This evening.
Barnardo Square, Dame Street, Dublin 2.
A Rainbow vigil in memory of those killed in the massacre at a predominately gay nighclub in Orlando, Florida in the early hours of Saturday morning. A Book of Condolonce has been opened at the Mansion House, Dawson Street, Dublin 2 [10am-5pm] in support of LGBT community.
Pics: Buzz O Neill Maxwell, Rollingnews.
Earlier: Strong Pulse
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Ah here, lads, it’s Barnardo Square, Dame Street, and then City Hall. Nowhere near the Central Bank.
Wonderful
Old Compton Street in London was packed end to end, really massive crowds, total silence. Really moving.
And I met Jeremy Corbyn! :oO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland
Yeah that’s been brought up a lot. The Duncan and all the other bars shut up shop at 7 and everyone went onto the street.
Why is the sexuality of those who were murdered important?
Ask the guy who murdered them. Ask the people who insist that talking about him murdering them for their sexuality is divisive or attention seeking or drama-queening or trying to own the massacre. Go ahead, ask them. Good luck.
still don;t get it
Wow. I thought that *I* was a wantonly offensive pedant. Yes the attacker
was looking to kill people in general. But he chose his victims for their sexuality. You know this. Stop being silly.
“Behold the new communalism. Only blacks can empathise with black pain, only women can challenge misogyny, only gays can truly feel the horror of Orlando. You must have experienced something to know it: an alarming negation of the ideal of human empathy. It’s an explicit disavowal of universalism, of human solidarity.”
Dump the Irish Times Op/Ed gender identity politics shtick and its narrative and just express sympathy. God rest their souls of whatever God, gods, or non-god they believed in.
“Behold the new communalism. Only blacks can empathise with black pain, only women can challenge misogyny, only gays can truly feel the horror of Orlando. You must have experienced something to know it: an alarming negation of the ideal of human empathy. It’s an explicit disavowal of universalism, of human solidarity.”
Yes this by the infamous Brendan O’Neill of spiked-online who opposes gay marriage?
No one is saying that Cop On, literally no one. I empathise when a synagogue or Sikh temple get’s shot up or blown up – I don’t tell the jews and Sikh’s to quit trying to ‘own’ the tragedy or accuse them of being drama queens making it all about them purely because they acknowledge they were targeted for their identity.
Seriously, what are you reading that’s getting you so angry and offensive?
I think every decent person empathizes with the victims and their families, but to pretend that the shooter did not specifically go to a place where this casualties had a far higher than usual chance of being gay and as a result this massacre does not have specific relevance and resonance for gay people is, in all fairness, truth and honesty, obtuse beyond belief.
That’s no way to go through life.
Ask the man who hated homosexuality who targetted a gay venue and killed 49 gay people.
But y’know, probably totally random, twist of fate, you massive, massive troll.
Wow
At least 50!people are gay in Dublin
Who knew?
Your da.
You
https://youtu.be/zyNyHark4xk
Interesting that RTE felt the need to state the professions of some of those murdered on the news today?
interesting that you find this disagreeable?
His dad says that his killer son came home ranting a couple of weeks ago and objecting to two men publicly snogging. His ex wife left him after 4 months and got her family to come and rescue her. Apparently he would arrive in from work in a good mood but if the laundry not finished he’d batter her. Travelled 150 miles to carry out these killings. Street angels and house devils need to get help eh.
Aye and you’ve left some out regarding the ability of him to be armed easily (in the US) and the targeting of his enemies during the period of Ramadan; aim of the mission.
Yeah. We really do have to start treating domestic violence more seriously – if not for the immediate victims, for what it tells us about the nature of the person involved. There are a couple of point where he could have been stopped – including the point where he was known to have inflicted violence on a person he considered his inferior.
Beating people up in your house is a strong predictor that you might get a bit hitty or shooty outside it as well. We’ve got to start stopping these people as early as possible.
It’s unthinkable that a person known to be prone to violence can get a gun legally.
I’m currently out in Orlando on holidays, staying on International drive and only 15 min drive from Pulse nightclub. Other than 24 hr news coverage on TV/Radio, you wouldn’t know anything was different here. Theme parks full, Shopping Outlets full, beaches full. This all despite Orlando being in a ‘State of emergency’. Interesting how life ‘just goes on’, although I accept the majority of places I have frequented over the past few days have been areas which attract tourists as opposed to locals.
People I know are having a rip-roaring’ time in Florida, so much hot-dawg make ya sick.
Have you been ta’ Hogsmede / Diagon Alley yet John?
There 240 unsolved gangland murders in this country.
Mostly white, Irish, catholic, heterosexual males.
Where is the outrage?
Books of condolences?
Where are the vigils? Marches?
I personally feel that the white, Irish, catholic, heterosexual males in this country are discriminated against by the LGBT community.
Friendly reminder that guns and bullets don’t discriminate.
Nor should you.
Stay safe.
Thanks Tev. However you forgot to insult the Queers. How could you be so exclusionary?
Good point Rev.
Does the Irish lgbt community have a persecution complex or is it a middle class gay thing?
A man was sentenced yesterday for stabbing his wife’s son to death, the same wife whose daughter is now missing since 2008. There are on average 44 people murdered in the US every day, but I suppose that black straight men don’t count as much as white gay men?
There’s a whole blacklivesmatter movement for you to get involved in now that thanks to the Orlando massacre you suddenly care about racism.
+1
‘Selective mourning.’
Rather than tackle and debate the issue of terrorism, the LGBT community claim they very own tragedy.
Can’t talk about terrorism with the word ‘homophobic’ in front of it. Not real terrorism. Can’t let them have their own tragedy. There wouldn’t be any tragedy left for the rest of us.
Rather than tackle or admit the existence of homophobia, people like you are making nasty snide little comments.
It’s increasingly looking less like bog standard terrorism and more like a fupped up closet case taking out a room full of well-adjusted gayers. But by all means, let’s discuss the foreign policy implications.
Really, that is a really nasty, vindictive little post from you.
+49+1
there are a good few closet homophobes out there too
You claimed there was no such thing as homophobia in another thread. I then posted a video of Split in Croatia in 2011 to prove you wrong, after which you went silent.
And now, here you are with this whataboutery bullsh|t.
You are not clever or smart, you sir are a bigot.
Apparently the lad himself who did the shooting- people are now saying – was possibly also gay and this is why he was able to get into the club so easily packing heat.
That’s possible. Some of the biggest homophobes are actually closets or in denial which somewhat explains their OTT reaction to other gay people.
I don’t know about the states but here in Ireland and Britain, gay venues do not search upon entrance. They usually have no need to.
I’ve always thought that. Repression making you resent and hate the people who don’t hate themselves.
I found one of the biggest bullies I had in school on Gaydar years later with the saddest of closetty “discreet” profiles.
and being from Roscommon
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/lgbt-muslims-orlando/486923/
Don’t know if you heard, but fifty people were just murdered in a single incident, almost certainly a homophobic attack, and that is why people are talking about it. There. Now you know.
Have you organised a march or a vigil yourself? Have you opened a book of condolences? Do you know why these things happen? Because people who care *make* them happen. Not because they’re sitting on their bottoms complaining about someone else doing something but not the specific thing they’d do if only they could be bothered.
I’m going to offer up a few decades of the rosary – will that do?
*sees comments, leaves*
I’m belatedly taking that advice.
Some really, really ugly attitudes surfacing from people previously thought to be balanced, normal people.
Fupp ’em all.
Same idiots, difference topic really.
I would have loved to have been in Soho – worked got in the way sadly. It looked like a fantastic vibe. Also, great dance off!
is it not LGBTI?
LGBTQIA – last time I asked.
How dare the LGBT’s exclude the QIA’s from the grief ownership process!
The books of condolences are available for anyone to sign. If you feel so strongly about it then I suggest you pop in and do so.
But you won’t now will you?
I am just making fun of the idiots who are claiming gays are ‘owning’ the Pulse tragedy soq.
And in what way is anyone owning this tragedy? Do LGBT not have a right to grieve in the same way as any other group who suffered similar?
What you don’t get is that this is not an isolated incident. Violence against gay people happens on a regular basis and this is just the latest manifestation of it.
Please point to me to one example of this ‘owning’ that you object to so much.
OK sorry I misread your intent. I like some others are shocked by some of the comments made on this subject on BS.
As pointed out by Douglas Robertson. If it leaves you uneasy that a man motivated by feelings that you have yourself took it upon himself to buy a couple of deadly weapons and carry out this horrendous attack, then that really is your problem not ours.
So glad you get to have your fun.
Give yourself a break Nigel – life’s too short to be snarky about every blessed thing.
Oh, it’s no trouble.
On the other hand, sorry if my snarkiness was misdirected.
that’s ok Nigel, there’s a lot of closet homophobia coming out in recent days so I understand where you’re coming from.
Very good piece by Douglas Robertson in the UK Independent yesterday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/orlando-shooting-pulse-florida-not-attack-on-us-all-owen-jones-homophobic-anti-gay-crime-omar-mateen-a7079221.html
good article soq thanks for posting