Meanwhile, At The Children’s Court

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This morning.

The Children’s Court, Smithfield, Dublin 7.

A protest gathers ahead of the trial of a 17-year-old for ”false imprisonment’ during a sit down demonstration in Jobstown, Tallaght, Dublin in November 2014. Former Tanaiste Joan Burton is listed as a witness for the prosecution.

Friday: Paul Murphy TD: Will You Get Behind Us?

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44 thoughts on “Meanwhile, At The Children’s Court

  1. Rob_G

    Whatever about the validity or otherwise of the ‘false imprisonment’ charges, the attempt to bring political pressure to bear on the judiciary to not prosecute is very worrying…

  2. Mourinho

    Whatever about political pressure on the judiciary to not prosecute, the attempt to outlaw peaceful protest is very worrying.

    1. Walter-Ego

      Well said. Joan seems to forgot, that her Labour party had a similar sit down protest in Shannon to protest the use of Shannon airport by the US Military.

    2. Rob_G

      “Peaceful protest” does not necessarily mean it is legal. A sit-down protest is peaceful, but may result in you getting arrested.

      Forcibly preventing someone from going about their daily business, while not violent, is most certainly illegal.

      1. Sam

        There’s a difference between obstructing traffic and false imprisonment.
        You may want to read the Public Order Act, and compare it to the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act.

        They could have arrested the teenager at the time, for wilful obstruction, failure to obey the instructions of the Gardaí, and prosecuted him in the district court.

        Instead, they decided to go heavy handed with dawn raids, and a charge which carries a life sentence.

          1. Sam

            Non Fatal Offences Against the Person Act 1997

            15(3)(b)

            (3) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—

            (b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

          2. Sam

            I didn’t say it was going to happen. It’s the maximum penalty.

            This defendant could have gone before a jury trial, and I doubt a jury would have even returned a guilty verdict, considering how improper the charge is, considering the circumstances.

            But in a judge only court, a guilty verdict is more likely. That then lays out a marker for the adults in the later trials.

    3. Harry Molloy

      Thousands attended a peaceful protest in the streets of Dublin on Saturday, as they have many times before.

      You’ll see some form of peaceful protest most days outside government buildings.

      You don’t need me to spell out the difference.

  3. DubLoony

    Why is the charge in inverted commas?
    I feel sorry for the young man involved but it was not a peaceful protest.
    As for the appeal for €2K bail – why isn’t Murphy ponying up the dough? He led them on and has plenty of cash.

    Murphy, a politician, trying to influence the independence of the judiciary. That is not acceptable.

    1. Sam

      Murphy, a politician, trying to influence the independence of the judiciary.

      Where’s he doing that? The DPP isn’t the judiciary, and neither is Joan Burton. He’s not asking the Judge to drop the charges is he?

        1. Sam

          Yes it does. You’ve passed the reading comprehension part of the test. Now for the logic question.

          In a trial, the prosecutor can drop charges, or the complainant withdraw them.
          The judge cannot drop charges.

          The phrase ‘drop the charges’ is aimed at
          (a) the judiciary
          or
          (b) the DPP and Joan Burton ?

          1. Sam

            Google can help you find many, many inaccurate headlines.

            The judge can strike out charges, not drop them. Only the parties bringing the complaints can drop them.

    2. Kieran NYC

      Murphy couldn’t pay the bail – he’s too busying playing the poormouth so he can get himself free legal aid.

  4. Sophie

    This is about far more than Jobstown and the Labour Party, this is about a child’s right to protest at injustice. It is about injustice, making an example of a child to try to deny people’s right to protest. It’s about showing that Ireland is a divided country where rich want the ordinary people to put up and shut up. This is about a child’s life and his future. I’m not from Tallaght (I’m a Northsider) but I’m asking anyone who reads this to join the rallying call fighting this injustice

    1. Paps

      This “Child” can just seek for Spent convictions in a few years, the only way it could affect his “life and future” is if he plans on traveling to America.

      The court will decide on the outcome of the trial, if he’s found guilty he knew what he was doing and should have thought of the consequences.

  5. forfeckssake

    Joan Burton is pressing charges against a 17 year old for blocking her car. This is the calibre of person she is.

      1. Sam

        They a trying a teenager on charges of false imprisonment, when the Public Order Act was the appropriate response. That is an abuse of the legal system, and it is political interference.

        1. Rob_G

          Who elected to bring these false imprisonment charges? Am fairly certain that it was the DPP, and not Joan Burton. The ‘political interference’ is all coming from one direction.

          1. Rob_G

            Yes, I do.

            And even if the charges were politically motivated (which I don’t believe to be the case), the defendants will be tried before a jury of their peers, who will be politically independent (well, as politically independent as anyone can be).

  6. some old queen

    What this kid done may have been illegal but hardly the crime of the century either. It looks like a political witch hunt so of course Murphy is going to make capital out of it, especially as FF have now said that water charges are gone.

      1. some old queen

        Murphy getting banged up would be a great career move. He can present himself as an anti establishment martyr on a topic which already has populist support.

        No matter how this pans out, the real losers here are Labour.

        1. Rob_G

          “Murphy getting banged up would be a great career move.”

          +1, I’d say he is nearly sick with glee at what it would do for his electoral chances.

  7. bsteve knievel

    Murph wants to be locked up. it will be the making of him. what happened in Jobstown was thuggery not political protest.

  8. Daisy Chainsaw

    If Ms Burton is delayed this time around because of protests, can we expect another round of dawn arrests and false false imprisonment charges?

  9. Joxer

    this is nothing but spite from the establishment and the right wingers. the funny thing is that a couple of weeks later there was a protest of farmers outside a factory down the country somewhere, that stopped workers going about their lawful business , in fact not allowing them leave the premises…..isnt that imprisonment? Are the protesters from that event not up in court? Make no mistake this is spite from Labour and the establishment.

    the message is clear….get back in your boxes you working class filth….

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      Farmers’ protests are held to a whole other standard. They damaged property, assaulted and intimidated staff in Wexford Dept of Agriculture a few years back and got away with it. Meanwhile, students at dept of Education got baton charged and Jobstown got dawn raids and court.

  10. Eoin

    This is like putting a plaster on an ebola rupture. I think that FG, FF and Labour have no idea of the anger out there. And making an example of this 17 year old is not a good idea. It won’t stop the protests and it won’t stop the anger and won’t fix anything. And people are looking for martyrs. And many are at their limits already. There were 80k people, from all over, out protesting on the streets of Dublin the other day and they’re probably all wondering where the coverage is? Now they’ll all go home, even more galvanised, and grow in number. So that’s yet more anger building. I’m afraid we will see actual violent protests if the establishment keeps ignoring the issues. Isn’t that how it always goes? And it won’t be water balloons being flung.

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