quiet area but in no way can it handle anymore traffic- blackpits is a narrow road. Homes are needed in the area and I am flabbergasted its being developed into a hotel- it’s the wrong area entirely and is out of context.
My word Thomas, methinks you should start your own Dublin site…may copy & paste that for interesting Dublin walking sojourn!
did they ever do anything with the john player factory off donore avenue? that would make a better site for a hotel, no?
Yeah I’d agree. I think they sold it but I’m not sure what they’re doing about it.
Well put, thanks Thomas.
I live around the corner and made an objection to the student accommodation/nursing home because of traffic concerns and that they’ve only planned 4 parking spaces for that whole complex. It’s not a very safe area for children going to school there with the roads – there are two crossing wardens (lollipop ladies) at St. Michael’s school at least. Their reply was that they didn’t think it would adversely affect traffic and that the parking spaces would only be available to nursing home visitors (which is not even close to enough for just visitors in my opinion). Such a joke. Hopefully the hotel will have underground parking, otherwise the parking around there will be mad.
Why would you not want to live there?
New Street is old, but it’s not the oldest street in Dublin.
Mm. The name alone suggests you are right.
The oldest house in Dublin is on Thomas St… yet New Street is the oldest street… I’m confused… a little…
Could it be that the first houses on the newer street were build before the older houses on the newer street?
#Simples :)
Its a great area.
Historic is a Dublin word for old and dirty.
The scale is absurd and totally out of keeping with the rest of the area. Unlikely to be granted planning in its current form. Standard developer tactic of asking for 8 floors and then reluctantly accepting permission for six floors, which is likely what they realistically wanted in the first place.
They already have permission for 188 beds so this is an extra 14 beds on that.
The site next door also has permission for a 400 bed student accommodation scheme
“Student accommodation” – read low quality accommodation
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/student-accommodation-crisis-to-be-tackled-with-ambitious-41m-plan-for-residence-30634530.html
“Out of keeping with the rest of the area” When was the last time you were down there? Go have a look, actually wait until it gets dark and then go down
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3373521,-6.2752156,3a,75y,198.06h,85.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXlHZvTaRELoTLmi-V8eAtg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There is nothing down there over three floors in height. Admittedly quite a lot of it is brownfield scrub but still…
8 floors is not big, and is standard for most european capital city blocks that are considered low/mid rise
so edgy and gritty. It’s totally like the new kreuzberg. Now, where can I find an epic burger in Dublin, you big epic ride bag.
Nice comment Haribo – a bit out of date at this stage by a few years maybe but I still believe you will find a receptive audience over at Journal.ie. I’m not being ironic.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Lets not get carried away with unsubstantiated prejudices and just pure silliness.
I visit the area a lot and it’s an amazing place. I would love to live there.
Its bark is worse than its bite. Many a time I’ve stumbled up mill street in the wee hours. The whole area is a great place to live.
There’s close to a billion to be spent in the area around and including The Liberties. Most of this stuff got put on hold with the crash….. but we’re back baby….
http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/new-developments-totalling-890m-in-pipeline-for-dublins-liberties-30066885.html
Here’s the Blackpitts side of the site.
Disgusting building. Just because the surrounding area is not exactly attractive doesn’t mean one should heap more misery on it.
Or maybe the proposers are banking on the fact that there will be very few objections, because of it’s location. Banking.
It’s had permission for 6 years, the time for objections to the building is long passed. This permission is for minor alterations.
The planners are able to suggest that they will give permission for more units in return for a better design
Not at this stage when the substantitive design is already granted. They can only apply conditions to what is applied for.
Cue the whingers (usually peaked cap and wellington wearers) about the reception being on the top floor.
It’s great that they’re keeping the Tenters. Presumably it’ll add to the cost of the building to have to build around it.
Nominally
No! Let’s keep the inner city low-rise, low-density, as it is serviced, close to work and business locations, and transport. Let’s build further out past the Shannon, and drive into town every day, let’s have hotels out on the Long Mile Road, or Newslands Cross, let’s have students live in poo damp bedsits..no no…this would be mad, you can walk to town in 10mins, let’s make people earn their way into town….
I’m all for high rise and the site is MASSIVE – they don’t have to have the 8 stories right on the street- it could be stepped back from the road.
its way too big for the area. they’ll absolutely clean up tho, its walking distance to st.pats cathedral, christchurch, dub castle, guinness whorehouse, dublinia, etc. etc.
Digging the foundations here will be fun.
The area is called Blackpits because its where they put the mass graves of people who died in the Black death. It was also used as tanning pits.
The stench from the dig even now would be something else.
Best of luck to ’em.
Most inner city sites have contamination problems
I live around the corner and walk the dog around this site. ANYTHING in its place would be better. 100 storey skyscraper or a 1 storey, the place needs something to keep the rats away.
The way it overhangs the pub show the greed here.
It’d probably be cheaper to knock the pub than Overhang it. If they were really greedy it’d be gone.
Smacks of Celtic Tiger emptiness.
So a derelict site is better? Its been a state for years. Would bring a bit of life to the place.
I don’t think anyone wants a derelict site, people are concerned with the type of development, its purpose, and means of access. Should be planning 101 to be honest
+1
I live around the corner – it’s an up and coming area – student accommodation will be good in the new site if done properly, Teresa’s Gardens is being rejuvenated, Newmarket is improving with Green Door market and Teeling Distillery – there are a host of new cafes, newish craft beer pubs on Clanbrassil Street – Bastible – a cool looking restaurant has just opened at Leonards Corner and there is a new yoga and coffee place opening soon too in addition to trendy spots such as Bi Bis and Noshington and Fumbally. This hotel, if done right, would fit in with all of that and would add to the area, providing they route traffic etc through the right places. Newspapers have to do graphics of planning pics, but they are better pictures of what this would look like on the planning website so it’s a bit unfair to be judging on the image in the story. Can see merit to the concerns about height but Dublin has to start maximising potential of sites.
Bibi’s in fairness is safe within Hipsterville civility.
This hotel seems to be bordering on lesser genteel surroundings.
Still, always great to see improvements & a return a to safer, pleasant community locale.
Has happened with Dun Laoire People’s Park & surrounds.
Does anybody know why planning submissions aren’t put online?
In this day & age, one shouldn’t have to go to the County Council offices to have a look at a couple of 2D printed plans.
The developers (incidentally a wing of a ‘commercially aggressive’ builder’s firm) changed the permission from resi to hotel in 2009.
Not sure if this is still the most profitable option or if they don;t want to go back to planning again.
as if by magic
http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3755/15&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2686983%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href=%27wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=3230515%26StartIndex=31%26SortOrder=APNID%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2686983%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%27%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E
They are put online. With a pretty easy searching system.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gentrification
Why all these plans for hotels? Isn’t it housing we urgently need? Housing with good local facilities – playgrounds, shopping streets, libraries…
Just throwing this in there, but wasn’t [redacted] lurking around here a few months ago? I saw him standing outside that very spot. Anyone know if he’s behind it?
click on the Oh link
Looks shoi now, will look worse when its built, will look worse still after a few years tagging, wear and tear, etc.
Dreadfull.
Really, we need an association of people who care about Dublin – not an upper-class one like An Taisce, but another, more involved with the working-class city, so that all these developers’ applications can come up against a strong, massive, powerful group of Dubliners who want our city to be for the people of Dublin, rather than to be rebuilt to suit the pockets of the greedyguts.
I’m all for moderate high-rise – *if* it’s built with *facilities*, and *if* it works. Ballymun should have been great, but the towers were left essentially in a wasteland without proper facilities for the people who lived there, and the maintenance should shame Dublin Corporation/Dublin City Council – lifts that seldom worked, filthy stairs, misery.
DubLoony has a good point about the Black Death bodies under the Tenters. Might I remind people that when the old Coombe Hospital was rebuilt, it was not rebuilt on its original site because the doctors on the Coombe’s board warned that the microbes would still quite possibly be active in the corpses of the bubonic plague victims buried underneath. The original hospital had relatively shallow foundations, but the new, higher building was going to require going down deep.