“Councillor [Alan] Tobin should stick with local issues that pertain to people instead of coming out with hideous and inaccurate comments that have little basis and that are absolutely hurtful to the many species of dog such as staffies and pit-bulls; animals who are troubled animals all because of their built and look.
Mr. Tobin is sadly going to rubber stamp the already inaccurate view that these animals are dangerous animals and that families across Ireland should be aware – far from it. If anything, these animals are hugely exploited by calculated people who turn them into vicious and nasty blood-thirsty creatures.
If we are to rely on this type of inaccurate nonsense from Fine Gael going forward, then animals in Ireland should be very worried. ARAN intends on presenting Mr. Tobin with our 2016 ‘Ass-Backwards Award’ for his dumb comments in the near future.”
John Carmody, of ARAN [Animal Rights network] on Meath Fine Gael Councillor Alan Tobin’s ‘dangerous dogs’ measure.
“absolutely hurtful to the dogs”
That’s made my day.
It’s a cracker of a line all right.
It’s better than that. The Councillor’s words are, in fact “…hurtful to the many species of dog such…” Hurtful to a species (which is an incorrect term, but whatever), not just individual dogs.
I’m a dog owner. I understand that some breeds are regarded as dangerous or unpredictable. I know that some are legally listed as requiring certain precautions. People need to grow up.
Well to be fair to John Carmody it is the entire “species” that is covered by the law, so it stands to reason that the whole lot of them would be upset, not just the more sensitive individuals among them. They are pack animals after all. That’s just like basic dog and I don’t even own a dog.
(Hurts my heart that he couldn’t issue this appeal without the ableist language though. Very sad.)
agreed, no moral fibre.
flakey as fupp
“animals in Ireland should be very worried.”
Aren;t some of these breeds designed for righting though?
Fighting unjust laws and ignorant prejudice!
we’re going to have to put a muzzle on you caroline
Staffies were bred as ratters back in the day. Their perceived image now is down to that small part of society who use them (and other breeds) for fighting.
Temperament wise they are wonderful dogs. But in the wrong hands…
They’re almost always in the wrong hands.
Staffies are the most drooly lovely wuffly doggies!!
well I looked into it (regardless of the horrible typo) and the ASPCA is against legislation against certain breeds of dogs for lots of reasons, mainly that it doesn’t really work. http://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-breed-specific-legislation
They suggest enforcing the laws that already exist, and penalizing owners & dogs that act dangerously, regardless of breed.
I can’t believe that you can get away with saying Ass-Backwards Award on Broadsheet nowadays.
It never used to be like this.
I know, my flipp’n eyes are stinging from the sight of the word “Ass”…. jeepers there is it again…. Aaaaaggghhhh
It always lights up my day when people go out of their way to be offended. If you don’t like the look, sound, smell, or feel of something you move on; rather than issuing complaints and imposing a weak sense of offense just move over to something that will not offend you, say like cute cuddle kitten pictures :) :) :)
There is no such thing as a dangerous breed of dog. Who ever actually compiled that list is clearly an idiot.
Indeed. The dog is not usually the danger. It is the owner.
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people?
If a dog is biting you, the dog is the danger.
yes true but that’s goes for all dogs.
It is also true for people.
Any dog who is biting you, is a danger.
+1, no such thing as dangerous breeds of dog, just terrible irresponsible owners. The attitude towards dogs in Ireland in general is out of date.
How come some breeds of dogs, while only making up a tiny % of of dog ownership, account for a much larger proportion of deaths?
There is always the chance that a dog of any breed will run amok, but like it or not, there are certain dog breeds that are more likely to kill someone when they do.
Do these dogs require a special type of dog license?
A LOT of people get bitten by golden retrievers.
That aside, some dogs are considerably better at hurting things than others.
No way dude, they are good looking blonde middle class dogs. They’re in all the ads for home products.
Infant psychopaths chasing bogroll.
I’m fairly sure having a dog muzzled regards the strength of a dogs jaw, not its nature. So some of those breeds would, and do make great family pets.
I’d love to have a ridgeback (lovely mannered dogs), but would not in Ireland cause I’d have to put a muzzle on it.
Indeed they do
And so do Rothies and Akitas
Although all dogs, behaviour , one way or another, is a result of the owners management
There’s a few saucy little bollixes where I walk
And they’re not on that poster
There are bad owners
Not bad dogs
I second that bad owner saying.
Having owned a ridgeback and currently own a rottweiller, I find the ignorance of this individual knows no bounds
Ridgebacks are cool looking dogs
Ridgebacks born without the distinctive ridge pattern, (a genetic mutation bred into the animal which looks cool but is a sign of spinal deformity ) are usually destroyed despite being more healthy than the ridge(y) ones. It is cruelty to animals. but it looks cool though and that’s the main thing so its okay. When is Crafts back on?
And do you keep you dog muzzled and on a short leash when you’re out like you’re supposed to. Your rottweiler may be friendly to you but what if a small child got too close and the dog felt threatened, it would attack. This is why big dogs should not be allowed in public areas unless they are fully restrained by the owner and have a muzzle on.
that could happen with any dog. I’ve found small dogs to be much more prone to be very territorial and aggressive. staffies and shepherds, however, are perfectly lovely if raised correctly.
Maybe but a small dog is a lot less likely to maul a child to death. Even if a bigger dog is raised correctly it only tales a split second for it to change and attack.
I need stats or that is just made up. Ever seen a terrier take out a badger? They are a lot bigger, are not scared and go straight for the throat. Vicious.
You have never owned a dog have you Stephen?
Dogs have personalities. And like people their personalities don’t just change.
Normal people don’t just go from normal happy go lucky people to kicking someones teeth in. and neither do dogs.
@ Don Pidgeoni
No but I’ve seen a badger turn into an oul bitch
@rehab/broadsheet – thanks for continuing to illustrate my point! I look forward to you following me around for the next few days and making similar comments out of desperation.
Japanese akita? Doge, the derpiest dog ever? Fupp off
Just because it looks cute doesn’t mean it isn’t dangerous. Animals aren’t toys.
Except when they are.
Michael Corcoran was good on Saturday! ‘Mon Connaght !
Seriously? I was in the car listening to updates on Newstalk. Did they have the whole thing live or just dip in and out?
I know, it used to be the opposite with all the focus on the football in England and dip ins to the rugby ! But we had full MC with Tony Ward adding in his viewpoints( well I only got the last 15 mins). He makes the matches! the best commentator by a mile!
True that. He’s the next best thing to being there. Both Semis are on TG4 and they’re both evening kick offs so unless they stick him on RTÉ Extra (or whatever they call the longwave station these days) it’ll be the cúpla focal for Saturday.
Doge is a Shiba Inu
You’re right, d’oh >.>
“Councillor [Alan] Tobin should stick with local issues that pertain to people”
He is doing exactly that.
I don’t want to be in the vicinity of some scumbag’s aggressive dog. People have a right to be safe in public. Scumbags shouldn’t be allowed to have these. Or anyone else for that matter but we all know scumbags don’t know how to behave in public.
Some people should not have dog’s and other’s are just idiots like for example, I had my dog around in a little green area beside where I live. I was clearly throwing a ball and my dog was clearly chasing the ball. A women who can see this still decided to bring her child in and allow her to run loose, she was not watching her child, the child ran for my dog who turned to run for the ball and in the process flattened her child. The mother turned to see my dog over her child and went mental accusing my dog of all sorts. I lost the rag and told her to fupp off. Long story short the garda got involved and my dog was being classed as dangerous. Only there is a cctv from the building over looking the green area my dog would have been fupped. So how many “dangerous incidents” are actually idiots just panicking because the dog is not a little fluff ball.
Wow that really showed her
Showed her not to be a moaning twit alright.
Hope you disinfected that dog when you got home, kids are covered in germs
Hmm. I’d say you think your dog is more important than a person’s safety.
you ever bump into someone by accident? We can put you down if you want.
No i don’t, but not supervising your child is irresponsible and freaking out when seeing what she say is understandable, Not listening to what happened because she couldn’t admit she was wrong and trying to get my dog put down is a completely scummy thing to do.
And my dog is far more important to me than a strangers child. This does not mean I’d allow my dog to be unsafe around people.
have you considered that the last person that dog wants to be next to you is you?
Have you considered an adult literacy course?
your bark is worse than your bite
Sure it’s barely a nibble.
threatening looking dogs are the classical sign of the insecure male who normally always also has too many tattoos, a woman with too much make up and very tight jeans and some horrid flashy car. I’d frankly bring the lot to the RSPCA in the hope they all get out down quickly and painlessly.
Insecure in yourself i see.
White trash basically. Human litter.
The RSPCA? Perhaps you mean somewhere in the country we’re discussing?
The vast majority of deaths due to dog attacks in the US are pitbulls. I don’t understand people who instead they are not dangerous. The children who are killed by these dogs are usually the children of people who were sure that their dogs were friendly and insisted they never showed any signs of aggression.
From the same page
“According to [the last] study, reliable verification of the breed of dog was only possible in 18% of incidents.”
So there you go.
” hurtful to the many species of dog ”
Just stop that now, please, or fupp off FFS!
Speaking as one of Cllr Tobin’s constituents, I was just astonished to see a sign erected by Meath County Council in Ashbourne full stop. They’re usually pretty hands-off.
There is, according to my anti-animal-cruelty sources, lots of dog fighting going on in Ireland, in areas such as Cavan, Tipperary and the North Circular Road. I can’t remember ever seeing a prosecution for this. I’ve met some lovely banned-breed dogs with nice owners; could it be that the aim of the law is faulty here, and that it should be targeting the swines who use dogs to fight, and taking the dogs off them — and don’t even start me on puppy farms.
They need to ban dogs from public areas and green spaces and playing fields. It’s disgusting that owners allow them to just run wild around people and children. Even when they do pick up poo after them there is still residue left behind that if a child touched could have serious consequences but dog owners are mostly selfish as*****s who only care about their precious little mutt and not other peoples safety.
We should be made to disinfect the area afterwards
But tell us
Who’s in charge of cleaning and sanitising public areas after rats, mice, foxes, squirrels, the birdies whatever yer having yerself?
Don’t look at me cause it’ll be all I can do Dettoxing every pillar, post and blade of grass in the Stannaway park area.
No you should just not be letting your dog s*** wherever it likes. If it needs a poo then let it do it in your own back garden.
You could always keep your kids locked inside away from all the filthy germs.
Can’t be too careful son…
What are the chances of my dog sh11tting where and when I tell them ta’
I can’t get her out’ve me bed ffs
Do you read her the drivel you post here every week as work in progress in bed – ever wondered if that’s her only way of showing her lack of appreciation?
Dogs are clean animals. If your provide a toilet at the entrance of the park they will use it. Why is this not a law in Ireland?
Stephen. I could not agree more. On that note, lets make a formal agreement.
I will sign a petition to ban all dogs from parks when you sign one banning all kids with runny noses or grubby hands from any public eatery, including any kids that cry, run lose, knock anything over or generally annoy me.
I think thats fair.
Il sign that. My dog is cleaner than most kids
You have a cat don’t you……..
The thread of posts on this subject is just so flipp’n funny….. Frantic, frantic institutionalized scaremongering…..
Your right, we should ban dogs from public spaces. “Stephen” would you mind calling to my local Nursing Home and explaining to them why I am not allowed bring my dog into them every Saturday morning for cuddles and biscuits.
Are you that desperate for the cuddles and biscuits. Shameless.
The RSPCA? Perhaps you mean somewhere in the country we’re discussing?
They need to ban children from public areas and green spaces and playing fields. It’s disgusting that parents allow them to just run wild around people. Even when they do pick up after them there is still residue left behind that a child touched which could have serious consequences but parents are mostly selfish as*****s who only care about their precious little mutt and not other peoples safety.
So, hypothetical question : everyone here who’s saying how unfair it is on the dogs, would be more than happy to have their toddler wandering around a park with unmuzzled and unleashed Pit Bulls and Rottweilers? Would you really? Or would you not just grow up and play it safe? “There are bad owners, not bad dogs”.. Give me a break..
Exactly, when a dog feels threatened it will bite or attack and usually it’s toddlers or small children that make it feel threatened. Most dog owners are too selfish to understand this.
Well it’s just a massive coincidence that a certain kind of person who is not necessarily the best owner for an animal tends to go for certain breeds of dog. Not the dog’s fault, but that makes no difference to anyone – they still have to be controlled.
I might pick up the kid if I didn’t know the dog.
I’d like to think that at 6 foot I’d be more threatening to a dog than a toddler, no matter how much dog filth the toddler had on their hands.
Or I could trust in a sign to remove the threat
Why are there toddlers rambling freely around the park?
Ah their parents must be off teaching the “dangerous” breeds how to attack random strangers, toddler snatch and just generally upset people :) :) :)
You have a cat don’t you…..
All dogs should be leashed, all dogs are capable of biting
all bitches too – sexist!
You were sexist, Broadsheet spawned a monster, that’s why it was deleted.
your clear and indeed unwarranted gender bias against male canines was writ large in that comment don pidgey anna
These dogs should be shot on sight. Dogs: the other white meat. Or tofu.
Kinda off topic, but I would like to see a crackdown on people walking dogs off the lead in the city.
The two groups are idiots
The councillor for his ill informed post
ARAN in my book are just over zealous vegetarians with nothing else to do
Will someone please think of the puppies?!
He’s clearly a dogist, most of the dogs on his list are foreigners…..
It’s just a bit of common sense to put up this sort of picture as a lot of people don’t know what these restricted – not banned – breeds actually look like. It would be helpful if current legislation regarding these animals wearing muzzles in public was actually enforced.
Dogs like these can be either guard dogs, or house dogs, Never both. There are responsible owners who want a house dog and the dog is trained to like everyone. There are also dog owners who need a guard dog and the dog is trained to guard its territory.
The problem with some owners is that they try and do both and the dog is a liability.
On a side note, Kids should be shown how to approach a dog properly. I have seen so many adults and children just reach down and touch my dog. She loves it, but no one ever checks if it is ok first.
There are too many dogs.
Years ago, dogs had jobs. They worked on farms, went hunting with gentlemen, herded livestock, searched out truffles, guarded property and chased off cats.
Now they’re all unemployed scroungers.
and they went down rabbit holes
they did Dog’s work
I hate the way people make excuses for bad dogs.
Blaming owners. More abdication of responsibility.
Dogs who bite humans deserve to die violent deaths.