Judith Goldberger writes:

I see Airbnb is offering ‘free’ housing to people stranded by immigration order in the US.
Could they not they have done the same for homeless in Dublin? Airbnb is playing a role in eliminating the number of units available to everyone not well off whether they are homeless or want to buy….


Airbnb offers free housing to people stranded by immigration order (TechCrunch)

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  1. Daddy

    I know three people who rent out small houses to AirBNB in very rent friendly locations in Dublin. They all live outside Dublin having moved when their families grew. So that’s three house which could be rented long term to people living and working in the city centre but are instead rented out to City Breakers coming over for a cliche packed gawk around at the usual spots.

    That’s not how a healthy thriving city should work. But greedy individualists don’t care about the society which supports them.

    1. Barry the Hatchet

      Do they actually make more money on Airbnb than they would renting properly? I’d love to hear from someone who has experience of it. Rents are so batshit crazy at the moment that I just can’t understand how it’s more lucrative to put a place on Airbnb. I guess it must be though or there wouldn’t be so many vacant properties on the site.

      1. Donger

        I have a place in Temple Bar permanently on airbnb. Yes, it earns more than it would normally. There’s no prtb, no government restrictions on how much I can increase rent and no troublesome tenants that are virtually impossible to evict. There’s not much sympathy out there but being a small time landlord in Ireland is now a waste of time and money. No rights and rental income is heavily taxed.

        1. AlisonT

          A good location can make about 5 times as much on AirBnB and you avoid many of the problems of being a landlord. On top of that it is a lot harder for revenue to know how much rent a host gets.

          1. Donger

            I wouldn’t say that it’s harder. It’s very transparent. Airbnb account linked to bank so payments are very clear. It’s a lot less stress and I feel like I actually still own my property.

          2. classter

            ‘ it is a lot harder for revenue to know how much rent a host gets.’

            It is pretty easy for Revenue to audit, no?

            I’d be shocked if they didn’t have a big sweep in their sights.

        2. ahjayzis

          Then sell your flat, no one’s forcing you to own a massively overpriced asset you poor, sweet, rentier-class owner of a money printing press. It’s time to regulate amateurs like you out of housing.

          1. ollie

            ahjayzis what would be gained by regulating people out of the property rental market?

            You sound bitter, did you not get a toe on the property ladder when you could?

          2. ahjayzis

            We’d put housing in the hands of people who don’;t bitch and moan about how hard it is that the bricks and mortar they own is generating an income for them. Whining at every scrap of protection for the plebs they rent to.

            Houses can’t be moved abroad – if parasites don’t want to use their residential property for residential purposes they need to move on and free it up to be bought to be dwelt in or rented. We have a societal interest in housing stock – not in maximising the coin individuals can extract by taking housing out of circulation.

          3. Brother Barnabas

            “We’d put housing in the hands of people…”

            Who’s “we”?

            And you can put housing into whatever hands you like provided you’re prepared to pay for the privilege.

          4. ahjayzis

            Is English not your first language? By ‘We’ of course I mean the planning law related paramilitary organisation I’m setting up… or you know, Irish society and state.

            Permanently AirBnBing is a social ill – it removes housing supply and undercuts the more regulated and taxed hospitality industry that provides jobs.

            I’m not suggesting paying for anything, I’m suggesting enforcing the planning regulations governing change of use – if rentiers are upset about this, they can sell the property on to someone who will either live in it, or make it available to live in. Or indeed apply for a material change of use permission and make the required alterations to bring it into line with a public building.

          1. ollie

            So Ahjaysis you think that landlords are parasites yet you want houses made available for renters, who exactly would own these houses?
            You are confused and bitter, go and lie down.

          2. ahjayzis

            And you can’t read, pet.

            I think people who AirBnB their domestic property full time are parasites, and law breakers. I think landlords who complain that they have any tax to pay and any duties to their tenants should maybe get into another line of work.

      2. realPolithicks

        I rented a place in Kilmainham last year for nine days. It cost me about $145 per night for which I got two bedrooms, kitchen etc. I traveled over with my two daughters and would have paid considerably more if we had stayed in a hotel. My point here is that the person renting the apartment is probably making about $130 per night, which is considerably more than they would get monthly. Of course it does depend on how many days per year they actually have the property rented.

        1. Barry the Hatchet

          Well yes, they’re clearly making more per night. I’m just a bit surprised the flow of customers is sufficient that it would average out as being more profitable per annum than ordinary renting.

      1. backomebollix

        he’s right though. Its nothing to do with jealousy, or people just making a fair few quid with their own asset – it eventually becomes damaging to cities and communities.

    2. TheOtherGuy

      And how much would these 3 houses fetch on the open market at current rental rates? Actually even if you take 15% off the current market rate to adjust for the AirBnB influence (and 15% is being incredibly generous) how much rent would they fetch?

      Assuming they’re 3 bed house in say Dublin 14. There are currently 9 in that location on and the median monthly rent is €1,786. Adjust that by 15% and it’s €1,518. Which is probably in or around what the mortgages payments are plus a little more maybe to cover maintenance etc.

      Now the question is – how do you expect the government to pay for renting these properties at a rate that will cover the owners mortgages etc to the degree that we can house so many people who need a home? The answer is they can’t unless they raise taxes and given the real rate of tax for many taxpayers in Ireland is already 50%+ then how do you raise the tax take without a.) fastracking yourself to a crushing electoral defeat and b.) removing hundreds of millions of euro from the economy which is still in recovery? Point B being the one that is obviously the most concerning.

      So I’m curious to know how you think the government should pay for all these houses at that market value?

    3. kneel issa or go home

      Never heard such drivel in all my life. Using that logic owning hotels should be banned too and hotel assets confiscated and turned over to any rabble who can’t or won’t pay their way in society

      1. ahjayzis

        Hotels are actually hotels – they’re classed as hospitalty/amenity, they’ve gone through a planning process that aligns with a development plan so Dublin, you know, develops in a healthy way.

        Adding houses – classfied as residential – to another category without permission fupps up the plan, and thus balanced development.

  2. medieval knievel

    how do airbnb propose to house the homeless? they do not own any property.
    yes, the role of airbnb in the current property crisis is worth examining, but that proposal has no legs.

    1. TheOtherGuy

      Probably by reaching out to owners and saying “hey – do you want to help out and let some people who just arrived from a country where they were in daily danger of having a bomb land on them? If so let us know and we’ll co-ordinate things from this end.” or words to that affect. I imagine they’re probably looking for people to waive their rental fee too and it’ll all be based on it being a short term resolution.

      Why be so cynical? Just because there is a brand attached to it, doesn’t mean that the people’s motives can’t be altruistic.

  3. spudnick

    Does wanting to do one good thing make you a monster because you are not solving all the rest of the world’s problems at the same time?

      1. mildred st. meadowlark

        They were my first thoughts too.

        But I’m hoping that it’s just my cynical Monday mood.

  4. Anomanomanom

    More bullshit posts on BS. Air bnb are a business, simple. Does not matter if agree or not with what they do. Did the original poster give their home to any homeless.

  5. Dough Berman

    “Could they not they have done the same for homeless in Dublin?”

    No, they couldn’t. Next please.

  6. claralara

    Jesus – can we not just be happy at this worthy gesture to a GOBAL issue rather than our parochial problem (valid as it is).

  7. Spaghetti Hoop

    Airbnb are an agent, much like Short-term lets and appealing to many who don’t want to venture down the highly-priced hotel route. They have no obligation to the homeless people of the state they operate in; they are an agent for avid web-bookers. That they have opened up their vacant properties from their clients is a personal donation move – and, I add, a pretty good move by Airbnb in a marketing sense. So, why did they not do it for the Dublin homeless?

    (a) never thought of it
    (b) Apollo House was grabbing the headlines
    (c) Some homeless drink…..drink = messy

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