51 thoughts on “De Monday Papers

  1. Harry Molloy

    SF, AAA, PBP, and independents now have the power to remove FG from office and scrap Irish Water.
    Time for them to move in from the sidelines and govern. Best of luck.

    1. Same old same old

      Apparently FF said they would also disband Uisce Éireann. Will they turn the water into whine?

      1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

        Hey Same old same old,
        I have a hammer here that I’m not using.
        -Would you like to borrow it to make your joke?

      1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

        Oh Harry, Harry, harry…
        …where do I begin..?

        For a start, I wouldn’t have entertained your Mother’s advances if I wasn’t already terribly drunk and feeling nostalgic.
        Down the back of the bus in the 1970s was different to how it was earlier on tonight and she shouldn’t be judged so harshly

      2. Praetorian.

        Don’t rise Harry….this clown is moderated on an ongoing basis…more to be pitied than vilified.

    2. Neilo

      Will the last person to leave Ireland please switch off the lights? There’ll be another election by summer.

      1. Harry Molloy

        I’ll be very interested to see if the opposition parties, who all stood together at the water protest marches shouting “Out Out Out”, will now man up and do what it is they were elected to do.

        I have already seen a lot of commentary on the SF facebook page, from followers rather than the party tbf, stating that they should in no way go in to govt while they are growing as it would be damaging to the party. But what’s the bloody point in voting for a party that will not go into power? They have their chance to get rid of FG and Irish Water so lets see some bravery.

        1. Neilo

          A corollary – what’s the point of voting for them north of the Border and watching as they cede control for budgets back to Whitehall for fear of alienating the people. Hardly the actions of a party with aspirations to unite the national territory*

          *If it wasn’t for them pesky Protestants.

  2. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

    ⋅⋅⋅ᵖᶫᵉᵃˢᵉ ᴴᵃʳʳʸ⋅⋅⋅ᵗᵃᵏᵉ ᵗʰᵉ ᵇᵃᶦᵗ⋅⋅⋅⋅ᵖᶫᵉᵃˢᵉ⋅⋅⋅
    ⋅⋅⋅ᵗʰᶦˢ ᶦˢ ᵉˣᶜʳᵘᶜᶦᵃᵗᶦᶰᵍ⋅⋅⋅

    ᴵ ᵏᶰᵒʷ ʸᵒᵘ’ʳᵉ ˢᵗᶦᶫᶫ ᵃʷᵃᵏᵉ⋅
    ᴵ ᶜᵃᶰ ˢᵉᵉ ʸᵒᵘʳ ᵉʸᵉᶫᶦᵈˢ ᵐᵒᵛᶦᶰᵍ, ʸᵒᵘ ᵈᵘʳᵗʸ ᶠᵉᶜᵏᵉʳ⋅
    ᵀʰᶦˢ ᶦˢ ʸᵒᵘʳ ᴹᵃ ʷᵉ’ʳᵉ ᵗᵃᶫᵏᶦᶰᵍ ᵃᵇᵒᵘᵗ⋅
    …ʸᵒᵘ ᵒᵘᵍʰᵗ ᵗᵒ ᵇᵉ ᵉᵐᵇᵃʳʳᵃˢˢᵉᵈ⋅

  3. poppy

    Vincent Brown must have collapsed with laughter at the results. And Healy Rae’s are really entertaining. President Obama would love them ….ooh the lure of the culchies!

  4. some old queen

    Apart from the old tribal nonsense, what exactly is the problem with FF going into government with FG? Its not like there is huge ideological differences between them or anything.

    1. rory

      They’re afraid it would strengthen Sinn Fein. An FF/FG coalition would create a proper Left/Right divide in the Dail, with Sinn Fein the leaders of the opposition.

      1. Neilo

        That fear is grounded in good sense: PIRA/SF has been the overdog in Northern Irish nationalist politics for the last 10 years or more and the administration has ground to a halt.

    1. Neilo

      This misguided/bourgeois/class traitor 25% must cast their vote again until it’s more congruent with the right way of thinking.

    2. rugbyfan

      People have short memories but if parties look at what’s best for the country could a grand coalition of FG FF etc move things forward?

      1. MoyestWithExcitement

        That would be best for the country in so far as it would show people there’s no difference between the two sets of charlatans and when the next election happens in a few months, we might finally be free of that cancerous alliance.

        1. Nice Jung Man

          interesting but I predict the opposite to happen

          this was a protest vote

          with the recovery growing now the populist elements will face oblivion next time out and centrist mainstream thinking will entrench itself in the grand coalition

          you don’t understand the allure of power for its own sake obviously ;)

          1. Neilo

            The more I look at it. the more I think there was a strong protest vote element to the outcome but it’s very interesting to see a left-leaning bloc develop and get bedded in. Elected officials are damned if they do – turn the ship of State away from the rocks – and damned if they don’t. The Fianna Fail/PD coalition of 1989 was making great headway against the recession of the early 90s and was in turn dumped out in favour of the Rainbow Coalition who deftly continued the progress towards surplus. Anyone else miss the 1990s?

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            There was little to no protest vote. The country is more politically engaged than ever before. Most people have simply realised that FG and Lab are incompetent and have ‘steadied the ship’ by throwing as many poor and young people into the sea as possible. People have voted for FF again because they didn’t think there was another option. I’d say they’ll be losing a good few of those gains when the next election happens in a few months. People can see now we really can get rid of FG and FF. They are a blight on society.

          3. Neilo

            Beg to differ: plenty of options to FF are available for the electorate such as AAA or PIRA/SF. 25% of the voters werew satisfied to vote for another centrist party.

          4. MoyestWithExcitement

            SF said they won’t go into government with them and I’d be very surprised if AAA did. People clearly wanted to sack FG. Voting FF was really stupid but I’d say it’s because most didn’t think there was a viable alternative. This election has showed those people there is so when they vote again, they’ll know they don’t have to vote FF to get rid of FG. They can actually vote for an entirely different party and get rid of *both* cancers from Irish society.

          5. Harry Molloy

            I suppose we’ll see if you’re right but my feeling is that SF, AAA, PBP or any of them would be happier sniping from the sidelines as it is apparent, to anyone who thinks about it, that you will never get to implement everything you campaign for and that they’ll be found out.

            I could of course be wrong. But the opposition were given a mandate to get FG “OUT OUT OUT” and to get rid of Irish Water. I’d be feeling let down as a voter if they did not take that opportunity.

          6. Nice Jung Man

            Thank you moyest for your report

            Can the anti austerity alliance and similar groupings successfully attract an outreach beyond the urban areas do you think?

            The problem with your analysis is the almost complete corporate ownership of the popular media by the establishment parties. You are correct to say that not all people do believe the propaganda spun by the mainstream but I’d contend that unfortunately at least >= 50% appear to do so. How do you propose that can be addressed?

          7. MoyestWithExcitement

            You almost sound bitter. Of course they won’t implement everything they want to implement. Everyone knows that. No party has ever done it. Do you need reminding of the Pat Rabbite quote about lying to the people during elections? I don’t know why you felt the need to state that. Of course what will probably happen is FG and FF cosying up together so they can steal the country from the people again.

          8. Harry Molloy

            Not bitter, I believe in democracy and the will of the people.
            Would you not prefer to see a coalition of the left?

          9. MoyestWithExcitement

            “I’ll be very interested to see if the opposition parties, *who all stood together at the water protest marches shouting “Out Out Out”,* will now *man up* and do what it is they were elected to do.”

            Ok. You’re not bitter.

            “Would you not prefer to see a coalition of the left?”

            Of course but FF and FG will probably come together to steal power from the people again.

          10. Harry Molloy

            “Steal” power? So if it was a left would they be stealing power too??

            I think this line from the joker is somewhat apt here ” I’m a dog chasing cars. I wouldn’t know what to do with one if I caught it!”

          11. MoyestWithExcitement

            “I think this line from the joker is somewhat apt here ” I’m a dog chasing cars. I wouldn’t know what to do with one if I caught it!””

            And you still deny you’re bitter about left leaning parties winning the election.

        2. MoyestWithExcitement

          Yes, steal. The people of this country do not want FF or FG some them coming together to take power is theft.

          1. Harry Molloy

            Then we will wait to see the left form a coalition for the sake of the voters. For were they not to do so, they would be showing themselves to lack integrity and conviction.

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            “For were they not to do so, they would be showing themselves to lack integrity and conviction.”

            Yeah, you’re definitely bitter. It wouldn’t show that at all of course and nobody would think it.

      2. Charley

        Can’t see FF touching FG while Kenny and Noonan remain in the party, any alliance would be uneasy without the likelihood of the scandal

  5. Starina

    I’ll be seriously annoyed if they make us go through all of this again — like bloody voting on the Lisbon referendum — “keep voting until you get it right, guys”!

  6. Jake38

    Fascinating election. The political system is fragmenting like other elements of society such as religion and popular culture. The problem is that we have an electoral system (multi-seat PR) that is accelerating this process. The current situation will become the new normal, with the components of the government hard to discern after the election and not necessarily what the people voted for. To ameliorate this tendency we probably need to tweak our electoral system. And we have a terrific record of such reform in this country. Not.

    1. MoyestWithExcitement

      No, he’s just a maniac. Seriously, I hope there are some marketingy headed folks in Tipp who’ll make use of that. I’d just have posters with that image and his ‘Power suits me’ quote plastered everywhere when the next election hits in a few months. He can’t be allowed anywhere near power.

      1. Nice Jung Man

        You do realise he’s going to be the next Labour leader don’t you?

        There’s two Healy Raes now in Kerry

        And it seems two Michael Lowry type chancers in Tipperary.

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