135 thoughts on “De Saturday Papers

        1. John

          Looking forward to all the lovely Irish Islamic leaders publicly uniting in their condemnation of the killing of their fellow EU citizens, terrorism, ISIS and killing in the name of allah. Just like they did for the Paris shootings. The nasty EU countries that provide them with religious freedom, health, education, passports and welfare. And all we ask for is a bit of public solidarity.

          Until this happens, planning permission for Clongriffin should be suspended. Expect silence from all but the “moderate” front men who are rolled out to speak to RTE and the Oirish Toimes. Media front men are not the ones doing the preaching.

          1. :-Joe

            You are dead right, the Islamic leaders all around the world need to stand up together and publicly condemn this behaviour and show that Islam does not represent or condone these actions.

            Well there’s a slight problem and the main reason they don’t ….
            It;s not Islam that attacked Paris it was violent murderers who were most likely insane and/or brainwashed by extreme Wahhabi and not Islam in any generalised sense. If it was Islam in general then there would be murders and bombs repeatedly day in day out to the point of carnage and destruction of which you can’t even imagine.

            If you want the people responsible to stand up to answer for this you will find them in Saudi Arabia, they originally lived in the desert and were scattered around in small Bedouin tribes. Saudi Arabia is where all this fundamentalist extremist ideology originated from. Isn’t it funny that they also happen to be the west’s favourite oil partner and military arms and security contract customer in the middle east.

            Islamic leaders need to deal with their own problems and we in the west need to stay the fup out of it and stop interfering with the middle east for our own interests i.e Arms dealing, Military Support & Petro-Dollars in exchange for barrels of Texas-Tea.

            :-J

          2. meadowlark

            These are what we call consequences. So many innocent people dead because of the decisions of a few. Such an effing waste.

  1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    David Cameron et al, maybe the next time you want to make a propaganda item in the news about taking out a ISIS bad guy, smarter people will tell you not to.

    Although, it is likely that this was planned for a long time.

    I find it sad that they bombed the crap out of Iraq, for no reason, but they are a lot more restrained in dealing with an active army (ISIS) in the Middle East.

    1. Kieran NYC

      +1

      Also the irony of the UK Independent. The top banner saying ‘ISIS will barely notice’.

      I think they did.

    2. B Hewson

      The active army is already in Europe too. Your right though, time to face into some difficult decisions. Pass laws to arrest and detain for displaying or tweeting or texting any support for IsIs or extreme Islam. Police ‘monitoring’ returnees from Syria is madness. Lock them up. Any refugees or even Europeans who show any lack of appreciation for European values and our way of life should also be shipped back. Nutters in London demanding Sharia law to replace our laws need to given a choice, one way ticket to Syria or to be locked up. Stop giving people who hate the West the benefit of the doubt.

  2. CousinJack

    It appears that suppression of islamism and western control of the middle east amd north africa are the only reasonable way to proceed.
    It seems that the pre-ww2 british were right after all

    1. Kieran NYC

      Lead the way. But I bet it wouldn’t involve anything more than you shouting at the next brown person you see.

          1. Sido

            You need to read what you write, before you say you don’t resort to knee jerk reactionary ideas.

            Keep insulting.

    2. CousinJack

      Agree.
      Fight or die.
      Muslims should be considered to be enemies of europe and returned to their states of origin (all be it for many this wil be states in the EU) We should also cut all ties with Israeli whose behaviour is the catalyst for middkle east terorism
      Saddam and Gaddafi were the good guys (or atleast a bulwark against the really bad guys), silly PC liberals reap what you sowed
      Time to end muslim immigration

      1. Caroline

        Yes. Of course hindsight is 20/20, but looking back now at when those silly PC liberals attacked Iraq and overthrew Saddam. Jesus, what were they thinking.

        1. Caroline

          And don’t even get me started on the silly PC liberals who defend Israel at almost all costs. I’d have to get the admins to delete and ban me!

        2. Mick Flavin

          I had a similar reply typed out, Caroline, but then I wondered what would be the point. Time for an internet sabbatical.

          1. Caroline

            You know me Mick, I keep it strictly futile. Now don’t disappear forever, that’s the only way the idiots can truly win.

          2. Mick Flavin

            I’m off on me holliers for a week anyway. I fully expect that upon my return the BS comment section will be a model of enlightenment, cleansed of reaction in the crucible of nuanced debate…

        3. jungleman

          Caroline, I presume you are being sarcastic. Cousinjack is being completely knee jerk and racist. But the invasion of Iraq WAS utterly moronic. it just wasn’t lefty liberals who did it.

          1. Caroline

            Lol did you just mansplain my own point back to me?

            I’m kidding I’m kidding, it’s a truth worth repeating without the questionable benefit of my boundless sarcasm.

          2. the pidgeon man

            “mansplain”? give up your prejudice chicken. there’s more to life than hating big boys…. k? xxxx

      2. Deluded

        This is exactly the kind of language and attitude that tore Europe apart during the Reformation.
        It’s hard to imagine the purpose, I presume it’s widespread idiocy and angry frustration at the complexities of existence.
        Islam is the same as Christianity anyway.

          1. Deluded

            Hi Mick.
            I am only on Broadsheet- no other forums.
            I don’t tweet or Facebook.
            I don’t have other accounts or names.
            I was an angry anti-cultist when I joined and tried to mature as a commenter, hence the name-changes.

          2. Mick Flavin

            I wasn’t questioning your motives or anything Del, just thought you were someone on Twitter.
            Don’t you know that progressing your opinions is against the spirit of the Internet. Pick a side and stick to it, man.

          3. Lilly

            I’d love a potted history of the name changes, who people were and who they have become. You have a nice vibe Deluded, whoever you are or were.

          4. Deluded

            It’s a vast library beyond the dreams of Ptolemy and we’re out in the yard trading insults with the lads behind the bike shed.
            I just came out for the fresh air ; )

          5. Deluded

            Thanks Lilly- that’s another day’s work.
            For the moment I am concerned with how we are being driven to extremism.

  3. Janet, I ate my avatar

    Paris je t’aime, à harrowing night, fraternité, égalité and solidarité forever.

    1. Janet, I ate my avatar

      Liberté is a different question.
      A very quite sad place to wake up to today. My hearts with everyone touched by this insanity.

  4. Frilly Keane

    I just don’t know what’s ahead for all ov’us
    TBH
    But I’ll be staying clear of London for sure

    Sorry lads
    I’m a bit overwhelmed by the attacks in Paris

      1. Frilly Keane

        Just call me Dave
        Dave
        Has now said an attack on UK soil is highly likely
        “Be prepared for UK casualties”

        And Gatwick is now shut down

        A “We are at war” may be along shortly IMO

        Am I being hysterical?
        Maybe
        But imagine the body count if those 2 headers got inside the Stadium……

        1. Lilly

          Well if it’s any consolation Frilly, heard a guy on the radio argue convincingly that ISIS are in a weak position at the mo and this was them lashing out in an attempt to assert strength.

  5. Twunt

    Our media bleats on about the Halawa pup, but right now his family are celebrating these attacks, cowardly acts carried out in the name of Islam.

      1. Twunt

        eh yes they do, only yesterday various radio stations were on about his latest hunger strike. I believe this is his 3rd one until he is released. One cannot believe a word the Halawa’s say, they have been completely discredited yet out liberal media give them a free ride.

        1. Lilly

          So what, you think this 17-year-old kid was a terrorist as opposed to a naive twit who got caught up in something? He has been incarcerated long enough without a trial. Set him free but by all means keep an eye on him.

          1. Twunt

            I don’t support incarnation with trial. However, his family’s attempts to paint themselves as entirely innocent have been exposed as a sham.

            I would much rather he remains locked up in Egypt, than have him free to promote his ideology here. I do not think our Guards are up to the task of monitoring such people.

          2. meadowlark

            I saw an article on Buzzfeed there yesterday about him. It was (unsurprisingly) woefully scant on information, like his background and precisely how he ended up in jail. His sisters are now asking David Cameron to intervene.

  6. :-Joe

    Apparently some of the gunmen in the Bataclan were shouting comments about French involvement in the bombing of Syria.

    It was disgusting to see Obama the remote control war criminal and Nobel peace laureate(really..wtf???) jumping all over it with his bullshit anti terrorism rhetoric while the French president was in the middle of giving a live public address before the mayhem had even ended… The US war machine wastes no time in reinforcing its brand image of when it comes to bombing brown people remotely WE ARE Fuppin A No.1. Hell Yeah & Yee Haw!!!……

    While tragic and awful it all is I’m sorry folks, the facts are the facts.,,, If you fup de fup with other people persistently, committing war crimes against them, act like you own the world, believe that it’s your responsibility to police everything, set up a thousand military bases globally, do everything you can to promote your corporate greed and protect your interests internationally at the expense of literally anything and everything on the planet…. then guess what?…. Crazy and sometimes weird consequences….

    You can only expect an eventual backlash from victims and from many others who don’t agree with your brand of fascist ideology and people just not willing to do what you want because you call yourself the UN or the Allied Forces or the Coalition of the willing or the Land of the free and the home of the brave.

    People in France should ask themselves why do these suicidal people with AK47’s and hand grenades supporting a cause from a far off land want to randomly kill people in restaurants, a music venue and a sports stadium? Why is this happening, what are all the possible causes, is there anything we may be responsible for together as a country that nobody wants to talk about or admit?…. Maybe we should change our priorities when it comes to imperialism, arms dealing and our allies. and if this continues on then what is or who is next?..

    I’m just fuppin piffed off with all this terrorism/freedom fighter bs.

    1. B Hewson

      So it’s all the fault of the west and we deserve this. F U for trying to justify what these animals have done. They attack young men and women out socialist together, drinking, at concerts, watching sports, anywhere they can. They want our women in Burcas and Sharia law. I prefer Europe they way we all enjoy if it. Free for men and women. Maybe, just maybe we should stay as we are and extremists and their supporters and apologists should be locked up.

      1. :-Joe

        Hey I feel your anger and your pains about why this happened…

        I’m not taking the pi$$ when I say this, I’m not against you or with anyone else and I wouldn’t say anything on here if I didn’t believe it and have facts to back it up.

        Especially commenting on an incident where people just lost there lives in a massacre.

        It’s not personal and I’m not fuppin around with my words.

    2. Linbinius

      @ Joe

      So the French should take collective responsibility for the actions of France. So all Muslims living within the Islamic State should expect to be open targets for the recrimination about to come?

      “Oh but they have no choice but to stay there!!”

      You’re a fupping idiot Joe.

      1. jungleman

        Actually, joe is bang on the money. Of course these people were innocent civilians and did not deserve this. But the French people need to start holding their political leaders to account. Why did the French feel the need to get so involved in Syria, Nigeria, Libya, to name but a few.

        It really is time Ireland considered it’s position on the use of Shannon airport, in the interests of public safety. Our association with the American military machine is a danger to irish citizens.

        1. Linbinius

          It isn’t bang on the money at all. The “sure look what we did to them” doesn’t work in this instance for me. The Islamic State isn’t running solely on vengeance. It is an ideological battle that for France to now bow out off would do far greater damage.

          I am not naive enough to think this hasn’t been fueled, in large part, by interventionist policies of Western superpowers. Regardless of the past though, to show signs of restraint due to attacks like this gives more power and creedence to an organization that simply must be wiped out.

          Not just for the 100,000s of innocents killed and millions displaced but the fact that through social media they are spreading their poisonous ideology to disenchanted youth across Europe….and it’s fupping working.

          Also, they will be using Shannon as long as they want. We all know this.

          1. :-Joe

            You’re right it’s not the complete truth, it’s just my opinion.

            So, first off, I’m not making excuses for anyone and where did you get the idea about it just being motivated by vengeance and can you define your understanding and the meaning of “Islamic state” and what the “idealogical battle” you mention actually is?

            So forget the past, history, knowledge or facts, you don’t want any signs of restraint, the “organization” just “simply must be wiped out.” ? Really, I think the war propaganda is working on you?…

            Who exactly do you think is responsible and who do you think are actually the 100,000’s of people killed and millions displaced?

            So, we should just forget about Shannon?…. What?… Really?
            I think your imagination or something in your thought process is running a little wild my friend…

            :-J

          1. Frilly Keane

            D’ya not trust Minister Covney to be a wartime Minister for Defence Nelli?

            But surely with the Statesman that is Minister for F.A. Charlie Flanagan giving ‘im a hand …

      2. :-Joe

        Ok let’s assume I’m an idiot.

        So, So, So,

        At what point in my comments did I mention that the French victims or all the French citizens were individually and directly responsible for 13/11 (I’m sure this is what it will eventually be co-opted and branded as btw.)

        Also, where do I state that Muslims living anywhere in the world should expect retaliation.

        Everyone has choices but what’s that got to do with what I said. I’m genuionely confused as to what you imagination has translated my words into.

        Remember, if you’re going to argue with an idiot be careful.
        It won’t take long for people to get confused as to who is actually the idiot because you’ll be quickly brought down their level and beaten with experience.

        :-J

        1. Twunt

          At least 2 of the terrorists traveled to France through Greece in the last few months. If is being reported that there were at least 2 Syrians and an Egyptian involved.

          1. :-Joe

            Why is the travel arrangements of brainwashed murderers suddenly more important than the reasons of why they though it was a good idea to be a part of what actually happened ?

            :-J

        2. Linbinius

          “is there anything we may be responsible for together as a country that nobody wants to talk about or admit?” There is a clear implication here that maybe the French people don’t understand their place or role in this. The vast majority do. Are you suggesting that mass marches, petitions etc. would stop France from it’s operations?

          “Also, where do I state that Muslims living anywhere in the world should expect retaliation.” I stated Muslims living in the islamic state. I never suggested you meant across the world.

          I am of course willing to acknowledge the past. All the facts and figures. What i am saying Joe, is after something like this do you think France should come out with a statement detailing how they are winding down operations. They didn’t think this would happen. They are sorry. Won’t do it again…Is that the course of action you think France should take?

          I would consider the islamic state to be regions controlled by ISIS. Eastern Syria, Northwest Iraq. The ideological part is that they actually declared a caliphate last summer. No group has done this before. It means that its main goal is to spread. It’s an end of days type o thing. Ye dig?

          In the same vein, if we had half a million people out marching do you think America would stop using Shannon? You talk about the US war machine as if it is an unstoppable force yet naively mention how citizens must try to shut it down.

          “Really, I think the war propaganda is working on you?… ” What do you think should be done, Joe? Cease all operations? Are you also a support of the levels of immigration into Europe from the region?

          “I think your imagination or something in your thought process is running a little wild my friend” Joe, I think the same can be said for you. You have America as the guy to blame and wrap all your opinions around that. As i said. Western intervention has played a huge part, namely the invasion of Iraq, but how we got here doesn’t fully explain how it can be solved.

          1. :-Joe

            @linbinius..
            It’s not a rhetorical question and I’m not implying that the French are ignorant of reality.. Somehow democracy has failed and in many ways, take a deep breath, talk about it for while and think before looking for revenge. France was originally opposed to the Iraq war.. why change now?… The imperialist military action against terrorism in Algeria didn’t go down well either… and they know better than any of us.

            Petitions, marches etc…. If citizens anywhere want democracy then they need to learn how to take part in the process and take some responsibility for managing the actions of elected politicians and help to improve the system of accountability and reform, amongst many other issues. It’s not enough to just wait every few years to take action through the ballot box, whining on a keyboard until the next shower offer the solution-the plan-the future-get elected and have already reneged on it all, long before the ink was even printed in their minds..

            if citizens do not become active citizens in their own democracy they are more likely to become part of an atomised mass that plays beautifully into the equation of ownership and control. It’s not enough to keep asking questions and challenge people for answers. Citizens need to actually take responsibility and do something positive for their own democracy. If you read the wrong knowledge and information or if you’re just plain wrong sometimes, then hopefully you’ll be found out and you learn from it and evolve into something better than before and return the favour for someone else.

            So yes, do something, anything you think will help, otherwise you end up being part of the problem by omission of duty and responsibility. If it gets too much to deal with you could just give up your passport and move somewhere else.

            I can dig your patronising tone, part of the reason for this late reply and that you seem to be obsessing over “operations” by France and the fact that the Islamic state represents only ISIS in your mind. Really?.. I sincerely hope this is confusion or a typo. The caliphate is irrelevant in dealing with the actual source of the problem which is the ideology of Wahhabi, far older than any recent threats. In fact the term ISIS / ISIL just like Al Qaeda before is just another form of doublespeak in terminology used to serve the function of the western narrative to keep you waving your arms in the air and demanding blood before the truth. Your version of “Islamic state” does not even include Saudi Arabia, probably the most important factor in all this insanity.

            Yes, full withdrawal by the west from the middle east, including some of the 1000+ US military bases around the world. Proper, legal, international diplomacy would be a good start and good for all people everywhere.

            Mass Immigration… If the west wants to spread democracy it should take responsibility for making a complete disaster of the idea and destroying other sovereign nations, at least in some way.
            So, yes welcome in all peoples of the planet as much as possible and take responsibility for what we have done to harm them. We could recondition the lives of a few starving families through Shannon with all those harmless empty planes and let the US help with the majority and our overflow.

            The west is a key part but only one part of the problem. The US and France are parts of the west. The problems in Paris you are looking at now did not start in the illegal invasion of Iraq or any of the recent “operations”in the middle east.

            I don’t know why you keep offering alternative statements to what my comments mean.as though you think they should or want them to be saying something different. If you just ask me a straight question I’ll answer it as best I can or feel free to just disagree, get angry and call me what you like. It is only the internet after all. Hope that answers your questions…

            :-J

  7. James Russell

    Can mods please ban people and delete posts criticizing islam? islam is the biggest victim in all this as people will question and make accusations against muslims as well as criticizing multiculturalism, europe is for everyone this will only be solved by MORE diversity not less.

    1. CousinJack

      JR, perhaps you should realise your attitude is the problem and not the solution
      These woolly ideas of diversity are the ones that enable islamic terrorism to function and spread. Islamic countries do not support human rights or equality – what do you want to protect?

      1. John

        He should stand outside Busaras with a little sign offering free hugs to the newly arrived and make sure that someone else pays for the free houses, healthcare, education and pocket money. Ireland needs more ethno-masochists like him!

        1. :-Joe

          Ye, and you should change your online name to John D, Racist or when in public you could wear a placard around your neck saying :
          ” I am an ignorant, racist bigot. Please ignore any noise that comes from my mouth or my keyboard. Thank you : D”

          Everyone’s a winner.

          :-J

      2. Twunt

        I genuinely thought he was being sarcastic, on reading back perhaps not.

        What kind of moron sees Islam as being the victim here? The mind boggles.

        1. :-Joe

          You can call me a moron because it was not Islam that attacked Paris it was insane murderers who most likely are brainwashed by Wahhabi.

          Look it up, I did and it works wonders for random bouts of confusion.

          :-J

      3. :-Joe

        How does diversity enable “Islamic Terrorism” to function and spread ?…
        The same could be said about Christian Terrorism making it a moot point, no?

        Islamic countries do support human rights and equality just not all to the same liberal levels that we are used to in the west.

        :-J

    2. GreenMan

      Can mods please ban people and delete posts supporting open boarders. I don’t like when others have a different opinion to me.

    3. Twunt

      Are you a convert to Islam?

      I am wondering why you would seek to suppress commentators on here, or what makes you think this might be entertained?

        1. Clampers Outside!

          A qualification of “Islamic extremist” instead of just “Islam” could have been used more in some comments above, I feel.

          But, there is calls above for more openness from the Islamic community in condemning all of the atrocities outright and the leaders, Imams and so on should be scrambling to the media to get their condemnation out. Let’s hope they are.

          1. B Hewson

            More than condemn, they need to call on all followers in their mosques to give any information to police about anybody who is suspected of supporting or justifying these atrocities. This is a war against the Nazis of our time. An evil ideology. Could you imagine in ww2 English Nazi supporters openly supporting Germany living in England and being let express their Nazi views. This is a war against an army of Islamic extremists who are in Europe right now waiting to kill people like you and me out having a pint with mates. Time for tiptoeing around the issues is over. If ordinary Muslims want to live in the West help us identify and lock away all the evil ideology believers that have infiltrated their mosques. Anybody not passing on this info should be arrested for supporting terrorists.

          2. :-Joe

            Yes you’re mostly right but if you want to be even more accurate and succinct…maybe even educational.. : D ,…

            You should replace the word “Islamic extremist” with “Fundamentalist Wahhabi”

            Go for the source and get people to the point..

            :-J

        2. mauriac

          “thas racists..!” Read some Voltaire James and look up freedom of speech. Multiculturalism is a busted flush.How about a monoculture of democracy , secularism and equality ?

        3. Twunt

          You seem far more concerned with the words of a few on here, rather than the actions of a few in Paris. You need to have a long hard look at yourself, and really think about all of this, because right now you seem dangerously confused.

    4. :-Joe

      Ye, you have a point about this leading to more wrongful discrimination against muslims and Islam but banning and censoring people is not the way to anything positive.

      Islam and muslims, arabs etc etc did not attack Paris. It was insane murderers who were most likely followers of ISIS / ISIL that are brainwashed by Wahhabi.

      More diversity is a complicated issue, I can’t fully agree with you on that but not for the reasons you might think… another time perhaps.

      :-J

  8. www.cotton

    I get the 122 bus everyday and pass by the SCR. I see muslims everyday. I am enraged by last night. But is it right to carpet bomb all muslims? Literally or metaphorically? My uncle told me about the beatings he got in the seventies by randomers in London for being Irish. We need to be aware, but not reactionary.

    1. Lilly

      Exactly. We’re lucky really that we have no history as colonialists. It’s hard to know how the French should proceed. They’ve been mostly correct in their approach to their Muslim citizens, insisting that they conform to secular norms and practice their religion in private – as all French citizens must. So where did it go wrong? These attacks were carried out by French Muslims.

      1. :-Joe

        Ye we are very lucky and privileged. Damn colonialism……. always fupping things up, still going strong even today.

        Forcing people to conform by not wearing or wearing an item of clothing is just wrong, anywhere in the world.

        The attacks were carried out by insane murderers who most likely were psychopaths and or happened to be extreme fundamentalist followers of Wahhabi often incorrectly labelled as Islamist or muslim or arab or many other mostly bizarre terms that make absolutely no sense.

        ISIS or ISIL followers are basically a gang of ignorant children who were brainwashed by Wahhabi and grew up to become fundamentalist religious extremists. It did not happen by random chance or without direction or intention and there are strong idealogical forces behind them.

        Hope that helps…

        :-J

        1. Twunt

          But Joe, the perception that this was done in the name of Islam is perpetuated by the reluctance of Islamic leaders to condemn these attacks, attacks on free and innocent people. In fact some justify them by using France’s overseas operations.

          If Islam is incapable of mature self reflection it will always be viewed as a problem, and rightly so.

          1. :-Joe

            Let the stupidity of people’s perception perpetuate and meanwhile if you want to make a dent in the future of the human race just make a conscious choice to try and make the effort to educate with the facts beyond the front page of the Sun.

            The foolish notion that Islam, a great nation of history, knowledge, culture and human beings equal if not better than anything we know is less than capable than you or I is just beyond reproach.

            Ignorance, Bigotry & Racism always starts somewhere….

            1 by 1 people can be different and can make a change.

            :-J

        2. Lilly

          So you’d allow people to go about naked if they want? Ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with expecting people to integrate. They are quick enough to get Westerners to cover up on their turf.

          1. :-Joe

            What’s so bad about the naked body, we all have one.

            Forcing people into an acceptable uniform way of dressing is not a form integration. It’s a form of conformity and fascism and applies the same for everyone anywhere.

            Who cares if someone wears a black sheet over their body it’s none of our business how individual people want to dress and not every woman wearing a Habib or a Burqa is being stoned daily or is enslaved to a member of the people’s front of durka durka*

            :-J

            *[INSERT THE NEW NONSENSE LABEL FOR THE ENEMY HERE] .

      2. NilNocere

        It’s a tough one. France has many marginalised communities, I note that one of the perpetrators came from a poor suburb outside Paris, as per the previous attack in Paris. That being said, there has also been a very worrying trend in recent years of more affluent young men being radicalised. This may have something to do with men’s role in society and men feeling marginalised, or perhaps also in part the slick use of social media and propaganda by IS. The density of muslims in France is probably the simplest and main reason, in addition to the fact that Britain’s borders are easier to seal, given that it is an island. It is certainly the case that radical Islam needs to be strongly countered by both the Muslim community and the state.

    2. :-Joe

      Yes. but even the thought that somehow a random group of people who practice a religion in Ireland are somehow linked directly to insane murderers in Paris because they too practice a similar form of the same religion is a rocky road to even look down.

      The Kuran and Islam preaches just as much and you could argue a lot more peace than the Christian Bible.

      I used to live near that Mosque in SCR for many years and they are good people(at least the few I met) if you get to talk to and get to know them at least a little. I can’t say I know them that well but apart from some cultural differences(many were atheists btw) they were no different to anyone else in my experience.

      :-J

  9. ReproBertie

    Blaming all members of a religion for the actions of extremists worked out really well in Northern Ireland.

  10. Peter Dempsey

    Just saw this post on Facebook.

    “I know people who say ‘Pray for Paris’ mean well and I respect everyone’s own private way of coping with things but to advocate it as a response is really, really missing the point.”

    Any idea what she’s getting at?

    As far as I know, the poster is French but living in Ireland for 15 or so years. She’s not religious and is firmly on the left.

      1. Peter Dempsey

        Just found out she is sympathetic to the Halawas. Explains this subsequent post on her page.

        “Find causes at the source : corruption and interests in middle east with some american moronic pathological behaviour. Then try to eradicate these powercontrolfreaks and I wish everyone would take example on the Venetian republic system of government previous to the 17th century to find a perfect and durable (1000 years splendour amidst mediterranian and oriental upheavels and head-cutting Turks), method of civilisation, integration, enlightenment, moderation and/but discipline (which contemplates punishment).”

    1. nadia

      She is implying (imo) that religion (prayer) was the main motivation behind these acts and that the ‘pray for Paris’ post is essentially another religious nut deeming that THEIR religion will do something to help the affected in Paris. A vicious/idiotic cycle, if you like or just some straight up old skool irony but I could be wrong.

    2. :-Joe

      At a guess I would assume she is saying “Pray for Paris” is a religious based term and action and seeing as the attacks are fueled largely by extreme religious ideology it is playing into the same mental loop that is at the centre of the cause of all these problems.

      Christian Fundamentalism in the west Vs Fundamentalist Wahhabism(Saudi Arabia) in the east.

      Both with their own varied iterations of flawed ideology manifesting in different ways in cultures and directed violently towards each other.

      :-J

      1. Peter Dempsey

        Thanks Joe. That makes sense. She’s the type of person who hates homophobia but only iwhen its spouted by Christians. Islamic homophobia doesn’t get condemned by is justified under cultural relativism.

          1. :-Joe

            Clearly I need to break my rule of destroying corporations that are anti-privacy and join faceDERP ASAP!

            :-J

  11. Frilly Keane

    Just Call me Dave
    Dave
    Mentioned about prayers too
    Sum’ting about the Parisians being in our prayers

    Time to remove the words
    Prayers, God, Faith, Religion,
    Whatever yere having yerselves
    From all publicly shared comment

    1. Janet, I ate my avatar

      +128 well put Frilly, your personal beliefs have no part in society or to be used to incite the fear of the other.

      1. Frilly Keane

        So no more
        G.. B…. America
        Or .lessing ourselves in public…

        I think I’m onta sum’ting
        Sign up lads

        1. Frilly Keane

          Here
          I’m not joking
          Simon Cowell just said in an X Factor few words
          Da da da bla bla bla ” in our prayers”

          STOP THIS NOW

          Someone with more followers than me
          And ideally someone who knows how to work the Facebook needs to get on this

          Sign up to
          Stop all mention
          Of the P ends with yer word
          The book that has an Old Part
          And a New one

          anything that suggests or alludes to some sort of religious faith

  12. eoin hurley

    what happened in Paris was awful. what happened in Beirut was as well but no-one seemed to care. it’s a war on Islam as well.

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