Pro Cathedral



This afternoon.

A Repeal The 8th banner on the Cathedral of Our Lady Assumed into Heaven and St Nicholas in Galway.

Díobháil writes:

In the early morning hours of [today], feminist pro-choice activists Díobháil (Bíonn Díobháil a dhéanamh againn: We make mischief) struck again and dropped a banner from Galway Cathedral stating “Repeal the 8th – Free, Safe, Legal” demanding access to abortion.

For too long, the Church and the State have controlled our bodies and our choices. It is time to finally end the unholy alliance of Church and State.

While Díobháil respects peoples’ personal religious beliefs, these should not be imposed on others, and the vast majority of people in Ireland agree (Amnesty International’s Red C Poll found that ‘82% of people polled who describe themselves as religious believe their religious views should apply to them and not be imposed on other people).

Let us not forget, St. Brigid was our first abortionist, and this is why we demand “Take your rosaries off our ovaries!”.

We are not vessels, we are not incubators, we will not be silenced.

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192 thoughts on “Pro Cathedral

  1. Clampers Outside!

    Really….. c’mon now… no need for that. What moron put that there… ffs.

    All they’ll do is hard fasten the ‘no’ side by offending them.

    Stupidity it seems, will just like in the past, be across both sides of this debate. I bet some SJW has a nipple hard on now :) All this’ll do is stroke their own ego, it’ll do nothing to further the cause.


    1. jackson

      most would disagree with having the life of a fetus given equal legal status as a human. mostly because it’s dependent on the woman carrying it, ie its a living part of her. Making it her business. Get it yet?

  2. rotide

    The members of Díobháil would be much better off targeting their feminist activism at their mammies and daddehs who most likely voted for the 8th the first time around.

    This shooting fish in a barrel accomplishes nothing.

    1. J

      LOL. So true , Rotide.The Irish government and the Irish people legitimised Catholic rule in Ireland , the anniversary of which we all gleefully celebrated this year .

  3. ollie

    “While Díobháil respects peoples’ personal religious beliefs, these should not be imposed on others”
    Yet it’s ok for you to impose your beliefs on others. a sure fire way to lose the argument.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        The hypocrisy of “Díobháil respects peoples’ personal religious beliefs….” I believe is the point.
        Clearly, they do not. They respect what they agree with, and only that as they have proven. I sometimes think these SJW types have absolutely no self awareness when it comes to practicing what they preach… it’s kinda funny though, only for the subject matter.

        1. postmanpat

          a sign hanging in public isn’t imposing anything on anyone , anymore that a McDonalds bus -stop ad might make you want a Big Mac. Getting arrested for getting an abortion is an imposition. The anti-women laws exist because of the church, they are attacking the source, This is a banner not an imposition. And -uck the church anyway , what’s it to you ?. religious much? It all comes out now.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            Again, you purposefully avoid the hypocrisy. That’s me point, nothing to do with imposing, only their claim of respecting others religious beliefs. They don’t.

            Plse try again

          2. ahjayzis

            Clampers there’s a difference in respecting people’s opinions and respecting their right to have them, you’re being very pedantic in pretending that’s not a thing.

        2. ahjayzis

          I respect your right to believe chickens are sacred.
          It’s is a stupid belief, but it’s yours to have and hold etc.
          I’ll fight you to the last to prevent you making chicken burgers illegal because of your beliefs.


          You can think what you like about abortion, gay marriage or tattoos, just get the F out of my way when I’m trying to get one of them as it’s none of your poxy business ya curtain-twitching nag. Fupp off out of my life like.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            But they didn’t leave them to their beliefs, they climbed up a building, not just a church, but a Cathedral, and disrepected their belief in doing so.

            If, and I’d never have a notion to do this, but if I climbed on top of say… The George and flew a flag down the front of it saying ‘Sodomites are disordered animals ‘…. wouldn’t that be showing disrespect?
            Not according to your logic.

            If I went into a university campus where a ‘safe space’ was created and played Misfits (brilliant) Skulls all the way up to 11, wouldn’t that be disrespectful, even if my only point was just to say, this is nonsense and doesn’t help with trauma and in fact prolongs it.
            Not according to your logic.

          2. Nigel

            So 1. You don’t know the difference between a political slogan and homophobic abuse, 2. you don’t know the difference between the disruption caused by a notably silent banner with a political slogan and a multi-decibel disruption whose dubious and misdirected point has to be tendentiously explained with lots of actuallys and strawmanning. Logic is not an equalizer that flattens all actions and makes them identical in kind or degree.

          3. ahjayzis

            “If, and I’d never have a notion to do this, but if I climbed on top of say… The George and flew a flag down the front of it saying ‘Sodomites are disordered animals ‘…. wouldn’t that be showing disrespect?”

            Yes, but this banner doesn’t read “Catholics must be burnt at the stake”.

            The corollary you’re looking for is if someone climbed the George and unfurled a banner saying something like “Heterosexuals shouldn’t have to by law walk down the aisle to Madonna’s Vogue” – or some other thing the denizens of the George are foisting on the rest of society or preventing them from doing.

            No one’s forcing a catholic to have an abortion, catholics among others are banning them for everyone else.

          4. newsjustin

            “….catholics among others are banning them for everyone else.”

            Catholics among others are, indeed supportive of keeping a prohibition on abortion, just as there is on homicide. Not having an abortion but supporting a law to allow them is like not murdering anyone but supporting your neighbour’s right to murder whomever he likes.

          5. Nigel

            Or it’s like not needing to have your appendix removed but supporting a law preventing appendixes from being removed even in life-threatening situations.

          6. ahjayzis


            If I went into a university campus where a ‘safe space’ was created and played Misfits (brilliant) Skulls all the way up to 11, wouldn’t that be disrespectful, even if my only point was just to say, this is nonsense and doesn’t help with trauma and in fact prolongs it.
            Not according to your logic.

            Again, to be a proper analogue, you’d have to go to that safe-space and hang a banner damning safe-spacers for campaigning to retain the ban on the rest of us not being allowed to have Daaaanger Zooooooones.

            People are in safe spaces of their own volition and free will – they’re neither dragging us in or insisting we all must go to our own, by law. They might want to control what goes on in there, but so long as they stay in there who are we to care?

            A proper comparison might be to hang a banner against no platforming campaigns, and I’d be in favour of that – would you or would you find it as disrespectful as cheekily hanging a pro-abortion banner outside the premises of an arch anti-abortion campaigning group? If this conservative political organisation didn’t double as a religion would you object as much? Pro-democrat banners being waved at the republican convention – is that off limits too? Protest is healthy.

      1. postmanpat

        signs in window . graffiti in town, and as soon as a banner appears on a church the Catholicism spills out . “they’ve gone to far” boo hoo. I say they haven’t gone far enough.

        1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          +1 more of this, it’s great to see a groundswell of activism around this

          1. Eliot Rosewater

            Y’know increased use of the term ‘SJW’ is directly proportional to a weakening of your argument, right? I’m nearly sure I saw a study about this somewhere.

            Anyway, it’s not as if they placed the sign in the cathedral, or even on its grounds, so not sure what all the faux-outrage is about.

            Also, on an aside, that is one seriously grim cathedral.

          2. Clampers Outside!

            Using SJW was easier than typing this pile of activist claptrap in fairness….

            “Díobháil: The Galway Radical Feminist Network. Smashing the heteronormative, patriarchal, white-supremacist, imperialist, ableist capitalist system.”

            It is “on the grounds”….. #facepalm

          3. Eliot Rosewater

            I don’t know, Clampers, there’s a certain point where some of these groups and people using terms like SJW come around full circle. Primarily with regards to the incredible ease at taking offence.

            What makes this even more relevant, though, is that what this group are doing isn’t actually hypocritical. They specifically say (at least they do in the blurb at the top of this page) that they respect ‘personal’ religious beliefs. I’m pretty sure that that doesn’t apply to the RC.

            Regardless of the fact that the sign is positioned on a public signpost, and not actually on RC property.

          4. Eliot Rosewater

            Oh, I see now with regards to the sign, I though it was on a lampost outside the Church.

            The key point is about the group’s statement with regards to ‘personal’ religious beliefs, however.

          5. rotide

            If EVER there was a case for usage of the term SJW , it would be to these snowflakes.

            The Galway Radical Feminist Network. Smashing the heteronormative, patriarchal, white-supremacist, imperialist, ableist capitalist system.

            For gods sake.

          6. Nigel

            Meh. Any hypocrisy involved is fairly negligible. The only disrespect being shown is to the institution of the church and the lingering vestiges of its hold on Irish society. If ever an institution deserved disrespect it’s the Catholic Church. SJW snowflakes have a long way to go to match the hypocrisy of the Church and the disrespect it showed all of us.

          7. Clampers Outside!

            ” Any hypocrisy involved is fairly negligible ”
            ” SJW snowflakes have a long way to go to match the hypocrisy of the Church ”
            How far do you let hypocrisy go before it’s too much? ….even having to ask the questions is stupid….

            Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

          8. Nigel

            All hypocrisy is equal, is it? Sounds more like a convenient fig leaf to justify your loathing of so-called SJWs, which is far more important to you than Repealing the 8th. Which is fair enough. It must wonderfully liberating to shake off the cares of the world and spend your time scutinising people who actually care about stuff and try to make a difference, however misguidedly, for anything and everything that can be labeled hypocrisy and then puff your chest out and roar with outrage. The idea that you can’t judge the relative hypocrisy of this action against the hypocrisy of the church, as if hypocrisy is homeopathic and the tiniest drop is as powerful as a river of it in flood, is really just pious posturing. Simples? Simple-minded.

          9. Nigel

            I mean, if those are the equivalences you are drawing to illustrate various forms of disrespect, then you need to consider why in the face of those examples you seem to think it’s so important to prioritise attacking a perceived hypocrisy related to hanging a banner on a cathedral.

          10. Clampers Outside!

            Jaysus Nigel…. A lie is a lie is a lie…. there are no grades of truth. And this is where you fall down Nigel.

            One rule for them one bendy adjustable ruler for you. Go away with your justification of hypocrisy by putting it on some gradient. You demonstrate this inconsistency here when you say “The idea that you can’t judge the relative hypocrisy of this action against the hypocrisy of the church”.

            You’re basically saying, I can be hypocritical to get what I want because those opposing me were hypocritical. In other words, it’s how the typical revolutionary becomes the oppressor. Look it up, it’s a classic position to take, sadly repeated here.

            PS – your personal digs and assumptions need to be more pointed and less disguised as trying to be firm but not too tough. Just say it, good lad.

          11. Nigel

            ‘You look great in that outfit darling.’
            ‘The Church is taking all measures to ensure that pedophiles are brought to justice and children are protected.’

            A lie is a lie is a lie. No grades of truth. The hypocrisy of the first is a slippery slope to tyranny. Literally the only important or significant thing about both statements is the equal hypocrisy of both.

            ‘PS – your personal digs and assumptions need to be more pointed and less disguised as trying to be firm but not too tough. Just say it, good lad.’

            Sorry, no idea what you’re getting at, or what you think it is I’m getting at, you’re going to have to say it for me.

          12. Clampers Outside!

            Nigel… slow down, take a breath, and remember, I can’t read the stuff you might think you typed in that last post…. in such a hurry.

            In other words, you be talkin’ gobbldeegoo lad.

          13. Nigel

            Perceived, inflated, overnflated, hyperinflated, kaboom! – at this point it’s one step from a banner on a cathedral to the gulags with only Clampers standing athwart the rail tracks crying ‘Snowflakes!’

          14. Clampers Outside!

            Whatever Nigel….. never known anyone on here to so blatantly say… in not so many words….

            It’s OK for them to do X bad thing, but not those others because I have opposing views to those others.

          15. Nigel

            Seriously say what? Feel like I’m being impugned here by some sort of implication.

            As for the rest, if all bad things were equal jaywalking would get the same prison sentence as murder. To act like a grown-up who is aware of this and exercise judgement accordingly is not to excuse either.

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      That would only work if they were go around forcing women to have abortions

      1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

        Nope. I’m pro abortion, but still think this is dickish.
        A bit of respect for others never goes astray.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            I believe Andyourpointiswhatexactly? is speaking of the hypocrisy of Díobháil who claim to respect peoples religious beliefs… when clearly they don’t.

            It’s the hypocrisy of their claims and their actions that make them muppets.

          2. ahjayzis

            I’m gonna repeat it as much as you do.

            Respecting the right to HOLD any opinion.

            Does NOT.

            Require you to respect *THAT* actual opinion.

            I deplore parents paying men to take a knife to their little boy’s penis – I respect that that is a Judaic and Islamic tenet. These are not hypocritical positions.

          3. rotide

            You can think what you like about circumcision just get the F out of my way when I’m trying to get one of them for my son as it’s none of your poxy business ya curtain-twitching nag. Fupp off out of my life like.

            As a wise man once said.

          4. ahjayzis


            Although I’d support a criminal ban on mutilating anyone’s genitals or other part of their body against their will, it doesn’t mean I don’t respect their right to hold a baseless, primitive superstition about foreskins.

            I’d ban both male and female genital mutilation in the morning.

          5. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

            Firstly, I’m not a dude.
            Secondly, I am talking about respecting the beliefs of people you don’t agree with, as Clampers says. Basic manners, even if they’re not afforded to you by those you’re interacting with.
            I’ve got class comin’ outta me ass, boy.

  4. Joe Small

    That’s ridiculous. Where’s the respect for differing views? Is it okay for the editorial board of Alive to drape banners about sodomy on GLEN HQ now? Quite ignorant.
    This isn’t how you conduct a grown-up conversation about the need to change abortion law in Ireland.

    1. postmanpat

      Yes of course we need to keep things nice and polite and more importantly keep progress moving very very very very slowly. Because priest talk to people like “grown ups” and don’t infantilize anyone. See you in mass on Sunday.

      1. Holden MaGroin

        Where do you draw the line though Pat? Granted Hanging a fleg isn’t the same as attacking someone but slippery slopes and all that.

    2. Well

      Maybe we should follow the prolife modus operandi and report Cora Sherlocks face to County councils for appearing on TV and radio almost daily.

  5. jackson

    all the holy institutes have these bizarre names, Cathedral of Our Lady Assumed into Heaven?

    whats that shit meant to mean? just fearful paranoid holy, living life in servitude based on nonsense from the dark ages

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      They should do a comic strip where Our Lady has a new adventure each week

      – Our Lady rides a boke
      – Our Lady does yoga
      – Our Lady takes some yokes at a festival, ends up in a tent makking the face off Tiny Ste

    2. rotide

      Yes because “Speaking of Imelda” makes perfect sense.

      Any excuse to score the cheap points eh?

    3. newsjustin

      “What’s that poo meant to mean?”

      You may want to open a book jackson. Or just use Google.

      Laughing at something and then telling us you don’t know what it means makes you seem a bit ignorant.

        1. newsjustin

          In real life too I find people who snigger and laugh at something that they don’t understand and haven’t taken the time to inform themselves on, to be awful eejits. Best avoided.

      1. newsjustin

        My theory is neither here-nor-there. Jackson didn’t know why the cathedral was named.

        The cathedral is named to honour Our Lady Assumed into Heaven and St Nicholas.

        The idea of Our Lady Assumed into Heaven is the belief that Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ was, at the end of her life on earth, transported, body and soul, into heaven. The St Nicholas element refers to the 4th Century Greek/Asia Minor saint who has long been associated with churches in Galway. He’s the patron saint of seafarers and Galway is a port city.

        Now, this information may be historical trivia or articles of belief, it really doesn’t matter. But it explains why the cathedral in Galway is named as it is.

        1. Caroline

          My question was for Jackson.

          Don’t like to pull rank, I mean you told the story really nice and all, but, y’know, ex-Legion of Mary here so, what can I say… I totally got this.

          1. newsjustin

            Ah right. Well jackson didn’t know.

            I’m entirely self thought when it comes to catholic trivia.

  6. Murtles

    But….but…..Jess and Tadgh have been happily married for 3 years and this is their first baby and they’re looking forward to it. Why would she want access to abortion? I’m all for “Repeal the 8th” but lets not get silly people with random graffiti.

    1. postmanpat

      “Jess was arrested trying to travel and get an abortion , that was 7 months ago now the doctors say baby isn’t compatible with life and she might also die in childbirth. Jess is going through hell. SO GET THE **** of your SEAT and let her sit , you selfish commuter scum.” #standforjess

      1. rotide

        The Court was told that the baby could die or have severe brain damage and the mother would be at serious risk of haemorrhage if the procedure were not carried out. It was later reported that when the case was called, the woman reconsidered and consented to the procedure. This is the second instance in which a caesarean section refusal has been reported in the media in Ireland. In 2010, it was reported that a woman refused a caesarean section in order to await a High Court ruling about whether her baby should be administered treatment for HIV on its birth, to which she refused consent.

        It seems that in this case the 8th is actually doing a good job in saving morons and their offspring from themselves?

          1. rotide

            Really Don?

            People who don’t drink are boring no-craic losers yeah?

            That must explain why women are good for nothing but cooking and babies.

          2. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Ah being called out by rotide, curmudgeon of BS. What a day!

          3. Holden MaGroin

            You are also being a douche to Clampers, one of the soundest people on here.

          4. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Yeah, Clampers called my husband a rapist while on one of his anti-feminist/SJW rants so he can do one

          5. Clampers Outside!

            Don likes to claim this.

            I never did such a thing only pointed out her hypocritical stance on support for dodgy research and the application of that research in the real world.

          6. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            It’s almost like if you get multiple comments about the same thing, you might want to listen… it’s almost like if you are completely out of line by say, deliberately questioning statistics to further your own agenda and end up implying someone’s husband was a rapist (lord, that man is fupping fantastic person and I just cannot with nonsense like that), you might see that and be a bigger person about it, see a wrong and apologise. Instead, just like Trump does, you go on the defense and double down, claiming that isn’t what you said at all.

            You may have your issues but when you start taking those out on my family, well I don’t what to get all mafia-like but given what I’ve had happen in my life, which I chose not to bring here, no that simply does not fly with me. I don’t care if you are a rando on the internet or a person in the street.

          7. Clampers Outside!

            Don, I cannot apologise for someone else’s interpretation. I’d love to, but if you are going to hold up a piece of research that says a woman is considered raped after having a drink and then consensual sex, then you must hold that line true in the real world.
            Otherwise… you’re touting one idea and doing the opposite, that’s all I’ve pointed out.

            Do you still believe and support the study that claims the ‘1 in 5’ figure? …maybe you’ve changed your mind, I dunno.

          8. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Cool. Well, if you’re going to cling to the fact you’re “just asking the hard questions” rather than taking on board anything I just said, then I definitely change my mind about you. You are not nice.

            I’ll leave you to it.

          9. Caroline

            Where is this famous study that classifies rape as consensual sex after one alcoholic drink?

          10. Caroline

            Because if there is such a study, it would be outrageous. And if people failed to acknowledge that, I could see how it might be tempting to use that completely spurious definition of rape as the basis for a rhetorical argument about someone’s husband. That would make sense to me.

            So let’s see it.

          11. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Who knows? Apparently I agree with, and fully support, it though, even though I’ve never read it *shrugs*

          12. Caroline

            In fairness to Clampers I’m sure he knows which one he was referring to and why, given how emphatic he’s been in condemning it.

          13. Caroline

            Sorry, I see your reply now.

            Where does the study classify consensual sex after drinking alcohol as rape?

          14. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Clampers, tell me your related nonsense about this isn’t because you are interpreting sexual assault following “incapacitation” from alcohol or drugs as the same as having one drink? Because the former is what that study asked about and that is a validated measure of sexual assault. You would have had a point with the response (though with a sample size that large maybe not).

          15. Clampers Outside!

            Apologies for the late reply… and sorry, that’s the other bogus ‘1 in 5’ research. There is more than one, my issue has been with the fraudulent sexist claims in the one above and the research below – below is the one in which the ‘drink’ question is explored.

            When these reports came out, there was so much talk of ‘look, see, this confirms the earlier report’, when in fact both (and others) are ridiculously flawed pieces of research. So, apologies for the confusion on selecting the wrong bad research earlier… can ya blame me in all fairness….

            Anyway, here’s the second big bogus sexist research….

          16. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            A video is not a study. Please give me the reference for the study that says that women have been categorised as sexually assaulted when they have had one drink.

          17. Clampers Outside!

            Stop being a dick Don, she discusses how the questions are handled in the study and how, even single drink taken participants in the study were classed as having been raped.

            I see now also, that you never even read the ‘ 1 in 5 ‘ study yet you were more than willing to support it.

            WTF? >_<

            On that tid-bit of information. I am now withdrawing myself from this discussion. If I had known you never even looked at it, I wouldn't have engaged you in this.
            Next time you show support for research, please check it's credibility first, that's all I'm asking that people do.

            Have a nice weekend.

          18. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            A video of some crank is not a study. Please supply a study.

            Not sure how I can read a study that is as video anyway. So basically, what you claim, doesn’t exist. Hilarious that this is the basis for your shocking expose of feminism. I never said I supported anything, you said i did after I made a joke Ffs. But since you seem to have a fanciful way with any facts re this subject, why am I not surprised you think this is what happened.

            Your bias is showing you up to be pathetic.

          19. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            The AEI? Yes, cranks. Right wing, oil funded cranks.

            You claim feminists are brainwashed. At least I’ve never claimed a video is a peer-reviewed study! Hahahahaha!!

          20. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            It’s nothing to do with feminism. You were asked for the facts. You posted a video. You don’t have any evidence to support your one drink claim except one woman’s YouTube video. Facepalm indeed! Lol!!

            I’ll let you”withdraw” now I’ve had my fun.

    1. Nigel

      An anti-abortion van outside a rape advice centre is loutish This is mischievous at best. They didn’t even use bad language.

  7. Joe Small

    Sad to see some people happy to trespass and defile a cathedral to make a point the rest of us and trying to do in a reasoned manner. Do they really think this is going to change anyone’s mind or just piss people off.

    That utter nonsense about St. Brigid being the first abortionist is up there with St. Patrick driving away all the snakes and the leprechaun’s crock of gold.

    If we’re going to repeal the eighth amendment, we’re not going to helped by these idiots.

      1. Holden MaGroin

        Ah yes let’s stoop to their level.

        And if your friends jumped off a cathedral roof would you jump too?

    1. Jess

      Its fairly obvious that the St Brighid story is not true, but that doesn’t matter. The point is her haigeographer, cogitosus, writing in the 7th century recorded her termination of an unwanted pregnancy as a miracle. The same goes for the 10th century lives of Irish saints that records similar abortion miracles for St Ciaran, St Aed and St Cainnach.

      It shows that the church’s anti-abortion stance was not always thus. Its just a dig at the church who like to portray themselves as moral arbiter on an unchanging moral certitude.

  8. some old queen

    The one thing about the Yes people in the marriage referendum was that they kept their cool and at times that wasn’t easy. They treated the opposing side with respect and despite plenty of goading held calm and civilised debates. Learn from this please.

    Just like vandalising private property, sticking posters outside a church serves no purpose apart from making those who done it feel good about themselves. Catch yourself on lads. If you are half as intelligent as you think you are then go figure out ways that will make you point without causing this sort of offence.

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      True but then there is space for multiple forms of activism. Sometimes you have to try everything to find out what works.

        1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          Ah come on. It is a pretty big thing to be “outraged” out.

          1. rotide

            “The Galway Radical Feminist Network. Smashing the heteronormative, patriarchal, white-supremacist, imperialist, ableist capitalist system.”

            They’re trying everything, seeing what works.

          2. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            And? I don’t see a problem with that. Think what you want about identity politics but surely it makes sense for minorities to stick together given they face similar barriers etc.

    2. postmanpat

      Abortion is a very different issue than gay marriage Old Queen. It calls for a very different approach.

        1. postmanpat

          One is about two people of same sex who love each other, being allowed equal legal status as heterosexual spouses. Even the mass going grannies in large part didn’t see the harm. There were out of the closet gays in practically every family and the sky didn’t fall. It made cold economic sense too. It was a win before the first ballot was even cast. Only an a$$hole would vote against it (Mullingar). It also …I don’t know .. had a referendum to begin with. When is the apportion referendum? we are calling for it and calling for it and not being given a chance to vote, that’s the difference . being ignored by the government , a true pro-choice voter would never be put off voting to repeal apportion laws even if every church was vandalized. this cathedral thing doesn’t hurt the cause , it helps it. I hope to see much more of this kind of thing , so that even state-run angelus RTE cant ignore it.

          1. J

            That describes a difference in approach rather than subject.The abortion question is a tad more nuanced , given the complexity in determining what rights can be assigned to the unborn and the inability of the unborn to invoke any rights. I am pro-choice , but the militance of some of the #repealtheeighth with their censorship of anyone who disagrees with their views is positively nauseating. The jumpers, the cakes , the lovehearts , the kneejerk hissy fits all serve to undermine what should be a serious debate about a serious issue. All they are missing is a little pink van, an effigy of Joan of Arc and a big fat selfie stick.

          2. some old queen

            Ok tnx you for your response. A few points.

            It was because of Labour that the marriage ref. happened and the same would be for the 8th if they were still in government. Rest assured that neither FF nor FG would have allowed marriage through if it they were on their own. So that means an extra hurdle this time around but I am pretty certain the approach should be the same.

            But so far this campaign, if you can call it that comes across as being hostile if not downright aggressive which is exactly what the pro life want. People are already uneasy with the topic in the first place and handing ammunition to the opposition with actions like this is just plain daft.

            Marriage was won on personal stories. I am not asking that people go public on this issue but there are other ways of getting those stories out there. Look at Wallace’s namaleaks website for example. Where there is a will there is a way but it definitely should not include annoying old people going to mass.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            There’s a baby/fetus in this debate, and death, which in my opinion, makes it different in approach to a debate about the coupling of two adults. It’s just an opinion.

    3. edalicious


      I’d be worried that something like this would be more likely to sway some fence sitters the wrong way

  9. postmanpat

    Well that’s the thing Joe Small , you don’t sound like you support appealing the 8th. you sound like a god fearing , mass going good little catholic boy. Only a true believer would consider a banner hanging from a cathedral (that can be cut down at any time) as defilement. Spray-paint sure. a banner . defilement? really Joe. don’t get your rosary’s in a twist. I’m calling you out sir, as a pro-lifer , you know you are and your not fooling anybody.

    1. mildred st. meadowlark

      You’re using sweeping generalisations to set up a Church vs abortion thing, which is not useful and only stirs up anger on both sides of the abortion argument. Not every Catholic is against abortion, not every atheist is supports abortion. Your argument is too simplistic and comes across as shrill finger-pointing. There is nothing wrong with respecting the beliefs of others , and the sanctity of their places of worship, regardless of your own personal beliefs.

      1. postmanpat

        Be he IS a pro lifer . I can tell, He cant even come out and deny it. come on Joe. I’m waiting, coward

          1. postmanpat

            really? I don’t see Joe Small coming back to deny it. he clams the banner hurts “our” repeal the 8th cause , but he isn’t part of the cause. He would vote against it in a referendum because of his baked in catholic guilt.

  10. Neilo

    Incidentally and entirely á propos of nothing, ‘rosaries off our ovaries’ sound like the worst ben wa balls ever.

    1. postmanpat

      Jesus. your posts have become an incoherent stream of consciousness. You must write for ALIVE.

      1. Neilo

        I don’t think Jesus writes for ALIVE. I think of Him more as the publication’s ‘inspo’* rather than its editor.

        *an odd abreviation I picked up from the fashion mags

  11. Neilo

    *Fidgets uncontrollably in seat* Not from this perspective – spherical but quite pointy in parts! :)

  12. Nigel

    Exactly. Repealing the 8th isn’t anywhere near as important as not catching germs off people on the same side you don’t really like.

  13. Holden MaGroin

    I think this is just going to piss people off and make the pro-abortion side look desperate and incapable of arguing their point properly.

    Actually, maybe they are desperate.

  14. nellyb

    The Land War was fought exclusively with cakes, tea and kiss-goodbyes. And it was totally adult and mature, marvelously considerate and profusely apologetic. Vox populi vox dei, Díobháil – hire style consultant and grow up!

  15. Joe Small

    There’s definitely a divide in the comments section. Pretty much everyone here is pro-Choice but I think some of the younger posters have zero tolerance for any views other than their own whereas those of us who remember the bitterness of the ’83 vote would rather something more civilized next time around.

    1. postmanpat

      and you will vote against the repeal because you are pro life. Your a pro lifer pretending to be some concerned repel activist criticizing these activists methods. your a phony. you are so religious that you cant even type the words “I am pro choice”. Tell we what side your on. I’m pro choice. What are you Joe Small? You snake.

        1. postmanpat

          Oh I wish I had, but I don’t live anywhere near Galway. I also couldn’t hang around with gaeilgeoirs cos I find them a bit too much. But I support their repeal campaign wholeheartedly. Please hang more signs !!!

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