As a constituent I can confirm this to be the case.
In other FG news: Coveney continues to talk tosh. What ails him?
Bonkers
Wow, Broadsheet makes the front page of the Irish Times. Are ye hot? Sure are !
jusayinlike
+1 I love broadsheet.ie..
Spud
I missed all the kerfuffle.
I presume all posts / threads have since been deleted?
Probably a spike in activity on the site today.
Hi newbies! Come in and make yourselves at home! The kettle is just on and the smart comments and puns will be along shortly…
Frilly Keane
and if ye like cake there’s a new Bakesheet up
Janet, I ate my Avatar
clean handtowels and everyting
Frilly Keane
ah yeah
we’re going all out to impress the visitors
I might even go out and get them shop bought Swiss Roll
Will BS pay for any legal costs Shayna will incur I wonder? Those comments had trouble written all over them.
Bonkers
Tis hardly BS fault, the juror does have personal responsibility for what they wrote. Plus BS took the comments down when requested to by the juror.
Lilly
I couldn’t see anything wrong with her comments. They were helpful and offered her own perspective and not details of jury deliberations. Hope they are not taken out of context, and that she doesn’t get into trouble for making them.
( I’m +1ing the second part of that as I didn’t see the comments and cannot comment on them. Just to clarify )
qwerty123
She was told not to discuss the deliberations. It would be then therefore hard to discuss any part of the trial that might not be construed as jury deliberations. As one would imagine everything was considered as part of those discussions.
Some of it was a little risky in my opinion, phrases such as “it was noted”, etc etc. It was a fine line, hopefully she will just get a warning.
Lilly
Her intentions were good. It’s so easy for members of the public (myself included) to get caught up in the Twitter furore, and forget that we were not there.
qwerty123
Her intentions were good, but very stupid. BS should have known it was not acceptable, or at least checked. Now she is in fear of being arrested and will need to engage a solicitor at a minimum.
Frilly Keane
arrested for wha?
there was nothing she wasn’t entitled to say
even if it did slip into hairdresser talk
like about the complainants’ family home
Like I dunno what yere giving out about here for
here’s the real story
The Irish TImes went and grassed up Broadsheet to the Brits
Janet, I ate my Avatar
same
I thought she was discreet and measured
GiggidyGoo
If the case is over and decided upon, are jurors legally unable to discuss it.? The public were allowed in throughout the proceedings.
” The Swedish Gov’t put out a public service leaflet suggesting that being “married to a child” was not acceptable practice. It was recalled because it caused offense. It’s better that kids be abused than to insult those engaging in a barbaric practice? Sure, all cultures are equal https://t.co/qjoqu04Qzn ”
“Yesterday, following a query from The Irish Times about the remarks…” Does that mean The Irish Times made a complaint about the remarks, bringing them to the attention of the Public Prosecution Service? Busy bodies. This is why we never read any actual ‘news’ in The Irish Times.
qwerty123
Do be honest, I think we are seeing journalism from a paper of record (i know, I know, its crap etc) versus an online blog pretend journalism. Nobody in their right mind would have allowed those comments, in fact BS staff were involved in reassuring people that she was an actual juror as people were doubting the validity of those comments!!
I actually remember one BS commenter saying they would complain to the judge re comments on that post, forget who it was. Think it was over middle class background of complainant being relevant.
Lilly
Pretend journalism? Some of the best journalism in the country in the past few years has been produced by Broadsheet.
qwerty123
I know, they are making front page headlines today for sure.
mildred st. meadowlark
I think you’re spouting poo there q.
They’ve pushed stories that other bigger publications scorn (or fear) to report on. Look at the amazing work done by Olga on the McCabe story. Or their continued reporting on the Gibney story.
You may not always agree with hoe they do things here but don’t try to denigrate the great journalism they produce, with only a fraction of the cost of the IT.
qwerty123
Great Journalism? Get outta here, you’d have to look further afield for great journalism in Ireland.
Being able to sit in a tribunal and transcribe and publishing other journalists work (Irvin Muchnik) does not equal great journalism.
Now where is that receipt of that expensive coffee I had….
Also, kudos on being able to curse.
siblingofdaedalus
Just to be clear, I pointed out the comments were in breach of the apparent prohibition on online commenting in the UK juror guidelines.
The juror responded saying they were never told of this. I didn’t make a complaint or say that I was going to make one.
Disappointing that jurors were not properly informed as you can’t expect them to have legal knowledge.
The guidelines are somewhat ambiguous as they say on the one hand the case can be discussed, though not the deliberations, but then say not online.
I would appreciate if my comment were not used to put down Broadsheet which is an excellent site. I will never forget how the Kate Fitzgerald story exposed the Irish Times’ true journalistic integrity.
rotide
No, thats not what happened sibling.
You pointed out that the comments were in breach of the UK juror guidelines and she responded that she had not talked about the things that she was not supposed to talk about.
Ofc we can’t confirm this since the posts were deleted
Nigel
Well, she made her comments and Sibling expressed the need for caution, which were well founded. Even if she didn’t breach any guidelines it can’t be much fun to be natonal news like this and under investigation.
Rotide, thank you for your response. What I said was that although the guidelines say that a juror may talk about the case but not the deliberations, they also say that the juror must not comment on any social media site about the case. From the juror’s response, it was clear that he had not been informed of this part of the guidelines, so I left it at that. Happy my summary is accurate, sorry if you disagree.
siblingofdaedalus
“he or she had not been informed”.
It seems like the courts need to keep up to date with social media!
Frilly Keane
Grassed them up to the Brits
and not just the local Under cover lad
they went straight to the Queen’s Judicary
btw Qwert
the Irish Times when whinging cause they didn’t get the foreperson of the Rugby Rape trial on their platform
and they were fairly numb through out the whole thing
I imagine if t’was boxers or jockies they’d have put a team up in that Belfast court house
Shayna O’Neill came here
and there is a reason for that
and knowing that they had this access and sourse at NO STAGE did Broadsheet exploit that relationship
or publish that relationship or even let hint of it
Unlike what many others, most of them up there under mastheads, would’ah done
Sniffin
What are you blathering on about?
Frilly Keane
you’re not from around here are ya Snif
Capitan Alatriste
im surprised bs they werent deleted straightaway whenever I post anything a little bold its gone vamoose. perhaps as we are a different jurisdiction. the funny thing is this is a fact a rugby player who was found guilty of a sexual assault and received a suspended sentence is still playing for his club in dublin. the irfu had no problem with that. google it.
qwerty123
did your comments disappear in a poff of smoke?
Lilly
Jaykers, you think Ryan Tubridy is hopeless and then you hear poor ole Dave Fanning filling in for him.
Hank
Wash your mouth out, I could listen to Dave all day. His naturally chaotic style only adds to the charm.
Jim Daly = muppet
As a constituent I can confirm this to be the case.
In other FG news: Coveney continues to talk tosh. What ails him?
Wow, Broadsheet makes the front page of the Irish Times. Are ye hot? Sure are !
+1 I love broadsheet.ie..
I missed all the kerfuffle.
I presume all posts / threads have since been deleted?
Probably a spike in activity on the site today.
Hi newbies! Come in and make yourselves at home! The kettle is just on and the smart comments and puns will be along shortly…
and if ye like cake there’s a new Bakesheet up
clean handtowels and everyting
ah yeah
we’re going all out to impress the visitors
I might even go out and get them shop bought Swiss Roll
when it stops raining like
Quick everyone pretend we’re cool.
:0)
chuckling here
maybe I’m toy cynical but…
Will BS pay for any legal costs Shayna will incur I wonder? Those comments had trouble written all over them.
Tis hardly BS fault, the juror does have personal responsibility for what they wrote. Plus BS took the comments down when requested to by the juror.
I couldn’t see anything wrong with her comments. They were helpful and offered her own perspective and not details of jury deliberations. Hope they are not taken out of context, and that she doesn’t get into trouble for making them.
+1
( I’m +1ing the second part of that as I didn’t see the comments and cannot comment on them. Just to clarify )
She was told not to discuss the deliberations. It would be then therefore hard to discuss any part of the trial that might not be construed as jury deliberations. As one would imagine everything was considered as part of those discussions.
Some of it was a little risky in my opinion, phrases such as “it was noted”, etc etc. It was a fine line, hopefully she will just get a warning.
Her intentions were good. It’s so easy for members of the public (myself included) to get caught up in the Twitter furore, and forget that we were not there.
Her intentions were good, but very stupid. BS should have known it was not acceptable, or at least checked. Now she is in fear of being arrested and will need to engage a solicitor at a minimum.
arrested for wha?
there was nothing she wasn’t entitled to say
even if it did slip into hairdresser talk
like about the complainants’ family home
Like I dunno what yere giving out about here for
here’s the real story
The Irish TImes went and grassed up Broadsheet to the Brits
same
I thought she was discreet and measured
If the case is over and decided upon, are jurors legally unable to discuss it.? The public were allowed in throughout the proceedings.
Jaysus, I missed the comments. Hope she’s in and out, and no harm done.
I’m genuinely upset for her :(
Some of the media reports mention a ‘he’
It’s a bit like that scene in The Crying Game.
Ah hear!
Go Sweden :(
” The Swedish Gov’t put out a public service leaflet suggesting that being “married to a child” was not acceptable practice. It was recalled because it caused offense. It’s better that kids be abused than to insult those engaging in a barbaric practice? Sure, all cultures are equal https://t.co/qjoqu04Qzn ”
https://twitter.com/DMillardHaskell/status/979478765460971520?s=19
Got a non-twitter source for that?
Here it says it was withdrawn because while the brochure made it clear child marriage was illegal in Sweden, the language was not strong enough: https://www.rt.com/news/422744-sweden-child-marriage-brochure/
“Yesterday, following a query from The Irish Times about the remarks…” Does that mean The Irish Times made a complaint about the remarks, bringing them to the attention of the Public Prosecution Service? Busy bodies. This is why we never read any actual ‘news’ in The Irish Times.
Do be honest, I think we are seeing journalism from a paper of record (i know, I know, its crap etc) versus an online blog pretend journalism. Nobody in their right mind would have allowed those comments, in fact BS staff were involved in reassuring people that she was an actual juror as people were doubting the validity of those comments!!
I actually remember one BS commenter saying they would complain to the judge re comments on that post, forget who it was. Think it was over middle class background of complainant being relevant.
Pretend journalism? Some of the best journalism in the country in the past few years has been produced by Broadsheet.
I know, they are making front page headlines today for sure.
I think you’re spouting poo there q.
They’ve pushed stories that other bigger publications scorn (or fear) to report on. Look at the amazing work done by Olga on the McCabe story. Or their continued reporting on the Gibney story.
You may not always agree with hoe they do things here but don’t try to denigrate the great journalism they produce, with only a fraction of the cost of the IT.
Great Journalism? Get outta here, you’d have to look further afield for great journalism in Ireland.
Being able to sit in a tribunal and transcribe and publishing other journalists work (Irvin Muchnik) does not equal great journalism.
Now where is that receipt of that expensive coffee I had….
Also, kudos on being able to curse.
Just to be clear, I pointed out the comments were in breach of the apparent prohibition on online commenting in the UK juror guidelines.
The juror responded saying they were never told of this. I didn’t make a complaint or say that I was going to make one.
Disappointing that jurors were not properly informed as you can’t expect them to have legal knowledge.
The guidelines are somewhat ambiguous as they say on the one hand the case can be discussed, though not the deliberations, but then say not online.
I would appreciate if my comment were not used to put down Broadsheet which is an excellent site. I will never forget how the Kate Fitzgerald story exposed the Irish Times’ true journalistic integrity.
No, thats not what happened sibling.
You pointed out that the comments were in breach of the UK juror guidelines and she responded that she had not talked about the things that she was not supposed to talk about.
Ofc we can’t confirm this since the posts were deleted
Well, she made her comments and Sibling expressed the need for caution, which were well founded. Even if she didn’t breach any guidelines it can’t be much fun to be natonal news like this and under investigation.
+1
Rotide, thank you for your response. What I said was that although the guidelines say that a juror may talk about the case but not the deliberations, they also say that the juror must not comment on any social media site about the case. From the juror’s response, it was clear that he had not been informed of this part of the guidelines, so I left it at that. Happy my summary is accurate, sorry if you disagree.
“he or she had not been informed”.
It seems like the courts need to keep up to date with social media!
Grassed them up to the Brits
and not just the local Under cover lad
they went straight to the Queen’s Judicary
btw Qwert
the Irish Times when whinging cause they didn’t get the foreperson of the Rugby Rape trial on their platform
and they were fairly numb through out the whole thing
I imagine if t’was boxers or jockies they’d have put a team up in that Belfast court house
Shayna O’Neill came here
and there is a reason for that
and knowing that they had this access and sourse
at NO STAGE did Broadsheet exploit that relationship
or publish that relationship or even let hint of it
Unlike what many others, most of them up there under mastheads, would’ah done
What are you blathering on about?
you’re not from around here are ya Snif
im surprised bs they werent deleted straightaway whenever I post anything a little bold its gone vamoose. perhaps as we are a different jurisdiction. the funny thing is this is a fact a rugby player who was found guilty of a sexual assault and received a suspended sentence is still playing for his club in dublin. the irfu had no problem with that. google it.
did your comments disappear in a poff of smoke?
Jaykers, you think Ryan Tubridy is hopeless and then you hear poor ole Dave Fanning filling in for him.
Wash your mouth out, I could listen to Dave all day. His naturally chaotic style only adds to the charm.
+1… his show on the weekends should be longer.