…my brother knew her when she lived in a tower block called World’s End at the unfashionable end of Chelsea…she would have been in her late 50s then but still very striking…that’s my Shayna story for the day…
Bertie Blenkinsop
She was stunning wasn’t she?
Love that 60’s glamour.
Woof Woof Frilly Keane
Yeah
She absolutely was
RIP
Although life wasn’t all that good to her in the end, when she was at her most beautiful and iconic is exactly how the World will remember her, and know her.
Capitan Alatriste
nice pic of niamh lyons on front of the times.
Twunt
Was Theresa May telling porkies to the DUP. They insist May told them Ireland would not let them see the agreement text, Ireland say no such thing happened. They can’t both be right, which leaves May and the UK government as piggy in the middle.
Lying to your coalition partners, tut tut, tick tick, time running out for the UK’s most incompetent PM in….well….probably ever.
some old queen
Technically they are not in a collation but I very much doubt the DUP were kept in the dark until the last minute. They are the most intransigent and downright stubborn outfit in either UK or Ireland so no matter what was proposed their default position would have been to oppose it.
NI remaining in the customs union would have left it a unique position as a gateway between the two blocks. Investment would have poured in and transformed the place but they wouldn’t have wanted that either of course.
Martco
well I’ve €50 @12/1 on her being gone before Xmas that hopes you’re right!!
Frilly Keane
Where d’ya get that price Martie?
Brother Barnabas
What do you reckon on a UK election by next summer, Frillz?
Frilly Keane
Nope.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tories come to another supplier deal with anudder crowd there in Westminster.
Although May is no different to Leosock tho
They’re both lame duck leaders
I’d say we’ll be into a GE before them tbh
But I wouldn’t rule out a 2nd Brexit Referendum – crazy as that may seem, especially lately
Brother Barnabas
who else is there though?
given what a fupp up it’s starting to look like, you’d wonder whether labour might agree to a UK version of the tallaght strategy… either that or the whole process is held ransom by the ulster taliban.
some old queen
‘The Ulster Taliban’, I like that. Beats my ‘Irish Amish’ I think.
Martco
BF had it on after she’d had her election shambles & went in with Arrrghlean
Warden of the Snort
I actually think she’s doing a great job considering the circumstances
She made a big mistake calling the election but she is coolness personified, always gracious and dignified, a good example was her calling out Trump last week, struck the right tone, she’s a professional and courteous lady as opposed to tedious boorishness and bullying Thatcher.
That said I feel also she and her entire government are living on borrowed time
Brother Barnabas
++ yep
But that was, in hindsight, a massive error – and at the worst possible time. Not even out of Phase 1 of Brexit talks and it’s upended everything. When all’s done, it’ll be that one decision that finished her.
Happy Molloy
I kind of pity the lady. I wouldn’t trade places with her for all the whiskey in China.
Woof Woof Frilly Keane
Ah right
I’ve a good few bob there on BF
Sitting around doing nothing
I keep forgetting to update my bank stuff to get it out of them
Christ, I hope I remember me log in now
Brother Barnabas
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an agreement not to involve the DUP or inform them about how things were shaping up during the negotiation – they’d obstruct and delay everything just out of stupidity and stubbornness. And you can see how that might have ultimately come across as “the Irish government told us not to show you the wording”.
TheRealJane
Difficult to see why Varadkar would refuse to let the DUP see the text. I think he’s pretty clear that it’s not his job to sort out the Conservative party’s internal issues. I just can’t see what the point in him saying that would have been and surely May can’t be craven enough to not negotiate with her own coalition partners on his say so?
GiggidyGoo
Varadkar is a liar and sneaky. Once you get to know that it’ll never be difficult to see through him.
TheRealJane
He may be all of that, but he’s not stupid.
Hog
He has the emotional IQ of a shrub.
ReproBertie
And yet he’s made it to the office of Taoiseach.
So what’s holding you back?
Hog
Donald J Trump. I rest my case.
rotide
You might not like Leo but how you can think that it’s his job to make sure the DUP are kept abreast of negotiations is beyond me.
Martco
yeah I thought that narrative was utter bs…I can’t see functionally how it would be the Irish Govt’s job to talk to DUP about this atall – diversion
I reckon it is as simple straightforward as herself’s team deciding to not to officially involve Arrghlean…I don’t buy that it was dumb in any way, deliberate.
Once upon a time in a prior career stint I remember well how someone very like Foster upset the balance in an internal company council…everyone hated sitting in the same room as her dogmatic self, alienated everyone but had this effect of uniting the rest of us in a very productive way! A part of me wonders if this is her play…
I don’t like Mays politics but I have to admit she’s persisted well, all the unrest and exposures to date in her battered career as pm and she’s still standing (just please please be gone by xmas so I can claim my winnings :) )
Listrade
To be fair, she’s only still there because they don’t really have anyone to take her place who wouldn’t divide the party. It would also likely mean a general election, which they desperately want to avoid.
It isn’t strength and persistence that’s keeping her there, it’s that the Tories fear more what would happen if she went.
Martco
I guess we just wait and see
Interesting how it’s being discussed in my workplace…almost like it’s Corrie…except with real people and real damage :(
Happy Molloy
Could the Tories seek a new coalition partner after the government has been formed or must a dissolution always prompt a general election?
some old queen
Good question. Given how high the stakes are, is there anyone else willing to row in behind the Tories? I nominate SNP and SF. LOL
May is back in parliament today. Ambulances on standby so.
Martco
that’s exactly what I was wondering
maybe Mays plan is to get the Taleban off her back by publicly showing everyone EXACTLY what she’s having to endure on top of somehow making this Brexit concept catastrophe work ….history will remember the DUP..maybe she can use them in a way to unite like ordinarily wouldn’t be possible?
Harry Molloy
apparently it would require a general election (is also the case here).
One difficult way to do it would be to have numerous bi-elections to try to gain an overall majority, but I doubt that could happen without opposition parties essentially volunteering their seats!
Listrade
Not a coalition as DUP have no power other than confidence and supply, which is basically pass budget and Queen’s speech and support in any No Confidence vote.
If the DUP end the deal it wouldn’t automatically end the government, but it’s pretty likely the only step is a general election. Tories could find a new partner, but unlikely they would, however I think they would need to be the ones to dissolve parliament and prepare for an election. The only other step would be a vote of no confidence (which Corbyn would probably call for immediately) and without the DUP support that could be an end. But that would mean DUP breaking tradition of Tory support and siding with Corbyn which given his past support of SF might be a step too far.
Nothing is simple.
Harry Molloy
Thanks. Interesting times for political junkies.
Bertie Blenkinsop
And with the fruition of Luas cross city works, junkies in general :)
Harry Molloy
:-)
some old queen
Well they have already sided with Labour on something, I can’t remember what it was but it was definitely since this confidence and supply thing came into being?
Warden of the Snort
Isn’t that FF Senator who changed his mind a great lad altogether
Christine Keeler, R.I.P.
…my brother knew her when she lived in a tower block called World’s End at the unfashionable end of Chelsea…she would have been in her late 50s then but still very striking…that’s my Shayna story for the day…
She was stunning wasn’t she?
Love that 60’s glamour.
Yeah
She absolutely was
RIP
Although life wasn’t all that good to her in the end, when she was at her most beautiful and iconic is exactly how the World will remember her, and know her.
nice pic of niamh lyons on front of the times.
Was Theresa May telling porkies to the DUP. They insist May told them Ireland would not let them see the agreement text, Ireland say no such thing happened. They can’t both be right, which leaves May and the UK government as piggy in the middle.
Lying to your coalition partners, tut tut, tick tick, time running out for the UK’s most incompetent PM in….well….probably ever.
Technically they are not in a collation but I very much doubt the DUP were kept in the dark until the last minute. They are the most intransigent and downright stubborn outfit in either UK or Ireland so no matter what was proposed their default position would have been to oppose it.
NI remaining in the customs union would have left it a unique position as a gateway between the two blocks. Investment would have poured in and transformed the place but they wouldn’t have wanted that either of course.
well I’ve €50 @12/1 on her being gone before Xmas that hopes you’re right!!
Where d’ya get that price Martie?
What do you reckon on a UK election by next summer, Frillz?
Nope.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tories come to another supplier deal with anudder crowd there in Westminster.
Although May is no different to Leosock tho
They’re both lame duck leaders
I’d say we’ll be into a GE before them tbh
But I wouldn’t rule out a 2nd Brexit Referendum – crazy as that may seem, especially lately
who else is there though?
given what a fupp up it’s starting to look like, you’d wonder whether labour might agree to a UK version of the tallaght strategy… either that or the whole process is held ransom by the ulster taliban.
‘The Ulster Taliban’, I like that. Beats my ‘Irish Amish’ I think.
BF had it on after she’d had her election shambles & went in with Arrrghlean
I actually think she’s doing a great job considering the circumstances
She made a big mistake calling the election but she is coolness personified, always gracious and dignified, a good example was her calling out Trump last week, struck the right tone, she’s a professional and courteous lady as opposed to tedious boorishness and bullying Thatcher.
That said I feel also she and her entire government are living on borrowed time
++ yep
But that was, in hindsight, a massive error – and at the worst possible time. Not even out of Phase 1 of Brexit talks and it’s upended everything. When all’s done, it’ll be that one decision that finished her.
I kind of pity the lady. I wouldn’t trade places with her for all the whiskey in China.
Ah right
I’ve a good few bob there on BF
Sitting around doing nothing
I keep forgetting to update my bank stuff to get it out of them
Christ, I hope I remember me log in now
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an agreement not to involve the DUP or inform them about how things were shaping up during the negotiation – they’d obstruct and delay everything just out of stupidity and stubbornness. And you can see how that might have ultimately come across as “the Irish government told us not to show you the wording”.
Difficult to see why Varadkar would refuse to let the DUP see the text. I think he’s pretty clear that it’s not his job to sort out the Conservative party’s internal issues. I just can’t see what the point in him saying that would have been and surely May can’t be craven enough to not negotiate with her own coalition partners on his say so?
Varadkar is a liar and sneaky. Once you get to know that it’ll never be difficult to see through him.
He may be all of that, but he’s not stupid.
He has the emotional IQ of a shrub.
And yet he’s made it to the office of Taoiseach.
So what’s holding you back?
Donald J Trump. I rest my case.
You might not like Leo but how you can think that it’s his job to make sure the DUP are kept abreast of negotiations is beyond me.
yeah I thought that narrative was utter bs…I can’t see functionally how it would be the Irish Govt’s job to talk to DUP about this atall – diversion
I reckon it is as simple straightforward as herself’s team deciding to not to officially involve Arrghlean…I don’t buy that it was dumb in any way, deliberate.
Once upon a time in a prior career stint I remember well how someone very like Foster upset the balance in an internal company council…everyone hated sitting in the same room as her dogmatic self, alienated everyone but had this effect of uniting the rest of us in a very productive way! A part of me wonders if this is her play…
I don’t like Mays politics but I have to admit she’s persisted well, all the unrest and exposures to date in her battered career as pm and she’s still standing (just please please be gone by xmas so I can claim my winnings :) )
To be fair, she’s only still there because they don’t really have anyone to take her place who wouldn’t divide the party. It would also likely mean a general election, which they desperately want to avoid.
It isn’t strength and persistence that’s keeping her there, it’s that the Tories fear more what would happen if she went.
I guess we just wait and see
Interesting how it’s being discussed in my workplace…almost like it’s Corrie…except with real people and real damage :(
Could the Tories seek a new coalition partner after the government has been formed or must a dissolution always prompt a general election?
Good question. Given how high the stakes are, is there anyone else willing to row in behind the Tories? I nominate SNP and SF. LOL
May is back in parliament today. Ambulances on standby so.
that’s exactly what I was wondering
maybe Mays plan is to get the Taleban off her back by publicly showing everyone EXACTLY what she’s having to endure on top of somehow making this Brexit concept catastrophe work ….history will remember the DUP..maybe she can use them in a way to unite like ordinarily wouldn’t be possible?
apparently it would require a general election (is also the case here).
One difficult way to do it would be to have numerous bi-elections to try to gain an overall majority, but I doubt that could happen without opposition parties essentially volunteering their seats!
Not a coalition as DUP have no power other than confidence and supply, which is basically pass budget and Queen’s speech and support in any No Confidence vote.
If the DUP end the deal it wouldn’t automatically end the government, but it’s pretty likely the only step is a general election. Tories could find a new partner, but unlikely they would, however I think they would need to be the ones to dissolve parliament and prepare for an election. The only other step would be a vote of no confidence (which Corbyn would probably call for immediately) and without the DUP support that could be an end. But that would mean DUP breaking tradition of Tory support and siding with Corbyn which given his past support of SF might be a step too far.
Nothing is simple.
Thanks. Interesting times for political junkies.
And with the fruition of Luas cross city works, junkies in general :)
:-)
Well they have already sided with Labour on something, I can’t remember what it was but it was definitely since this confidence and supply thing came into being?
Isn’t that FF Senator who changed his mind a great lad altogether