A Cold Case Of Confusion

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From top: Philip Cairns, Angela Copley, Paul Williams and retired detective Gerry O’Carroll

The investigation into the 1986 disappearance of Philip Cairns has been marred by contradictions, confusion and misrepresentation.

Not least in the past 24 hours.

The information provided by unnamed Gardai sources on June 10 to RTÉ and the Irish Independent  to date may be summarised follows.

A woman was ‘in a car’ with Eamon Cooke either ‘on the day of’ Philip’s disappearance or ‘in or around the time of’ his diappearance. It is not stated that Philip was also in the car.

It is however stated that Philip was in Cooke’s Radio Dublin studio on a day which appears to have been the same day the woman was in Cooke’s car. Although not stated, this must have been his studio at Inchicore Road, as this was the place Radio Dublin was operating from in 1986.

The woman says she saw Philip unconscious and bleeding in the studio. She believes that this was after being hit with a blunt implement.

The woman was not in the room at the time Philip was hit and only saw the aftermath. It is then stated that the woman fainted and then when she woke up she was in a car being driven by Cooke. It is not stated if Philip or his body was also in the car.

Nor is it stated how Philip got to the studio in the first place.

It is further stated that the woman made a formal statement to Gardai in May 2016. It has more recently been stated that the woman originally came forward to Gardai in 2011 at the time of the anniversary appeal but did not make a statement until later.

Eamon Cooke died in a hospice on June 4, 2016. It is stated that Gardai interviewed him in the hospice on at least two occasions before his death.

It appears that these interviews took place after the May statement. It is not explained why Cooke – who was under palliative care at the time of the interviews, which took place shortly before his death – was not interviewed before, if the information in the May statement had – as indicated above – been communicated in some form to Gardai in 2011.

It was originally stated that Cooke corroborated or confirmed ‘some aspects’ of the statement but had not disclosed the location of Philip’s body.

It was subsequently stated that Cooke had denied killing Philip. It was however stated that he admitted knowing Philip.

However in another report – by UTV – Alice Cairns is specifically quoted as saying that Cooke admitted knowing Philip in one interview, but denied it in another.

Nonetheless gardai – as reported by RTE yesterday – continue to contend that Cooke knew Philip

They qualified this however by saying ‘in the sense of inviting children to visit his radio station’.

The use of the term ‘children’ makes it unclear whether the invitation allegedly issued by Cooke to Philip was a general invitation to a number of children or an invitation to Philip specifically.

There are also reports of the Gardai in 2011 having been made aware of a paedophile ring in a pub in which Cooke and paedophile priest Fr Bill Carney was involved.

It is not clear whether or not the woman who made the May statement was also the informant in relation to this ring. It is not stated in reports where the pub was located. The ring in the pub was described as an ‘open secret’ although it is also stated that the pub owner was unaware of it.

It is not stated how Philip would have come to the attention of this ring.

Although he subsequently moved to Clondalkin, Eamonn Cooke had been born and brought up in Glasnevin, subsequently lived in Inchicore, and was still living there at the time of Philip’s disappearance. The Radio Dublin offices where Cooke worked were in his home in Inchicore.

According to the Murphy Report, Fr Carney had been receiving treatment for paedophilia for some years prior to Philip’s death.

Although he had been released from the treatment facility and was serving again in a Dublin parish at the time of Philip’s disappearance, this was only a recent appointment and it was not Philip’s parish.

The Murphy Report found that Fr Carney took local children swimming, organised regular outings for children and worked with the boy scouts.

It also states he had developed very familiar relationships with a small number of families that had problems and had no father figure, and had holidayed with these families.

Philip was a student at Colaiste Eanna, Rathfarnham. He was a member of the Legion of Mary, a prayer group and the Irish Sea Anglers’ Association. He also according to his mother in one interview ‘swam a bit in the pool’.

The woman who made the allegation against Cooke is described as having been 9 years old at the time of the events alleged. She is also described as having been one of Cooke’s victims, in the sense of having been sexually abused by him.

Today Paul Williams in the Irish Independent further reports that:

“Detectives are also understood to have made progress in tracing another former child victim who, it is alleged, was instructed by Cooke to dump the bag.

This separate development in the investigation came to light when another one of Cooke’s victims divulged the girl’s identity to a community worker who supports sex abuse survivors.”

There is indeed a community worker working with victims of Cooke who has given extensive interviews to the media regarding this story.

She is Angela Copley from Ballyfermot in Dublin, who supports survivors of childhood sex abuse,

Ms Copley was referred to in an article published by Maeve Sheehan and Paul Williams in the Sunday Independent on Sunday June 12, posted at 2.30pm in which Ms Copley is quoted as saying

”This girl rang me. She rang me periodically. She was a victim of Eamon Cooke’s and I was trying to help her get on with her life. During the conversation, she came out with this. She told me that a girl threw Philip Cairns’s school bag in the lane and that Eamon Cooke had given it to her to do it.

The same day Ms Copley had appeared on the Marian Finucane Radio show. According to our transcript of this show, Ms Copley stated as follows:

“I received a phonecall from a victim of Eamon Cooke, who I have offered support to over the years. And she told me she had had a conversation with a Garda who told her that somebody had come forward and said they were the person who threw the schoolbag into the lane. She named the person to me, I’m not going to name that person.”

When asked by Marian Finucane if the victim she spoke with on the phone in May was the 9-year-old victim mentioned in news reports, Ms Copley explained:

“No, it wasn’t. I have never spoken to the 9-year-old. I know who the 9-year-old is but I have never spoken to her.”

In an interview with Kitty Holland in the Irish Times the following day, Monday  June 13,, Ms Copley said that she was in contact with a woman whom Eamon Cooke had abused as a child.

Ms Copley told the Irish Times:

”I have been supporting the woman over the years. I called her to tell her Cooke was in the hospice.” Ms Copley said that she called the woman because “it would be helpful for her “to know he would no longer be a threat”.

Ms Copley says that, during the phone conversation the woman told Ms Copley that

“a Garda had told her someone had come forward to say she had thrown the schoolbag in the lane.”

It is clear from the above that Ms Copley had no personal knowledge of the woman who made the May statement, who to avoid further confusion is referred to here as “Victim 1”.

It is also clear that Ms Copley did have personal knowledge of, and spoke on the phone with, a second victim of Eamon Cooke (“Victim 2”).

It is also clear from Ms Copley’s subsequent interviews in the Irish Times and on the Marian Finucane Show (although not from the initial report in the Sunday Independent) that Victim 2 did not tell Ms Copley that she herself had thrown the schoolbag in the lane or indeed that she knew that anyone else had done so.

What Victim 2 in fact said, according to Ms Copley, was that a Garda had told her that another victim had come forward with information about the schoolbag in the lane.

It is not clear from Ms Copley’s account whether or not the Garda said to Victim 2 that this other victim had herself admitted to having thrown the schoolbag in the lane or whether or not the other victim claimed Victim 2 had done so.

It is also not clear whether the victim who was alleged by the Garda to have come forward with information about the schoolbag was Victim 1 or a third victim of Cooke (Victim 3).

What is however clear is that Victim 2 – the only victim who spoke to Ms Copley – did not say – as reported in the Sunday Independent – that she herself threw the schoolbag in the lane.

Nor was it the case that Ms Copley informed the Gardai that Victim 2 – or any other victim – had told her that they had thrown the schoolbag in the lane.

As set out by Ms Copley in the Irish Times and Marian Finucane interviews, she did indeed approach the Gardai, following this telephone conversation, with her concerns about Cooke.

These concerns, however, were based solely on Cooke’s status as a Dublin paedophile and the fact that – along with many other citizens, some well-known, he had joined in the search for Philip.

Ms Copley in fact specifically complains about a lack of Garda response to her allegations.

The member of Gardai who approached Ms Copley’s informant is not identified. He is however described in one report as a ‘retired Garda’.

One retired detective Inspector Gerry O’Carroll, who previously worked on the Cairns case, has appeared in the media to discuss recent developments.

In an article authored by him in the Irish Independent on June 13, Mr O’Carroll states as follows:

“As a detective who worked on this case, and in light of this compelling new witness evidence and Cooke’s later paedophile convictions, it’s clear that there’s now a strong case that [Cooke] abducted and murdered Philip Cairns.”

However, in another report published in the Irish Times the very same day as his Irish Independent piece, Mr O’Carroll is reported as saying:

“I have serious questions. I don’t for one instance feel all the dots have been joined or that we have yet reached a stage of conclusivity that Eamon Cooke took little Philip… Part of this entire story lacks credibility.

I can’t figure out how this little witness of nine years of age, who was an abused child herself, could have witnessed what went on in the studio without someone seeing.[Radio Dublin] was an extraordinary busy place. How did Philip materialise from Ballyroan Road into the studio in Inchicore?”

UTV News the following day also quotes Mr O’Carroll as saying

“There are gaps that have to be joined up. Until all that happens, I am not satisfied, I cannot be convinced that we have the right man for this crime.”

More as we get it.

Previously: Philip Cairns And A Trail Of Disinformation

32 thoughts on “A Cold Case Of Confusion

  1. ollie

    Too much “work” going into blaming this on a dead man. Who’s protecting who?
    The Gardai f***ed up the original investigation, deliberately or though sheer incompetence.

    Don’t forget, this wasn’t the 1950s, it was 2 years before Ireland beat England in the Euros.

    1. dav

      one could argue that there was fook all difference between ireland in the 1950’s and 1980’s
      i remember a novena being offered up for a no vote in the divorce ref in the early 1980’s

      1. Tish Mahorey

        They were doing special offers off Purgatory then too. Must have been the closing down sale.

  2. Tish Mahorey

    So is the suggestion that Eamon Cooke is a convenient scapegoat for this murder and whoever really did it is being protected by state institutions? Or worse, by a cabal of pedos who work in state institutions?

    And Legion of Mary? I couldn’t think of a worst place to send a kid on their own.

    1. louislefronde

      It would not surprise me. Wasn’t there an investigation into child abuse about fifteen years ago where the judge resigned, because the state was not ‘playing ball’?

  3. Not Gerry Adams

    grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre – probably not unprecedented, sadly. Great reporting by Broadsheet

  4. Tish Mahorey

    “And Legion of Mary? I couldn’t think of a worst place to send a kid on their own.”

    That’s not a criticism of his parents, it’s a hindsight we all have now but sadly, not then when church affiliations were hunting grounds for pedos.

  5. Orla

    I heard the interview on Marian and found it confusing when Ms Copley explained that she set about contacting the gardaí after she spoke to the victim on the phone – to relay what the victim had said about the bag – given that the victim told Ms Copley that she got the information about the bag from a guard in the first place.

  6. Tish Mahorey

    Did Marian Finucane cough throatily throughout the show as usual.

    Shouldn’t be on air anymore. It’s unprofessional.

    1. Tish Mahorey

      That was a very odd editing of my comment Broadsheet. Do me a favour, either it leave it alone or delete it. But do not change the inherent tone of it thanks.

  7. topsy

    Gerry O’ Carroll is not a credible commentator on any matter concerning the the law or policing.

  8. moroccan rug dealer

    Blundering bufoonery again. Im reading missing child Mary Boyle’s mother in Donegal is not only objecting to an inquest into Mary but has made a will with instructions that after her death inquest is EVER to be held.
    RAISES a RED flag surely!!!!

  9. louislefronde

    Excellent work Broadsheet. At least someone is asking questions. There’s a foul stench about this case and the revelations which entered the public domain in the last week.

  10. Eamonn Clancy

    Radio Dublin was running 24hrs a day at the time. This could not have happened in the studio in front of a dj. It had to be in another room in the building, if it did happen. And had to happen when no one else was around. During the day that seems very unlikely. Clean up blood, remove a body and no one witness it?

  11. Tish Mahorey

    How can a man who is running an illegal business make a plea of leniency based on a possible loss of that business?

    It’s either legal or it’s not. And this business wasn’t.

  12. Truth in the News

    There now appears to to a rash of inconsistency’s in relation to reports in
    respect of this case and the ongoing investigation which is riddled with leaks
    If the Guards are in possession of certain reports on the death of Philip in
    one instance it is claimed going back to 2011 and the latter to May of this year
    Why has not all the property that Cooke owned or had access to being cordoned
    off and forensically examined…..indeed an outside investigator needs to be
    appointed other than the Guards, as its seems now that there is more leaking
    than digging.

    1. louislefronde

      I would suggest bringing in someone from the RCMP, they’re pretty thorough. Unlike the Gardai, the Mounties aren’t controlled by some dudes in MI5….lol!……

  13. Salmon of Nollaig

    Hardly worth exhuming at O’Carroll’s request since he’d probably have changed his view on that too in the course of the dig.

    He should be explaining the inconsistency between his article and the quote from him in another paper published THE SAME DAY.

    He should also be stating if he’s the retired garda inspector talking to former victims of Cooke telling them other people have come forward and said things they don’t appear to have actually said and if so why.

    It may be Inspector O’Carroll is a decent guy who is the victim of poor reporting and lousy garda leaks by his colleagues and if so I feel sorry for him.

    But otherwise I just feel sorry for Philip Cairns’ family and indeed the public who have to put up with inconsistent and contradictory nonsense from Gardai and crime journalists.

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