1916

Soldiers from Nottingham, England-based regiment – the Sherwood Foresters – on Northumberland Road, Ballsbridge, Dublin, April 26, 1916.

So callow they thought they were in the Western front.

John Gallen writes:

[A poppy wreath dedicated to the members of one British Army regiment who lost their lives during 1916 has been removed]. It seems the Battle of Mount Street Bridge is still raging on….Beggars belief that these anyone would desecrate a memorial of 1916.
But at the same time, it’s a typical republican attitude of ‘our way or no way’ and trying to destroy any reparations between our two nations that the rest of us, the vast majority, try to encourage…

Gulp.

Tribute To 1916 British Soldiers Removed (Irish Times)

Previously: Dazed In The Hood

56 thoughts on “War Is Over

  1. dav

    While no tribute should be disturbed, is it wrong to mention that the Survivors of Mount Street were involved in the killing of unarmed civilians (Mainly Men) in their own homes on North Earl St??

          1. dav

            My source was “The Enemy Files” shown on RTE 1 – Portilo read officer reports regarding the shooting of civilians.
            Should be still on the player

          2. dav

            Also Brendan O’Carroll had a brilliant one on BBC2 a while back, where he pointed out, quiet rightly, how working class boys from Nottingham were being marched to the slaughter by Senior Officers who wouldn’t let them cross the canal by any of the other bridges that were not guarded.

      1. Nilbert

        idiot. Its directly related to the same people, and the same series of event. Is this your stock response? You need a new one.
        if you want whatabouttery, I have yet to see a memorial to Hitler in London, or to Bomber Harris in Dresden.

    1. Medium Sized C

      You mean the South Staffordshire regiment?
      On North King street?

      Was Mr Constant Markievicz there too?

    2. Harry Molloy

      and the 1916 heros executed looters who were probably trying to feed these families.
      it matters not, people died and it was a shame and people are entitled to remember them

      1. classter

        But putting poppy wreaths around the city? Really?

        How long would an Easter Lily commemoration last in central London?

    3. Randy Ewing

      Well wrong likes it seems to be wrong to mention that the leaders of sinn fein were involved in the murders of innocent unarmed civilians during their time in the IRA.

      That answer your question ?

  2. Willie Banjo

    The Irish Times is a daily wreath dedicated to the members of the British Army who lost their lives during 1916.

  3. Jimmy Rimmel

    220 weren’t killed – about 18 were. North king street was the Sourh Staffs- different regiment

  4. The Real Jane

    “But at the same time, it’s a typical republican attitude of ‘our way or no way’ and trying to destroy any reparations between our two nations that the rest of us, the vast majority, try to encourage…”

    Poor old him, all his efforts for nothing.

    Possibly he has a point in there, but the mawkish bleating really is a turn off.

  5. leesider

    I’d say he was absolutely over the moon that somebody took it so he could give us his speel. Sad that people can’t shut these people up by ignoring them. I don’t want to see the poppy in Ireland and would never wear one but I wouldn’t pick up a wreath and throw it in the bin because it gives lads like this to give us his stock reply which the ITs will be so happy to cover. Amazing the coverage that this small minority gets.

  6. Clampers Outside!

    Clearly the message of inclusion that the 1916 commemorations show ‘respect to all that died’ was lost on many a fool. No change there then :) …wasn’t really to be expected, hoped for, but not expected.

    1. The Real Jane

      Some people may not have agreed with the message of inclusion, though. Personally, I’m somewhat agnostic about it – I don’t see the purpose, really. Although I also wouldn’t be interested enough to touch anyone else’s commemoration. But just beause the Office for National Maturity decided to make the commemoration of 1916 a show of just how much we’ve grown as a nation, it doesn’t mean that their message was the only possible – or relevant – one.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        It shows maturity as a nation, to be all inclusive, and to pay respects to all sides like those countries involved in WW1 / WW2 do. You don’t see the French at this childish behaviour towards the Germans.

        1. The Real Jane

          Well, that we know of. I imagine neither the French nor the Germans are gasping at this incident either, just as we know little of what happens in either of those countries.

        1. Mé Féin

          The died. I respect that. But I don’t need to see their army commemorated in my country.

    1. Punches Pilot

      I am the least nationalist, patriotic republican you’ll ever come across but that’s it in a nutshell.

    2. Steve

      What about wearing a poppy to remember the thousands of nationalist Irishmen who died in WW1 who were hoping to return to an island which had home rule?? Nobody can argue that the war wasn’t stupid but their memory should never be forgotten.

      The dopes that did this are no different to the nazis. Let’s burn books to forgot the past. Let’s burn poppies to forget the past.

      1. The Real Jane

        “Nobody can argue that the war wasn’t stupid but their memory should never be forgotten.”

        I’m not sure why such a big deal is made of people who died in WW1 rather than other imperial wars. What was it that they did, above those who died in the colonies of empire, that deserves to never be forgotten?

        1. Steve

          Forget about their uniform for a second. A lot of men who died in Flanders were fighting to give Ireland home rule. We can argue over whether or not that would have happened in 1918. Fine, we will never know.

          But that is what those men, covered in pi@& and s”@t, starving, cold, rats eating their dead mates lying beside them in the trenches from chlorine gas, believed at the time. It is what they believed when they went over the top again at the next whistle. You as a witty keyboard warrior don’t get to dismiss that. Either do these yobos who removed the flowers. Those men who died deserve our respect as much as the Irish volunteers, Parnell, butt, Redmond etc.

          They also deserve our respect, again ignoring uniform and militarism , because they left behind bereaved families and friends who were basically told to airbrush these men out of existence because it didn’t fit with the re-gaelicisation of the new free state/ bunreacht Ireland. I’m delighted we got independence in 1922 but what the state did to those poor men post 1922 was shocking , e.g islandbridge left to ruin, dev’s rule that they couldn’t join the civil service…suicide, depression, antipathy, emigration, thats what greeted these men and women after 4 years of hell.

          Btw, the shinnerbots would have you believe it was the odd Irish lad who fought in WW1,it was over 200,000 over the 4 years, 35000 died. All airbrushed out of history up until recently. Shameful.

      2. classter

        Poppies are generally used in the UK as:
        1) a sign of British patriotism
        2) a recruting tool for the armed services
        3) a status symbol for the British armed services
        3) something to bash internationalist left-leaning polticians over.
        4) as a genuine remembrance for all those that died serving the UK since 1914

        This includes British soldiers during the War of Independence, British soldiers in NI, British soldiers tortuing Mau Mau rebels in Kenya, British soliders in Iraq, etc.

        You may be fine with all that. I’m not. I’m ok with accepting it at Remembrance Day events etc. but not all that keen that it be used to bespoil Dublin.

        If the aim really was to commemorate these young lads (led to their slaughter) then surely a less contentious symbol could have been used.

        I don;t remember seeing too many Iron Crosses in the UK commemorations for the centenary of WW1.

        1. Steve

          Agreed – the symbolism of the poppy here – it’s a difficult one. My only concern is the memory of those poor lads that died – don’t care what flower is used.

          Great to see that the OPW now take great care of the gardens up in islandbridge. It’s a lovely walk.

      3. Mé Féin

        The poppy is a British army/retiree symbol. Find some other way to remember dead people if you will but stop antagonizing people with this glorification of a foreign army. An army, mind you, that burned down towns, shot Irish people and as recently as the 1970s bombed our capital city.

    3. Clampers Outside!

      Poppies are worn in remembrance in Albania, USA, the Ukraine, and many others….. not just Britain and the Commonwealth countries….. so, it’s not just British, and not just British commonwealth either.

      1. classter

        But mainly in the UK & Commonwealth.

        If you google poppy almost all the relevant results apply to UK & ANZAC.

        1. The Real Jane

          Yes, I thought we were discussing Steve’s contention that we should commemorate the Irish soldiers who fought and should not be forgotten.

          1. ahjayzis

            Oh I get ya. I think poppies are inappropriate when you’re singling out the British soldiers from Ireland because it symbolises the British forces used against Ireland too.

            But this memorial was for British soldiers from Britain, and that’s the symbol you use for it.

        1. dav

          Biggest slums in europe, at that time were in Dublin. It suited the brits to keep things that way.

  7. Andy McGowan

    This is the Dublin/Wicklow Orange Lodge (1313) being deliberately provocative. This small group – about seven strong – are led by a Rangers supporting thug whose motive is to stoke sectarian tension. There are official British Legion ceremonies at the Irish National War Memorial Gardens and at St Patrick’s Cathedral but as these do not indulge in coat trailing they are unsatisfactory as far as this group is concerned.

    They placed the wreath there at approximately 6.00am and then fled the scene.

    http://www.dublin1313.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Rememberance-Sunday.jpg

    1. Owen C

      Not sure why the choice of football club is important. And i don’t think the placing of a wreath for an event 100 years ago is “provocative”. If you can’t walk past a bunch of flowers without feeling historic indignant, then i think you have some issues. People, on both sides of this, really need to move on with their lives.

      1. classter

        Placing poppies in the centre of Dublin are provocative.

        Just like placing an Easter Lily or Iron Cross in the centre of London would be provocative.

        1. Steve

          The lily would be difficult in Great Britain coz of PIRA bombing campaign. 200,000 Germans didn’t fight with Britain against Germany in WW1. The poppy is difficult.

          We need a new flower that represents the Irishmen and women who fought and died in WW1. Sure why not, one more flower, there’s loads out there.

          And it’s not as if the Easter lily is widespread in Ireland. For me – it’s represents PIRA murder. Would never wear it.

    2. Mé Féin

      Then called their sympathizers in the Irish Times when they knew the litter would be disposed of.

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