39 thoughts on “De Wednesday Papers

    1. bisted

      …my brother knew her when she lived in a tower block called World’s End at the unfashionable end of Chelsea…she would have been in her late 50s then but still very striking…that’s my Shayna story for the day…

        1. Woof Woof Frilly Keane

          Yeah
          She absolutely was
          RIP

          Although life wasn’t all that good to her in the end, when she was at her most beautiful and iconic is exactly how the World will remember her, and know her.

  1. Twunt

    Was Theresa May telling porkies to the DUP. They insist May told them Ireland would not let them see the agreement text, Ireland say no such thing happened. They can’t both be right, which leaves May and the UK government as piggy in the middle.

    Lying to your coalition partners, tut tut, tick tick, time running out for the UK’s most incompetent PM in….well….probably ever.

    1. some old queen

      Technically they are not in a collation but I very much doubt the DUP were kept in the dark until the last minute. They are the most intransigent and downright stubborn outfit in either UK or Ireland so no matter what was proposed their default position would have been to oppose it.

      NI remaining in the customs union would have left it a unique position as a gateway between the two blocks. Investment would have poured in and transformed the place but they wouldn’t have wanted that either of course.

          1. Frilly Keane

            Nope.
            But I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tories come to another supplier deal with anudder crowd there in Westminster.
            Although May is no different to Leosock tho
            They’re both lame duck leaders

            I’d say we’ll be into a GE before them tbh
            But I wouldn’t rule out a 2nd Brexit Referendum – crazy as that may seem, especially lately

          2. Brother Barnabas

            who else is there though?

            given what a fupp up it’s starting to look like, you’d wonder whether labour might agree to a UK version of the tallaght strategy… either that or the whole process is held ransom by the ulster taliban.

      1. Warden of the Snort

        I actually think she’s doing a great job considering the circumstances

        She made a big mistake calling the election but she is coolness personified, always gracious and dignified, a good example was her calling out Trump last week, struck the right tone, she’s a professional and courteous lady as opposed to tedious boorishness and bullying Thatcher.

        That said I feel also she and her entire government are living on borrowed time

        1. Brother Barnabas

          ++ yep

          But that was, in hindsight, a massive error – and at the worst possible time. Not even out of Phase 1 of Brexit talks and it’s upended everything. When all’s done, it’ll be that one decision that finished her.

      2. Woof Woof Frilly Keane

        Ah right
        I’ve a good few bob there on BF
        Sitting around doing nothing
        I keep forgetting to update my bank stuff to get it out of them

        Christ, I hope I remember me log in now

    2. Brother Barnabas

      I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an agreement not to involve the DUP or inform them about how things were shaping up during the negotiation – they’d obstruct and delay everything just out of stupidity and stubbornness. And you can see how that might have ultimately come across as “the Irish government told us not to show you the wording”.

  2. TheRealJane

    Difficult to see why Varadkar would refuse to let the DUP see the text. I think he’s pretty clear that it’s not his job to sort out the Conservative party’s internal issues. I just can’t see what the point in him saying that would have been and surely May can’t be craven enough to not negotiate with her own coalition partners on his say so?

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Varadkar is a liar and sneaky. Once you get to know that it’ll never be difficult to see through him.

      1. rotide

        You might not like Leo but how you can think that it’s his job to make sure the DUP are kept abreast of negotiations is beyond me.

        1. Martco

          yeah I thought that narrative was utter bs…I can’t see functionally how it would be the Irish Govt’s job to talk to DUP about this atall – diversion
          I reckon it is as simple straightforward as herself’s team deciding to not to officially involve Arrghlean…I don’t buy that it was dumb in any way, deliberate.
          Once upon a time in a prior career stint I remember well how someone very like Foster upset the balance in an internal company council…everyone hated sitting in the same room as her dogmatic self, alienated everyone but had this effect of uniting the rest of us in a very productive way! A part of me wonders if this is her play…
          I don’t like Mays politics but I have to admit she’s persisted well, all the unrest and exposures to date in her battered career as pm and she’s still standing (just please please be gone by xmas so I can claim my winnings :) )

          1. Listrade

            To be fair, she’s only still there because they don’t really have anyone to take her place who wouldn’t divide the party. It would also likely mean a general election, which they desperately want to avoid.

            It isn’t strength and persistence that’s keeping her there, it’s that the Tories fear more what would happen if she went.

          2. Martco

            I guess we just wait and see

            Interesting how it’s being discussed in my workplace…almost like it’s Corrie…except with real people and real damage :(

  3. Happy Molloy

    Could the Tories seek a new coalition partner after the government has been formed or must a dissolution always prompt a general election?

    1. some old queen

      Good question. Given how high the stakes are, is there anyone else willing to row in behind the Tories? I nominate SNP and SF. LOL

      May is back in parliament today. Ambulances on standby so.

      1. Martco

        that’s exactly what I was wondering

        maybe Mays plan is to get the Taleban off her back by publicly showing everyone EXACTLY what she’s having to endure on top of somehow making this Brexit concept catastrophe work ….history will remember the DUP..maybe she can use them in a way to unite like ordinarily wouldn’t be possible?

        1. Harry Molloy

          apparently it would require a general election (is also the case here).

          One difficult way to do it would be to have numerous bi-elections to try to gain an overall majority, but I doubt that could happen without opposition parties essentially volunteering their seats!

    2. Listrade

      Not a coalition as DUP have no power other than confidence and supply, which is basically pass budget and Queen’s speech and support in any No Confidence vote.

      If the DUP end the deal it wouldn’t automatically end the government, but it’s pretty likely the only step is a general election. Tories could find a new partner, but unlikely they would, however I think they would need to be the ones to dissolve parliament and prepare for an election. The only other step would be a vote of no confidence (which Corbyn would probably call for immediately) and without the DUP support that could be an end. But that would mean DUP breaking tradition of Tory support and siding with Corbyn which given his past support of SF might be a step too far.

      Nothing is simple.

      1. some old queen

        Well they have already sided with Labour on something, I can’t remember what it was but it was definitely since this confidence and supply thing came into being?

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