Mark Malone writes:
“Almost the worst little state to get sick…”
Europe: Health Care Index by Country 2016 (Numbeo)
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Mark Malone writes:
“Almost the worst little state to get sick…”
Europe: Health Care Index by Country 2016 (Numbeo)
All part of the Fianna Fail and Fine Gael plan for the privatisation of health care. The strategy is to make the service as bad as possible so that anything seems like an improvenment, then sell the lot off to the international profit making health industry. And your health insurance will sky rocket with it.
Do some research into the owners of private healthcare and private nursing services and you’ll see that current and former politicians make up many of them since about 10 to 15 years ago.
This plan has been on-going since early 2000s and you can thank Micheal Martin and Mary Harney.
I think that i will thank the blushirts, for their policy of “whatever ff can do, we will do worse!”
@Tish Mahorey – Interesting theory Tish and I’m not disputing it, any links to same or can you name a company for further research? Thx.
It isn’t libelous to say who’s a shareholder in a company. Me thinks her lack of details suggests she’s making it all up.
Goodman/Sheehans own the Blackrock and Galway clinics (and until recently anyway the Hermitage i think). The Beacon is owned by Redacted. Santry Sports Clinic is owned by Ray Moran and other investors (some rich irish guys in there according to the indo). The Mater Private is owned by Capvest (foreign PE Fund) and St Vincents Private is owned by a Charity (it’s a subsidiary of the overall St Vincent’s Hospital group).
Plenty of nursing homes though so please enlighten us Tish or are you making stuff up?
You mean, “Almost the worst little state in which to get sick…” ??
No, it was quite clear what they meant. You’re not familiar with Hiberno English, I take it?
It was bad English.
They’re all bad. What did the English ever do for us, except steal our fada?
That’s not an example of Hiberno English, you dope.
oh wait, it is. sorry my bad.
Now that the Dutch(?) model has been abandoned, have they come up with some alternative or are FG really saying that after 5 years, they have done absolutely nothing. Perhaps if Leo focused on the day job?
what’s de night job?
Minister for everything. Talks about everyone elses stuff apart from his own responsibilities.
It’s so mad, how can these statistics be true, there is a 5-point plan.
they’re not true. the stats are based on people’s rankings of the health care system, it measures sentiment towards the healthcare system. Only the Ukrainians think that their healthcare system is worse than ours.
Ours is very low first tier, but it is not worse than the Moldovan system, they just have lower expectations of theirs (which their system happens to meet)
Then this is worse news. So this is how people in Ireland feel they are being valued by the health care the State provides? Bad results.
It say on the health section of the website that’s it takes into account:
Skill and competency of medical staff
Speed in completing examination and reports
Equipment for modern diagnosis and treatment
Accuracy and completeness in filling out reports
Friendliness and courtesy of the staff
Responsiveness (waitings) in medical institutions
Convenience of location for you
So in what way is the date not true, and how do you find some of these things out based on sentiment? Are you sure you know exactly how this works?
Exactly – French people tend to have a chauvinistic pride in all things French, and Irish people enjoy to crib and moan. Strange methodology, the results will be skewed by subjectivity even more than most.
Of course it’s just possible that French people have something to be proud of and Irish people have something to crib and moan about in their respective health care systems.
Indeed, quite possible, but this study offers nothing to either support or contradict this supposition.
Yes, you would have to do some supplementary reading to contextualise it.
Zing
Thanks for that clarification Shane
anything with the unions scum in it is pure useless in this country.
thatcherite hatred of workers standing up for themselves
You do not have to be Thatcherite to have strong reservations about the role the Unions play in the operation of the Irish Health system
What other kind of people have strong reservations about unions?
One thing the healthcare system needs is zero hour contracts!
Then this is worse news. So this is how people in Ireland feel they are being valued by their healhcare? Bad results.
Also, it say one the health section of the website that’s it takes into account:
Skill and competency of medical staff
Speed in completing examination and reports
Equipment for modern diagnosis and treatment
Accuracy and completeness in filling out reports
Friendliness and courtesy of the staff
Responsiveness (waitings) in medical institutions
Convenience of location for you
So in what way is the date not true, and how do you find some of these things out based on sentiment? Are you sure you know exactly how this works?
On a recent flight I was on, an Australian woman and Italian man sitting beside me start talking about living in Ireland, the Australian woman told the man “whatever you do, don’t get sick, the healthcare system is absolutely barbaric” – I was not proud.
We need to get Finnish or Italian public health managers to come in to sort out the Victorian Hierarchical Charles Dickens model of bullsh!t we call a health system.
It is a hideous reflection on our society.
I’m glad we managed to beat Ukraine at least… given it’s a fupping warzone.
As a statistician taking five from trawling this beauty for something interesting https://indicators.ic.nhs.uk I was quite interested in finding out what measures were being used to produce this index. I was disappointed to read that they are ‘based on surveys from visitors of this website’ and that the ‘questions for this surveys are similar to many similar scientific and government surveys’ as in my professional opinion this leaves the responses open to manipulation, furthermore, the questions and sample size have not been provided so it is impossible to judge whether the data collected could produce a valid index and whether the sample size was representative, so I have to conclude that this index cannot be relied upon.
This is not a credible index (few are) it is based on a survey from visitors to an obscure website called Numbeo – so absolutely no (transparent) data research or analysis of any nature – our health service is nothing to be proud of but it ain’t this bad and no way the French is better than the Swiss, not in their wildest dreams! The index is useful in one sense, showing the sad state of “journalism” that is happy to post such drivel as click bait.
Shusshhh,
It’s all terrible. Get with the program. This is the New Broadsheet as launched by Julien Mercille – nothing in ireland is any good until the Socialist Party is in power – then all is good.
+1
Mark Malone doesn’t want to pay for anything – typical socialist
I think this report should be at least a wake up call. Living for 21years here in the West of Ireland now and being a mom of four children, I have seen different aspects of the Irish Health system. As a nurse I have worked over 13years in Germany before I moved here.
What I do identify as the biggest problem is the disorganisation. The right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing. From what I have seen the amount of people working in one ward or department are often not a team. Everyone just does certain things and is not interested to see the overall picture.
Having a health system run by non professionals doesn’t work, as you can see in the long and unnecessary waiting lists, trolleys on corridors etc. Having state of the art hospitals and centers of excellence etc do not reflect a good system on its own.
Training nurses to over 80% only theoretical doesn’t seem to work well either. Medical knowledge is necessary, but it takes more than that to be a good nurse. Doctors wearing street clothes on wards with particular vulnerable people is a no go. The public is asked to avoid visits because of infections etc and the medical personnel is carrying the viruses and bacteria around. That is only a few thoughts, I am sure that there are worse systems than the Irish, but with the possibilities we have here, it should be on top of the list.
This is ridiculous! Made up from a survey of random visitors to a website. There’s no methodology or objective data used. Irrelevant tripe!
Doesn’t really matter how inaccurate these particular stats are. Im guessing everyone commenting here lives here and likely had some experience of the system. It’s poo and there’s no point saying otherwise. Take mental health for example, our ‘health’ minister would rather concern himself with setting a minimum price on alcohol than make some worthy attempt to start to rectify an epidemic. But its ok, coz Enda said on TV last night give him another term to continue this positive stability. Does he really think people believe he’s personally responsible for ‘the recovery’? We don’t need stability we need leaders with the balls to stand for something. Imagine, a minister with real conviction. now there’s a novel idea. Success has many fathers Enda, failures an orphan.