44 thoughts on “Meanwhile, In Dún Laoghaire

        1. B Hewson

          What’s with the attack on DLR mofo – A walk on the pier is one of the best things anyone could do (ever)

      1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

        As all great Islamic scholars like yourself know, Islam is just one religion with no differences between any groups at all.

      2. well

        if we’re going to Ban it can we ban Christianity too?
        Pre-enlightment Christianity was just as awful. and it still improving itself at a much slower pace than it should.

      3. pedeyw

        I always wonder whether trolls trolling racist pooh are worse than the true believer racists. I think they probably are.

          1. pedeyw

            I dunno, racists are deluded. Trolls spew what they know to be terrible, but don’t care, for their own amusement.

        1. Lorcan Nagle

          I don’t see much difference between a racist and someone who says racist things anonymously to get a rise.

  1. Tish Mahorey

    Probably the work of some local fine upstanding devout Catholic professional who sits up front at mass and roars out the Our Father and listens to sermons about forgiveness.

    1. well

      The Stormfront cross in the top right of the image is a white nationalist symbol. I would say this has less to with religion and more to do with racism.

      And while i don’t think anyone can be racist towards a religion there is an obvious racial divide due to history and geography .

    2. DubLoony

      I recognise the logo. Its used by some group I’m not going to waste a minute googling.
      But they are ulta Irish, ultra catholic, lunatic fringe latched onto certain institute.

  2. Eoin

    I’m just starting to enjoy the secular nature of the west these days. Lets not go back to the bad old days of religious law. I don’t think religion should be banned, but it should have no power over the state or law. And while I’ve got no time for Catholicism, there are over 90 Sharia law courts in the UK where it is not illegal to hit a woman. Yet it is illegal in all other courts. This is what we do not want. Yet there it is in the UK.

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      Let’s have all the facts yeah? None of the Sharia courts are legally binding. None of the Jewish Beth Din courts are either.

    2. Tish Mahorey

      That’s a civil arbitration system for Muslims should they choose to use it. It does not override the UK’s laws and courts. It is common for ethnic groups around the world to hold civil courts alongside state courts but they generally defer to state courts. Businesses often use mediation instead of court. It’s a similar system.

      1. AshbourneFanny

        It’s reasonable to assume that Muslim women are pressured into accepting sharia arbitration and unequal treatment based on gender is built into the process: eg Talaq unilateral divorce available to men and not men. That’s even before you look at sexism in outcomes. I think that’s why one of Trevor Phillips’ suggestions made on foot of the Muslim Attitudes survey last week was that Sharia Courts be more scrutinised and possibly public.

        1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          True for some Muslim women but that survey wasn’t worth the paper it was written. All courts should be public and should be law of the land. Same with schools. But there is a strong desire from these communities to keep things in-house so either it applies to everyone or no one. And it would be super tricky to make that happen.

          1. AshbourneFanny

            To say it’s what these communities want ignores how consent can be coerced within such communities. In the long run different civil arbitration can be very detrimental to social cohesion; shared law forms part of the foundation of shared values which are essential to social harmony.

          2. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            I’m not ignoring that at all, I’m saying it would be super tricky to make happen unless you force all of cultural courts to close. That won’t happen unless you get the communities to see why it’s of benefit or change their viewpoint to make them align with actual law and would just drive them further underground where you can’t help anyone.

  3. Tish Mahorey

    Come to think of it, by allowing Sharia arbitration, you’re opening the door to the Catholic Church going back to the bad old days of internal investigations resulting in child molesters being moved to other parishes.

    One state, one law.

  4. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

    Can we move on from the “Islam is one big evil religion” thing now? It clearly isn’t given the murder of the shopkeeper in Glasgow and everything that has come out about that.

  5. The Usual Suspect

    Top left symbol is ‘Celtic Dawn’; Identity Ireland’s former wannabe paramilitary incarnation before they tidied themselves up to enter politics. Since they had their asses handed to them at the general election maybe they’re regressing, expect brown-shirted uniforms and red armbands any day now…

    Unfortunately, also more of this kind of thing…

  6. some old queen

    The Muslim academics speaking in the media in Britain say that Islam is no more homophobic than the other regions but the evidence coming from young gay Muslim people does not support this assertion. They have a really hard time and for the most part, coming out usually means being exiled from their communities.

    I’ll be upfront here and say that as a gay man if the same influx of Muslim people arrived in Ireland as Britain, I would not feel comfortable. THEY would not allow me to be equal. It may not be ‘right on’ to say this but it is certainly not racism. I welcome them if tolerance is mutual but if not then they should go elsewhere.

    As for this poster stuff, it is reactionary nonsense paying on base prejuidces. I have no time for these clowns either because the values they claim to be defending are not mine and never were. They too would bring us back to the days of cleric rule if they had the chance.

    If you want to read about what is really going on, read about the oil summit yesterday in Doha. Then you will see that it is not about religion at all, just money and geo political power.

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