‘I’m Not Cooling Any Porridge’

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Head of the Workplace Relations Commission Kieran Mulvey outside Croke Park this morning; Jack O’Connor, Siptu President

Further to the Luas strike brouhaha…

Siptu president Jack O’Connor called on the head of the Workplace Relations Commission Kieran Mulvey to resign following comments Mr Mulvey made on RTE’s Morning Ireland this morning.

Mr Mulvey went on Morning Ireland after workers rejected a resolution proposed by the WRC.

He told Morning Ireland that the union Siptu hadn’t been in contact with him since the proposal was rejected and that he didn’t know why the workers rejected the proposal.

Following Mr O’Connor’s call for Mr Mulvey to step down, Mr Mulvey went on News At One and spoke to Conor Brophy.

Grab a Flahavan’s tay.

Kieran Mulvey: “I was fulfilling what I believe is my role to point out where the parties could potentially go in this dispute to solve it – it’s affecting 90,000 people every time there’s a stoppage in the Luas. The institutions of the State have been used for dispute resolution. What I was clearly indicating to everyone who wanted to listen and to really understand what I had to say was that there wasn’t much more to be done on this dispute. That the parties really need to convey to us what precisely is wrong at the moment and effectively to say that we’re still available to do this but I also did say that, you know, on both sides, I was applying it to both sides, we need leadership…”

Conor Brophy: “But can we look at, just, one of the comments in particular that you made this morning, you said of the services being disrupted, it’s not being disrupted by the company. We’ve seen this to particularly antagonise Jack O’Connor – was that an unwise comment to make?”

Mulvey: “Well I was only pointing out a fact of life here. That the reason..”

Brophy: “But could that not be construed though as being partial and isn’t that a problem for someone in your position?”

Mulvey: “It isn’t, no. Jack O’Connor made a number of remarks this morning and I’d like, on the stage and I’d like to say what I think of them: one is he mentioned a number of inaccuracies. He said I intervened prematurely in this dispute. I intervened at the behest of both SIPTU and Transdev and the minister to call the parties back. They were on the airwaves demanding to come back. That’s what I did. I also, in order to get that dispute into a space in which we could engage in negotiations, I directly called on Transdev to stop hiring buses that would only escalate the situation and the unions, in response, and I thought it was a positive gesture, called off the St Patrick’s Day dispute. I didn’t ask them to do anything beyond that. What I tried to do is create the conditions. Secondly, he said by my premature intervention in this dispute, after we had been involved for a number of months in this dispute, my premature intervention seemingly put off side some initiative that was being taken that nobody seems to know about by the Irish Congress of Trade Unions and certainly I wasn’t aware of and if I had been aware of, naturally, as I’ve done in the past, with ICTU, IBEC, the Government or wherever, I would have sat down with the parties and see whether that is a way of going forward or not..”

Brophy: “I should mention at this point, you mentioned Patricia King, the general secretary of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions as potentially having been working on some proposal, we have made efforts to contact Patricia King, who wasn’t available and…”

Mulvey: “Well, look, in fairness, I have worked with Patricia King over the last 25 years, she’s a superb union representative and superb public official.”

Brophy: “Suffice to say, you weren’t aware of any such proposal?”

Mulvey: “Not at all, like I mean, I can’t go out into the ether and find out what’s going on in people’s brains in these matters. But other, Jack O’Connor then went on to make a number of personal attacks on me. Now I’m not getting in, I never in any dispute in the last 25 years, I’ve been chief executive of the Labour Relations Commission, I am also now director general of Workplace Relations Commission. To make a number of personal comments, regarding me, on this station and on other stations, I do not get involved in personal disputes and I do not make personal attacks. And anybody who knows me knows that for the last 25 years. I am, I don’t descend to that, I was told then, I was the teachers’ conference as if somehow I’m responsible for the problem. When I was a representative for teacher unions for 15 years and I doubt there’s a teacher or academic in this country who’d criticise what I achieved for them: so let’s clear that as well. Let’s get back to the real issue here. It is the Luas dispute, the Luas dispute can only be resolved by negotiation and in order to complete the negotiations we’ve been involved in, we need to know what the issues are that are unacceptable to the workers involved. And, secondly, we need to know are the company in the same space. We’re not a million miles from resolving in this dispute. But we can’t have negotiations where, at some stage, we’re following the wrong track or we’re give the wrong direction.”

Brophy: “Was that what motivated you to come on the airwaves in the first place? Cause I’m sure some people will say maybe the better thing to have done would have been to save your breath, cool your porridge at this point, just let it pan out for some time, let things cool down and wait for one or ether of the parties to make a move.”

Mulvey: I’m not cooling any porridge, I’m just concerned about 90,000 people on Saturday and Sunday who can’t get about their business and who next week can’t get about it either. These are 90,000 citizens of this state who are going to work, going to hospital, going to schools, going to college, I’m a public official, I’m obliged under the statutory provisions of my act to take into consideration the public. This is not always about employers or trade unions.”

Brophy: “You say that the sides weren’t a million miles apart though but only two of the 167 members voted in favour of the deal. It was then subsequently labelled, again by Jack O’Connor, as a ridiculous proposal, that no trade union member would have voted to accept. That suggests that there might be a few more miles between the parties than may originally have been, appeared to have been the case.”

Mulvey: “Well, look, that’s an opinion expressed by Jack O’Connor. I’ve been involved in negotiations on Haddington Road, in Croke Park and Lansdowne Road on myriad of rescue negotiations, in a myriad of companies involving SIPTU and its predecessor the Irish Transport and General Workers Union, the FWI. What came out of the commission is not greatly different that has come out from an awful lot of disputes. And what came out of the commission was in negotiation, the cut and thrust of the parties in there who were there for a considerably long time. It is about our tenth intervention in this dispute apart from two visits to the Labour Court regarding it.”

Later

Mulvey: “In all my career, 41 years, I have a track record of defending workers’ interests and rights all through those years. And I won’t be told by anybody, irrespective of the position, that I’m biased.”

Brophy: “Have you spoken to Jack O’Connor since this morning?”

Mulvey: “I haven’t, no, but I’d like to talk to Jack and Jack has my number and I have his. We had a difficulty the order day with who rang whom, I’ll sort this out with Jack O’Connor. We’ll sort this out. But the issue is the Luas dispute. Not me or Jack O’Connor.”

Brophy: “In the meantime though, in terms of your position and that of the WRC, are you, regardless of the fact that you’re not going to resign, are you kind of in an invidious position here in that your partiality has been called into question?

Mulvey: “No I don’t accept that and I don’t accept the basis of that and I thought it was a bit disingenuous. Jack O’Connor knows I’m retiring in the first week of June, it was publicly announced on one radio station today, it’s no kept secret. The problem here, you won’t have it after June.”

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147 thoughts on “‘I’m Not Cooling Any Porridge’

  1. rotide

    Jack O’Connor is an ass, It’s like the luas worker union is doing everything it possibly can to get the public to loathe them.

    1. Tish Mahorey

      But the point here Editor is that Kieran Mulvey is a professional mediator and under no circumstances should he ever reveal his opinion of either of the parties he is mediating.

      It was an unbelievably unprofessional act and undermines the WRC to the point where he must resign. He cannot be trusted to be impartial in ANY dispute now.

      Of course, everyone has been prepped by the Irish Independent and RTE to hate the Luas strikers so they are blind to the injustice of what Mulvey has just done.

      I don’t necessarily support the demands of the Luas drivers but I object to the undermining of democratic institutions like the WRC to favour one side over the other.

      Disgraceful move.

      1. Bungle

        If you insist on calling him Editor should we start calling you Parent or Parents? Tiresome stuff.

      2. rotide

        If it was anyone else, I might have a certain amount of sympathy but given that a. Yer man O’Connor is an ass and b. everything Mulvey said is absolutely correct, i just don’t.

  2. MoyestWithExcitement

    It’s really troubling how he can make comments like that about not knowing why the proposals were rejected and still claim he’s being objective. Fair play to the strikers. I hope they hold out. This country clearly still cares more about foreign millionaires than ordinary Irish folks. I’d vote for indefinite strikes at this stage.

    1. Steak on the horn

      “than ordinary Irish folks”

      No we care more about ordinary Irish folks than we do greedy unskilled workers who hold ordinary Irish folks to ransom

      1. MoyestWithExcitement

        Yes, those poor guys having to walk an extra 15 minutes to the bus stop. That’s obviously way more important than people fighting to get a fairer wage so they can pay their mortgage and feed their children. ‘I’m finding it difficult to meet my mortgage payments and put my 3 kids through school but I shouldn’t strike because some selfish gobsheen on the Internet can’t walk an extra couple of minutes to the bus stop.’

        1. Steak on the horn

          If you honestly believe that the bus networks in Luas serviced areas are capable of increasing their capacity by 90,000 a day you are living in la la land.

          An unskilled, non professional on a starting salary in excess of 30k is way beyond fair.
          Get a grip. There’s people paying mortgages on salaries 5k or more less than these greedy clowns are earning already, and yet they want more – For what precisely? What skill and what talent do they have that deserves a starting salary well above that of a qualified professional starting out, or a newly qualified guard or nurse starting out?

          You’re a contrarian, in each and every issue I’ve ever seen you involved in you take the unpopular side, not because of your beliefs but because you are a sanctimonious @rsehole who loves to argue and feel superior in your morals and intelligence than those around you. You are nothing short of deluded.

          1. Rob_G

            So people who are on €25K (or less) are going to be prevented going to work by people who earn €32k who are looking for a 50% wage increase? An increase that will have to be paid for by the €25k worker through increased transport costs?

            #solidarity

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            Prevented from going to work? Name an area served by the Luas that isn’t seven by a bus route.

          3. MoyestWithExcitement

            Dear God that was the dumbest diatribe I’ve read all day. So they can’t get a bus, no? Lol. Clown.

          4. Steak on the horn

            Moyest you ignored my entire comment.

            And all served by Luas that are also served by buses already have packed out bus services, the additional passengers on the buses means that bus after bus passes a lot of commuters leaving them at their stop as the bus is already packed from the terminal.
            This results in late workers, discipline against late workers, and workers having to fork out for taxis.
            The Luas drivers will never have public support because there is no injustice being served upon them here.
            When there are true injustices within the system the public will get behind the affected.
            Guards and nurses are invariably supported in their work to rule and stoppage actions.

          5. Steak on the horn

            Moyest, my only conclusion that makes any sense to me is that you’re a skilled troll.

          6. MoyestWithExcitement

            Says my multi account stalker. Listen, your personal attack in your last paragraph gave the game away. You’re just some weirdo little troll. Not worth any effort. We can all see it.

          7. ReproBertie

            Moyest can’t accept that the current bus service is different from that provided before the introduction of the Luas. He seems to believe Dublin Bus has been continuing to run a service with the capacity to handle an extra 90K passengers at the drop of a hat.

          8. ReproBertie

            You’re deliberately missing the point again. There is insufficient capacity on the bus services to cope with an extra 90K passengers.

          9. Steak on the horn

            I’ve never spoken to you before, I used to go under the name of Bob something. Haven’t posted in a long time and am on a new computer in work.
            Trust me pal, I’ve better things to be doing with my life than developing my internet persona and presence on the comments section of Broadsheet.ie.

          10. MoyestWithExcitement

            So which routes won’t be able to take extra passengers at all, like all day long, on a Saturday and Sunday, Bertie.

          11. ReproBertie

            Deliberately missing the point again. It’s about people getting to work. There’s not much point in telling people that there’ll be room on a bus at 11am if they have to be in work by 9.

          12. Steak on the horn

            Moyest you’re slipping.

            Can you explain to me (or even answer any part of my first post) what is unfair about having 7 weeks training and then earning 33k in year one with no qualifications?
            That’s a cushy number by ANY standards. Jumping to in excess of 40k in ten years with no qualifications?
            They have no right to be disgruntled, they have no right to feel entitled to anything in excess of this. IT is absolute madness that someone can spend years becoming a professional, attending college (paying through the nose) and then these guys believe that they should have a higher starting salary than these professionals?

          13. MoyestWithExcitement

            So Bertie, you can’t name any routes that won’t be able to take extra passengers tomorrow morning?

          14. MoyestWithExcitement

            So no. You’ve no idea if people can or can’t get a bus but you’ll claim they can’t anyway. Solid reasoning.

          15. ReproBertie

            You asked me to name a route that can’t take extra passengers. It’s a simple capacity issue so I need to know how many extra.

            I took the bus into the city centre on Easter Monday. Dublin Bus was running an “enhanced Sunday service” which means a few more buses that a usual Sunday. There were a lot of extra passengers (mostly families heading to the commemorations) and it didn’t take long for the bus to be passing people at bus stops because it was full. The bus I was on was on the North side so there was no Luas impact but I’m sure people on the South Side could tell similar stories.

          16. MoyestWithExcitement

            Yeah personal anecdotes about a day trip to town are definitely valuable here.

          17. ReproBertie

            Fine, ignore a simple example of the bus service being unable to deal with extra capacity and simply tell me how many extra passengers are supposed to seamlessly fit onto the bus tomorrow morning.

          18. MoyestWithExcitement

            Now now, you’re the one that claimed they can’t get the bus. Please provide the data showing that the bus routes serving areas on Luas lines are at full capacity and cannot take any extra passengers tomorrow.

          19. ReproBertie

            I said the bus service is no longer the bus service that was running before the Luas started. You’re the one who thinks that Dublin Bus are so incompetent they’ve been running the same service despite the loss of 90,000 passengers and, as a result, can accommodate any and all extra passengers tomorow.

          20. MoyestWithExcitement

            You’re claiming people have a right to be upset at the strike because they’re being “held to ransom”, implying the Luas is their only option. I responded to mention that they have another option in Dublin Bus. You are arguing that isn’t a sufficient option. Do you have any information or data to prove that assertion?

          21. ReproBertie

            If the bus service as it exists was sufficient to handle the extra passengers there would be no need for Dublin Bus to advise customers to leave additional time for their journey.

            I know I’m wasting my time here and that you’ll never accept that the bus service is not the same now as it was then because that would mean admitting that the Luas strikes are causing disruption to customers trying to get to work.

          22. MoyestWithExcitement

            My point here is you are asserting without any facts. You look for those to back up the conclusion you already came to; strikers are bad. How did they affect the celebrations on the weekend? Ruined, were they? Or did people just get on with it. #firstworldproblems

          23. ReproBertie

            I don’t believe and never said that strikes are bad. I have argued against your dismissive attitude that Luas customers can just get the bus when the strikes are on and I have argued that based on the simple fact that the bus service lacks the capacity to pick up 90K extra passengers. This is a fact backed up Dublin Bus advising customers to plan for longer journeys and busier routes.

          24. MoyestWithExcitement

            They *can* just get the bus though. Being delayed by a few minutes is not a reason to stop an entire workforce from striking for fairer conditions. That line reeks of desperation; in having to find *some* reason to condemn the uppity workers who don’t know their place.

          25. ReproBertie

            I never said it was reason to stop them. I’m arguing that it’s not as simple as you make it out to be and it’s certainly not as simple as “being delayed for a few minutes”. That sort of arrogance won’t win the strikers any support. The reality is that if was as simple as just choosing the bus over the Luas for the days the Luas is on strike then building the Luas was a waste of money. The bus service has reduced capacity and routes have changed.

        2. Leather Jacket Guy

          Maybe stop having kids and don’t get in over your head with a mortgage you can’t afford. Then you’d be perfectly able to survive on what is an already extremely generous wage that requires you to spend no money of your own on education to get the position.

          1. some old queen

            32k is an extremely generous wage in to live in Dublin? What planet are you on?

        3. MoyestWithExcitement

          You used inflammatory rhetoric like holding the city to ransom and you’re trying to say you’re not against the strikes? That you’re a concerned onlooker? Please.

        1. Bungle

          Youse twos arguing are the perfect example of why I drive to work. No chance of your wittering din penetrating the thick, laminated glass of my bee-em-double-uuu.

          Enjoy the public transport “aroma”, povs!

      2. dav

        “greedy unskilled workers ” the spite and venom at the thought of a worker earning a good salary beggars belief – it’s as if only doctors, solicitors and bankers are entitled to earn above €30k a year

        1. David Ricardo

          The key word there is “unskilled”. Luas driving, while tedious, is not exactly a difficult skill to learn. The warm body occupying the seat is relatively fungible.

          Apply the logic the other way round – would you want hordes of low-paid, low-skilled generalists roaming hospitals attempting specialised operations? No. You want specialised workers, and in return for that specialisation, they expect to be paid over and above the *unskilled* labour force.

          Please familiarise yourself with the concept of economic rent as it applies to skilled labour.

          Bear in mind that Reagan dumped the whole ATC corps in one go, and replaced them with new controllers, not a single plane was downed as a result.

        2. jungleman

          It’s not about entitlement. It’s just economic realism. Some people work hard to obtain a profession or to be successful in business. As a result of that hard work, their skill sets are more rare and in higher demand. Therefore their work is more valuable.

          A Luas driver is unskilled. Therefore their job is worth less money as the availability of tram drivers is far higher and cheaper than that of a skilled professional.

          The only people with a ridiculous sense of entitlement are the tram drivers!

          1. some old queen

            Actually no, a driver of a Luas is skilled. Those things are twice the weight of an articulated truck with four independent braking systems. And then there is the clowns, both in cars and not who think they can stop like a bicycle.

          2. some old queen

            @ jungleman. I have a fourth level university qualification. I am also pretty certain that you can be educated INTO stupidity.

            Define unskilled?

          3. jungleman

            I don’t really see the relevance of your point. If you are educated and qualified as a medical doctor but you work on a shop till you are still an unskilled worker in the context of your job.

            At best the job of tram driver is semi-skilled.

            Skilled labour requires a certain level of education and training. A few weeks learning how to operate a tram would not qualify as skilled labour.

            People here keep spouting about entitlement to raise a family, own a house etc and have this notion that any worker should be paid enough to sustain that, regardless of the value of their job. They are of course entitled to those things, but that may well mean upskilling so as to work in a job that is valued more highly. That is their entitlement, not to hold the public to ransom for higher pay than their job merits.

    2. D'oh

      why is this troubling ? “not knowing why the proposals were rejected and still claim he’s being objective. ”

      How can not knowing make him not objective ? that makes zero sense idiot.

      1. MoyestWithExcitement

        Because he’s obviously implying the proposals *should* have been accepted. So you not read books? You dim-witted reprobate.

        1. ReproBertie

          “I do not know why A did not do B” is not the same as “I believe A should have done B”.

          1. MoyestWithExcitement

            Are you familiar with concept of context? Or with the idea that you can express opinions like questions? It’s quite common. That’s some suspicious reaching you’re doing to defend the anti striker narrative.

          2. ReproBertie

            Did you listen to the interview? He was asked why they didn’t take the deal. He said he didn’t know and he said nobody told him.

            There was plenty he said afterwards that could have been construed as biased (by the end of the interview I could completely understand Jack O’Connor’s point) but his answer to that direct qurestion was a simple statement of fact.

          3. MoyestWithExcitement

            He also said any other union leader would bè given a standing ovation if they came back with those proposals. You still going to claim that was a simple statement of fact?

          4. ReproBertie

            FFS. Did you even read my second paragraph?

            Your original post stated “It’s really troubling how he can make comments like that about not knowing why the proposals were rejected and still claim he’s being objective.”

            He was asked why the proporsals were rejected. He said he didn’t know. There was nothing there to throw suspicion on his objectivity. Almost everything else he said casts doubt on it though.

          5. ReproBertie

            FFS. Did you even read my second paragraph?

            Your original post stated “It’s really troubling how he can make comments like that about not knowing why the proposals were rejected and still claim he’s being objective.”

            He was asked why the proposals were rejected. He said he didn’t know. There was nothing there to throw suspicion on his objectivity. Almost everything else he said casts doubt on it but you didn’t mention any of that. You specifically mentioned his lack of knowledge as to why the proposals were rejected.

          6. MoyestWithExcitement

            Yeah, in the context of the entire interview you claimed you listened to. Jesus.

          7. ReproBertie

            To save future confusion why don’t you just say what you mean instead of expecting people to read your mind?

            I magine how simple things would have been if you had said “It’s really troubling how he can make comments like any other union leader would be given a standing ovation if they came back with those proposals and still claim he’s being objective.”

          8. MoyestWithExcitement

            I doubt too many other people needed me to clarify that I was referring to his interview on a thread about his interview.

          9. ReproBertie

            Perhaps when you specifically mention one part of the interview which was in no way related to your assertation confusion is only to be expected.

          10. MoyestWithExcitement

            I sincerely doubt that. Like I said, context is a thing. Clearly he was implying that he was surprised they didn’t take the deal when he said he didn’t know why they took it. That is evidenced by the second statement I cited. Most people are familiar with the concept of context. Perhaps breath before reacting next time.

          11. ReproBertie

            The second statement you cited after the massive logic gap in your first was pointed out.

            Just say what you mean in future.

          12. MoyestWithExcitement

            The second statement was in the same interview as the first. This thread is about that interview. I’m sure ver6 few peoole couldn’t work that out.

          13. ReproBertie

            All they had to do was click the link and listen to the interview to figure out that what you said and what you meant were in some way related.

          14. MoyestWithExcitement

            You mean they would have to read about a topic before commenting on it? You didn’t listen to the interview, did you.

          15. ReproBertie

            No, the “standing ovation” quote you refer to is not in this topic. This is a transcription of the News at One interview. The “standing ovation” quote was from the Morning Ireland interview that this topic links to the audio of.

            Yes, I did listen to the interview.

  3. DubLoony

    At some point everyone gets into the room & talks.
    Grandstanding doesn’t help and all parties need to sit done, order the pizza and get on with it.

  4. Punches Pilot

    Jack O’Connor is a pox. He was complicit in the financial collapse of this country along with his then partner in crime David Begg. Crikey it didn’t take long for him to re-emerge from his hibernation, that being the recession, when there was slim pickings but he was as useless as a chocolate teapot for his “members”. His greedy little slivery marble eyes just cant but help look sideways at the big piece of cake he might be missing out on. Utter contemptuous man who has only has himself as a priority. A scourge on the country and a hindrance if anything to realising an amicable outcome to the Luas dispute. No chance of Pox O’Connor keeping quiet if he can make a name for himself. Self serving runt.

  5. diddy

    This is the politics of envy. After years of tax hikes and Austerity WE ALL deserve a pay rise. Dont be pissed off cos the Unionised Tram drivers are going for it. Join them.. Guards in particular. 23k starting for that job is a joke. Dont hate the player hate the game!

  6. Jockey

    I was curious, would anyone know how long these things can go on for before action can be taken by the company to bring in new people? For example, if Luas drivers turned around and asked for €500K per year to do their job, and that they’re going on strike until they get it. Who makes the decision to draw the line and say it has gone on for too long, and it’s time to bring in new people.

    I remember a few years ago, there was a similar thing with Ryanair, and M O’L made the decision to just bring in new flight attendants instead of continuing the negotiations.

    1. Jockey

      Not trying to say this should happen btw, I’m more curious about the legalities of it all.

      1. Andy

        I’d expect TransDev would just walk away from the contract.
        Not worth the hassle (de proootests etc) and the penalty costs of taking the service offline which training replacement drivers (who would then be labelled scabs etc)

  7. stephen

    It comes down to this – it’s not massively useful or skilled work, and the drivers aren’t worth the huge increase they’re demanding.
    Look at the public opinion on the side of junior doctors in the UK. The Luas drivers are deluded and greedy

      1. MoyestWithExcitement

        Yeah, looking for an extra 6k over 3 years to pay your mortgage and feed your children is greedy.

          1. MoyestWithExcitement

            ……Goldman Sachs and tge like are just a small time investors club full of teachers or something?

          2. ReproBertie

            The people who’s pensions Goldman Sachs and the like invest in “vulture” funds may well be.

          3. MoyestWithExcitement

            Yeah those good old stockbrokers. Always looking out for the little guy. They’ve got all our best interests at heart. The last 8 years never happened.

          4. ReproBertie

            So stock brokers and people with pensions aren’t allowed look for extra money to pay their mortgages and feed their children?

          5. Bungle

            Big assumption that all these Luas “drivers” are breeder mortgage-servicing drones like yourself, Moist.

            Sure weren’t you having a go at Owen C there yesterday for making assumptions.

            I suppose now you’re going to retort by saying you own your house outright, your three international caps on the credenza, no doubt.

          6. MoyestWithExcitement

            No, millionaire speculators gave millions. It’s very simple stuff. Are you actually going to push a narrative that the speculators who ruined the country are all public servants?

          7. ReproBertie

            What percentage would be acceptable? Do pension funds and investment funds publish the details of their investors?

    1. DubLoony

      It may not be massively skilled but a well functioning transport system is important for the overall smooth running of a city. It is important that it works properly.
      Nothing wrong with paying competent people well.

        1. Andy

          So what? Transdev Ireland are a subsidiary of Transdev Group.
          If Transdev Ireland doesn’t wash it’s face it’ll be closed down.

          Transdev Group has 82,000 workers.
          Should all Trasdev employees get this €6k wage increase? That would seem logical given the sole basis for the arguement is “sure doesn’t it have the money”?

          That’d cost them €492mm.
          Given per your link it only generated net income of €82mm in 2015 that would result in a pro forma loss of €410mm.

          1. rory

            “Transdev Group has 82,000 workers.
            Should all Trasdev employees get this €6k wage increase? That would seem logical given the sole basis for the arguement is “sure doesn’t it have the money”?

            You’re one slippery monkey. We’re talking about the people in the pay dispute, obviously.

          2. some old queen

            Transdev are employed to operate a public owned transport system here in Ireland. They are managed by Transport Infrastructure Ireland. What they do with the rest is their own business but they will talk to their employees here otherwise the penalties will mount to the point where they will be no longer the operator of the Luas.

          3. Andy

            So why bring up the revenues/profit of the entire Group then if you’re only focusing on the Luas workers?

          4. rory

            Hi Andy,
            In what way is your delineation in your argument (that when it comes to profits, its Transdev Ireland rather than the Transdev Group), how is that dividing line not arbitrary?
            For example, Transdev Ireland don’t seem to make the same delineation on their website. Trandev Ireland is Transdev, ‘operating in 20+countries worldwide’ according to their homepage.

  8. rotide

    This particular action more than any others reminds of the taxi drivers carry on just prior to deregulation. A group of workers being unreasonable and greatly irritating the general public.

    For their sake I hope they don’t get similar results to the taxi drivers.

    1. Tish Mahorey

      Where does your bitterness towards ordinary unskilled workers come from Editor?

      Are you tuppence ha’penny?

  9. Owen

    The Luas striking on the commemoration weekend defines everything that was wrong with boom Ireland, and indicates a clear movement back to the days of ‘work less, more money, poor service’. After they held the people for ransom, and threatened it on Paddys day, they lost every ounce of respect they might have got.

    Standard Union crap…. do less, ask for more, all for one.

    1. Tish Mahorey

      “commemoration weekend”

      Can even bring yourself to say Easter Rising…. “eww”

  10. Tish Mahorey

    I wonder now many of the so-called professionals on here spreading the hate of unskilled workers got their ‘degrees’ from private colleges because they didn’t score enough points for a real University?

    1. Tish Mahorey

      “I’d say Moyest’s boss is only delighted with his productivity’

      Do you not have a job Editorotide?

  11. Brian S

    Moyest has to be leather jacket guy. Nobody likes him. He’s obviously an absolutely moronic fool. And his trolling levels are high.

  12. I Heart MCD

    This yellow-skip-on-fire of a comment thread makes one pine for the kingly rule of a boards.ie moderator.

  13. Stumpy

    Jesus. Christ. Broadsheet – time to take a look a the business model. The above monkeys-throwing-feces-at-each-other ‘debate’ is yet another low point. The website is dying on its arse.

    1. Brian S

      Don’t worry there’ll be a leather jacket guy video soon to bring the quality back up

    2. jungleman

      Yeah what the hell happened?! Don’t spend as much time here as I used to, but the new commenters are wrecking the site.. Moyest, don pidgeon, some old queen, tish mahorey. Maybe they are all just one person? BS needs moderators.

      1. Tired old refrain

        It’s just one or two geebags jungle man trying to ruin the site for everyone else

        1. Anne

          Contribute or fupp off. It’s very simple.
          As it stands, you contribute nothing Sybil.

          Admins, he’s calling people geebags again..

      2. some old queen

        I think you will find that I do not get into personal attacks and while you may not agree with my opinions all the time, the above was a dig at those who try to hijack threads.

        Just read above it to see why. I Heart MCD is correct, There should be some restrictions on the amount of posts an individual can make on a given thread, preferably by IP No rather than name.

  14. Truth in the News

    Who owns Transdev and what is a Luas employee’s take home pay when all deductions are applied.

  15. Anne

    Wage increases would benefit the economy over all according to a lot of economists and even some very wealthy individuals are starting to recognise this.

    If anyone’s interested, here’s a documentary from Robert Reich – ‘Inequality for all’.
    https://youtu.be/Q8swuwO_E8U?t=276

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