From top: Taoiseach Enda Kenny addresses the all-island forum on Brexit; Michaél Martin
This morning.
Royal Hospital, Kilmainham, Dublin 8.
At the all-island forum on Brexit.
Fianna Fáil leader Micheal Martin criticised UK ministers for pushing a “crude and chaotic” Brexit agenda.
Urging Ireland to attempt to soften the UK’s exit from the EU, he said June’s “divisive and damaging” referendum result had profound short, medium and long-term implications for Ireland.
“Our agenda is the clear one of wanting to minimise the damage and division of Brexit and to maximise progress for all parts of this island,” he told the forum.
“Let’s explore radical ways of softening Brexit, but we also have to talk about the crude and chaotic Brexit which some in the London cabinet appear to be advocating.
“Unlike the Foreign Secretary (Boris Johnston), we don’t have the luxury of being pro-having the cake and eating it.”
Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams said the forum should “not be about a hard Brexit or a soft Brexit. It needs to be about moving beyond the consequences of Brexit and looking at alternatives”.
Fight!
Brexit poses significant challenge for Ireland – Kenny (RTÉ)
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Update:
Gerry Adams (top) and Simon Coveney (above) at the all-island forum on Brexit.
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Ireland has a very easy solution to a complex issue, get onside with the UK and make a deal that is beneficial to the Irish people and screw what europe wants.
We are European not British.
Last time I checked I was Irish…let me just check again….yep, Irish. Funny how no comment supports the view of ‘make a deal that is beneficial to the Irish people’
Europa über alles in der Welt
Your idea of Heaven is a nation of white fat taxi drivers, all moaning their holes off at every opportunity because they’re too lazy to do anything productive.
Whose this ‘We’ ? you know most Irish people have more of a connection to the UK than any other ‘European’ country.
I feeeel so connected to Belgium cause europe.
I have little or no connection with the UK. I have no family or friends there. I have family in mainland Europe and visit mainland Europe several times a year. Most of my travel is Italy, Germany and Spain.
Historically, Ireland traded with Spain and France more than with Britain and our culture and language has more in common with mainland Europe.
I am European first, Irish second.
That’s so cringe …….
I am Irish first, European second. Like you, I have nothing to do with the UK. I much prefer the Continent.
I am Irish first, European second.
I like the UK & I even lived there briefly but I’d put the UK about mid-rank in terms of my personal connection to various EU countries.
That is nowhere near an easy solution. The UK doesn’t even know if survival outside the EU is possible.
It happened before, it’ll happen again.
Lets see now, how has Britain fared before? 1960s were a high point but other than that, war, depression and economic chaos.
1900 – British Empire, children as chimney sweeps
WWI – start of the end of Empire, mass death.
1920s/30s – depression/slums
WWII – Blitz / Finest hour etc
1950s – austerity, rebuild, end of rationing.
1960s – great music, full employment
1970s Basket case, IMF bail out
Joins EEC
I agree with your comment (when will Broadsheet get a ‘Like’ button!!)
Has the Brexit lot not learned from the Scotish referendem? Short memories? They were the ones shouting “We’re better together don’t leave!” Yet on the other hand saying “Oh Scotland it is a crippling cost to our economy”. They were blaming Alex Sammond for not having any plans made, such as healthcare, currency. Et cetera!
SNP had done so much more planning than the English nationalists have.
It really annoys me how these career Eurosceptics seemed not to have given more than 5minutes thought to what achieving their dream might actually mean.
Because everything about the way the British are handling Brexit inspires so much confidence.
The reality is Ireland made its choice when the French midget Sarkozy ass-whupped the Paddies into holding a second vote on the Lisbon Treaty to get it right.
Thereafter – and the bail-out didn’t help either – Ireland simply became Merkel’s lapdog to do her bidding.
Britain will get a Brexit deal and immediately free itself of the constraints of a failing EU who by then will be dealing with its next crisis,whether its the euro or another bailout of Greece or Italy’s banks.
Kenny is a canny operator – he knows keeping on the right side of the British will ultimately be in Ireland’s best interests.Our friends on the mainland have bailed us out before and I’ve not doubt they’ll do it again.
I just hope Paddy shows a bit more gratitude next time.
“when the French midget Sarkozy ass-whupped the Paddies into holding a second vote on the Lisbon Treaty to get it right.”
This is an oft-repeated canard that displays a profound lack of understanding of how the EU works.
Every other country in the EU ratified the Lisbon treaty; the Irish electorate, having reservations about the treaty, rejected it.
The treaty was changed in order to accommodate us, and this reformulated was then put to the Irish electorate, who then endorsed it.
“Our friends on the mainland”
– I take it that this refers to our friends in continental Europe?
“Crude and Chaotic” – a very accurate description of our Government, and politics and public administration in this country.
I have often agreed.
However, having watched the UK over the last few years – silly referendum framing (ignoring the reasons for callign it), the pathetic, ill-informed embarrassment of a referendum debate and subsequent farce I have begun to realise that our slower, more parochial, less ideological system of politics has something to be said for it after all.
May is deliberately making Brexit look chaotic in order to promote a second referendum on the issue.
Unfortunately, I think you’re overestimating her strategic nous.
She made Boris the Foreign Minister. She at least has a wicked sense of humour.
I agree. That is exactly what she’s doing. the democratic will of the majority will be ignore eventually.
The EU will lurch in to another crisis soon enough anyway. Italy have a referendum in early December. That the govt. look like losing. It’s not a referndum on EU membership but it will cause an election if it’s lost.
Britain is better off out. The sneering,anti-democracy moaning from those opposed to Brexit shows them up for what they are.
It’s not sneering anti democracy anymore than those who voted out are Nazis. It’s a pretty big schism between those who feel culturally British and those who feel culturally European. I know people who feel unseated in the UK now because their identity as Europeans has been removed. i know people who feel immense pride at restoring British pride. How you remedy that now I have no idea but suspect it will be more influential politically for some time rather than Tories vs labour.
Is that a generational thing as well?
Older people wanting Britain back while younger people take living, working, studying, traveling and getting together with Europeans as their normal.
A bit. You have to remember for some young folk that’s been their reality and expectation for their whole lives and it’s a shock to have it taken away. It’s almost the definition of identity politics. Some older folk voted remain because of how young people view their place in the world and didn’t feel they could take that away.
Others said let’s torch the place and that’s contributed to some tension between the young and the old, esp baby boomers who are seen as having the benefits younger people are losing and the benefits of the EU with none the hardship (expensive housing etc).
It’s an interesting time.
“Is that a generational thing as well?”
– most probably. Which makes it all the more frustrating that these pro-Remain young people didn’t bother their @rses to vote when the referendum came around.
@rob – the youth turn out was about two thirds, which is pretty standard for voting overall. Almost older people voted, so if anything they tipped it.
huh – colour me corrected.
“90% of over-65s voted” – yikes, hard to compete against that.
One of the most sickening thing was older Irish people who had moved to the UK in the 50s voting against ‘immigrants’
People really are just selfish Trumps sometimes
It’s pretty impressive given the changes to voting registrations as well. Old people eh?
I might have got on board with that idea the day after she got in, but then she mooted bringing back grammar schools and I realised she hasn’t a fupping breeze of what she’s doing.
Still, it’s given Corbyn something shiny to fuss over. She could be an evil mastermind, I just doubt it.
Politicians taking over another museum. They should find a more appropriate venue.
Maybe they want to be admitted to the dinasaur section.
2/10
Brexit also poses a significant opportunity. I wish the cowards would start to do what the Spanish are doing and advertising around the London City advertising how that is where they should be relocating all their business. At the moment the rest of Europe is hovering up companies fleeing Britain while Ireland wrings it’s wrists with politicians acting like a bunch of spineless cowards.
City types won’t relocate here to any great extent – insufficient number of bijou residences and private schools for their liking. Occasionally chaotic infrastructure also a deterrent. Amsterdam/Frankfurt/Paris are more likely destinations.
The main attractions for them coming to Ireland surely is the corporation tax and also there are no language barriers. So coming from U.K to Ireland, is an obvious choice. Many bankers commute from Ireland to U.K office from Monday morning to Thursday nights. Flight is only hour to hour and half.
Partly true. We have golf clubs though. Freaking loads of them. More than everywhere else on the list.
Yes! Lets diversify our economy by increasing our dependence on FDI.
No company has left yet and they won’t until Ruth get the fallout gets too bad or article 50 is triggered. And even then, given what’s happened with Nissan, I would imagine they get a sweet little deal as well. So in the end, nothing changes.
I don’t know who Ruth is….
Dublin has no skyscrapers and no apartments for them
It’s also a miserable dump with a street drug epidemic.
I can just imagine a City exec wanting to give up his Knightsbridge home for that.
Yes I agree. The coke is shit here.
Yes I agree. The Azelastime hydcrochoride / fluticasone proplonate is shit here.
It’s actually excellent as long as you don’t buy off ejits. I get my stuff checked for purity. always around low 80% mark.
Even if you aren’t connected you can buy excellent quality from many of the dark web sites.
I was joking. Never used the stuff. God’s way of separating fools from their money etc.
And never use dark web either as it is a really stupid thing to do unless you have a second separate (clean) PC for it.
I agree wholeheartedly. It could be a win/win strategy:
1) if they follow through with Brexit, we could attract a lot of new business to Ireland
2) on the other hand, attracting the business, or even looking for it, might make the English (and Welsh) wake up to the economic realities of Brexit, and force another referendum.
Common law, English language, same time zone, small but exisiting financial industry already.
There are lots of reasons why financial (and other) operations might move to Ireland.
Even if infrastructure & our smaller state (less likely to be able to bail out large banks) is a deterrent.
Kenny clapping Martin as Martin gives a lesson on public speaking to him.
You mean the same Micheal Martin who sat in the cabinet that brought the IMF to our door, guaranteed the banks and set up NAMA? That guy?
Good point! FF should not be allowed near any talks on Financial stability, give Michael Martin the box of Monopoly and let him play out the back with the rest of the Gombeens in suits
a curse on all civilwarshirts
The same, yes.
I still have no idea what any of them mean when they say Brexit. There is at least half a dozen ways for Britain to leave Europe.
There must be fifty ways to leave your Union:
Just show us the way, May,
Slip out the doras, Boris,
Through the garage, Farage,
And get yourself into economic and political freefall.
V. good!
This will be interesting to watch. Irish politicians will be attempting to “plan” more than 4 years into the future!! This is virgin territory people.
More like 4 months. Article 50 could be triggered by March.
Enda has more of a plan than Teresa May, and that is saying something.
IDA has been wooing companies in London, along with France, Germany & Spain.
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/companies/brexit-ida-ireland-inward-investment
So Meehole and Jurrryyy are on the Brexit thing.
I feel so reassured.
Leave EU
Apply to be 51st US State
Ask President Trump to cut all ties with UK
????
Profit
Dipped in an out of the hearings earlier, actual facts being discussed. A pleasant change.
Why is Gerry Adams featured? SF campainged agaisnt every single referendum on Europe.
They had no real campaign on Brexit in NI.
Nice to hear from other northern civic society voices.
“Why is Gerry Adams featured?”
It’s because of a thing called Democracy.
Couldn’t resist a side kick there DubLoony eh? :-)
He’s a TD, leader of a party who are actively anti-EU despite getting millions in cash for peace funds from Europe.
and yeah, any time I can, I have zero time for Teddy Bear hugging Adams.
“I have zero time for Teddy Bear hugging Adams.”
So you’re not going to be objective when it comes to Sinn Féin then.
SF have a mandate and so have a right to be there. And they are Pro EU so that line you’re peddling is way off.
They opposed Maastrict, Amsterdam, Nice, Lisbon & the Fiscal Compact.
Basically your Sinn Fein friends have opposed every single treaty that there has been a Irish referendum on.
But don’t let that stop your lies.
And were absolutely correct to do so, as time and events have proved.
Why would I be objective? I’m not a reporter or trying to be.
“Why is Gerry Adams featured? SF campainged agaisnt every single referendum on Europe.
They had no real campaign on Brexit in NI.”
> “Sinn Fein ‘campaigning vigorously’ for Remain vote in referendum”
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/sinn-fein-campaigning-vigorously-for-remain-vote-in-referendum-34770636.html
???
Profit
Was in Derry 2 weeks before vote, no evidence of anyone campaigning there, either for or against.
Mainly because that would mean Derry actually doing something to generate work other than passive aggression against the NI version of the Plymouth Brethren (UK) cult?
Perhaps hold workshops in South Armagh as how to avoid tax etc? It would look great if Trump wins.
if kenny and noonan were to be honest, theyre licking their lips at all this. for a start, its not detrimental to our economy, quite the opposite, theres a huge opportunity to cash in on it. but thats not why kenny and noonan are licking their lips. sure they wouldnt know how to go about capitalising on this in the first place, as proven with their abysmal track record in power so far. all they know how to do is take from the poor and give to the rich. now, what they are loving about it is, they get to blame this boogeyman, brexit, the broad general term that it is.. on whatever they wish .. rubbish budget? its because of brexit. and even tho britain havent even left yet, they’ve already been using brexit as an excuse, so theyll get to use it for the next few budgets more than likely.