Low Lie The Fields


Apple scraps plan for €850 million data centre in Athenry (Irish Times)

34 thoughts on “Low Lie The Fields

  1. Joe Small

    Meanwhile the Danish data centre announced at the same time is up and running and a second Danish centre is planned. I doubt the Danes have lower building or environmental standards than us – they just don’t have our clunky legal system or anachronistic planning regime.

  2. TheOtherGuy

    How was this allowed to happen?

    If I was from Athenry I’d be fairly disgusted with those who challenged ABP’s decision to grant permission.


    1. filly buster

      why would anyone oppose it? must be a mix of rich landowners who don’t want the influx of people interupting hunting season and buildings ruining the skyline, and backwards people who dont like change. Jesus if they had gotten to build it it would have made a big impact for local businesses and what not. They’ve really shot themselves in the foot with this one.

      1. b

        it was primarily a rich landowner from Wicklow who wanted it built on his land instead, locals were largely in favour of it

  3. ____

    “All the jobs are in Dublin, It’s not fair!”

    … …

    “What!?! You can’t build that there, go away.”

  4. Not On Your Nelly

    We don’t even have an actual apple store in this country. They couldn’t give two flutes about this place. We are a money funnel. And very little touches the sides.

    1. b

      well apart from the 5,500 people they employ in Ireland already

      who gives a fupp about an apple store anyway, it’s just a place where teenagers hang around to use free ipads and some dickhead with a lanyard to tell you your phone is out of warranty

    2. TheOtherGuy

      Except for the tax the 5.5k employees pay. And the PRSI contributions the company makes. And the Pension contributions too. And the trickle down effect that having 25% of the European workforce of the largest corporation on the face of the planet has to local economies.

      1. Not On Your Nelly

        I still have to wait to buy an iPhone when they release a new one. And I can’t go into an over designed cathedral to consumerism in this country. We can see what they really think about us.

        We are a money funnel. And we tug our forelocks as they laugh at us. At least they don’t need suicide nets here. Most just use the crying chair at home in their well priced aportment.

        1. TheOtherGuy

          You really don’t have to wait though. You can just go ahead and get them on contract from your mobile network when they go on sale. The notion of having to wait is a bit of a non starter now.

          And why would you want to go into an ‘over designed cathedral to consumerism’? It sounds like such a thing would bring you out in a rash.

          We may well be a money funnel but the idea that the opportunity for a project of this size was lost because someone objected to the plans being approved is laughable in the extreme.

      2. johnny

        why are you conflating taxes on labor with practically none on the ‘largest’ corporation in the world ?
        this is simply awful timing,Heather flies all way New York,attends Ireland Fund Gala (table min 12,500) but doesn’t bother meet with Apple ?
        now not exactly a very high powered US delegation,looks more like a ‘pop in’ than bilateral trade talks, is Heather bigging up her role once again !

        1. TheOtherGuy

          I was making the point that while the tax issue is one of note, they still supply jobs. And Athenry, and the west in general, could do with more good news on the jobs front. Jobs are good.

          Do we need to fix the tax stuff. Sure.

          Do we need jobs outside of Dublin? Most definitely.

          1. johnny

            the donkey didn’t take the carrot huh time for some stick, thanks for stating the bleeding obvious, yes jobs are good so is corporation tax which can lower the tax burden on wages and labour !

          2. TheOtherGuy

            You actually made a point. OK good. I can work with this.

            Low corporation tax encourages inward investment (something we need being a small island without any real industry of note to call our own). Applied properly (like closing loopholes) it also means there are disincentives to avoid paying it from the Corporations POV (although we haven’t really grasped that here I’ll grant you).

            But the problem isn’t of Apple’s making (or Facebook, Twitter and so on) it’s of our own civil service’s making. The low nature of the existing tax here along with our soon to be new found status as the only English speaking country in the EU amongst other things still makes us an attractive proposition.

            While scale wise it’s different, it is in fact not that different to you getting work done on your house and getting the builder to purchase the sanitary ware or kitchen because they get a discount that you don’t.

            But will it decrease the tax burden on the workforce? Possibly, but not very likely.

          3. Otis Blue

            What’s this only English speaking country in the EU nonsense?

            If you believe that you really need to get out more.

          4. johnny

            again with the 50’s you’ve been captured by the IDA and the yanks.
            why isn’t there any indigenous industry,Irelands international reputation and potential in the agri sector is completely unrealized.
            the dependance on the kindness off multi national corporations is seriously flawed and outdated.
            Europe is moving away from and seriously pi**ed at tax ‘deals’,speaking English is like saying Florida has nice weather….

          5. TheOtherGuy

            The Yanks…You say that like it’s a bad word. Is that your real issue? That we’re beholden to another country so much?

            As for our Agri sector being unrealised, we’ve been trying to realise it for years and we’re in our 7th (or is it 8th) straight year of growth in food exports. €12b or thereabouts. Agri has a part to play. But agri is based, you know, in rural areas and not everyone (gasp) wants to work on a farm or in the agri sector.

            And the agri sector is a commodities sector. Subject to market prices. What people are willing to pay and so on. So there’s that to consider too.

            The dependance on inward investment isn’t flawed. It just makes sense to a small open economy. It’s allowed Ireland to become a hot bed of entrepreneurship too. How many startups are there that have founders that have worked in one of these companies that came here?

          6. johnny

            no problem with brits or yanks so long as they pay their fair share of taxes and are good corporate citizens-Apple is neither.
            whats with the counterfactual history-irelands inherent entrepreneurial spirit was hardly awakened by tax avoiding yanks !

        2. Otis Blue

          Humphreys has no discernible talent or skill, reads from the script, won’t rock any boats, just delighted to be there above any other consideration.

          The ‘ideal’ FG Minister. For the taxpayer, not so much.

          1. Johnny

            Her talent for self promotion and exaggeration is Olympian.The state pays for her fly (1st ?) class to New York over the bank holiday weekend,put her and her entourage up in most likeky a “Irish” hotel (Fitzpatrick’s?) owned by DOB’s bestie.She takes a table or two at the most obnoxious self congratulatory plastic paddy event,over 12,500 per table with Fitzpatrick.
            Yet doesn’t meet any Apple execs,maybe she upgraded her phone in the big apple….

      3. Kolmo

        ‘Tis only a fraction of turnover..
        Taxes for the little people only – don’t be little people..they’re saps

        1. TheOtherGuy

          Yes trickle down effect. Like having enough numbers in an area to sustain a primary school, or perhaps a post office. Or maybe ensuring local services like public transport are maintained in an area so people can actually get to to work. Or perhaps even having a place that people can aspire to work in and not all move to Dublin to try and get a job thus driving the price of housing up further.

          OR did you automatically assume I meant something about money being spent?

          Good one. I needed a chuckle this morning too.

          1. johnny

            FFS Dev wants the 50’s back its 2018 !
            “the Ireland that we dreamed of, would be the home of a people who valued material wealth only as a basis for right living, of a people who, satisfied with frugal comfort, devoted their leisure to the things of the spirit – a land whose countryside would be bright with cosy homesteads, whose fields and villages would be joyous with the sounds of industry, with the romping of sturdy children, the contest of athletic youths and the laughter of happy maidens…”

          2. TheOtherGuy

            I’m not sure what Dev has to do with any of this. If Dev was around we’d all be kneeling to the church still.

            And I never mentioned anything about Frugal living? Who wants frugal living? Have a job, get paid, have material things and enjoy life. Plenty of people who don’t want to have to live in the city to work though. Or haven’t you noticed the buses and trains full of people heading back down the country to see their friends and family every weekend from every city in Ireland.

            Make a point instead of copying a quote from somewhere.

          3. johnny

            no actually I don’t stand outside bus and train stations watching people go ‘home’ on Fridays-shoud I ?
            what has Apple go to do with the dept of education, are you expecting a wave of primary school and post offices closures in Athenry ?

          4. TheOtherGuy

            You don’t need to stand outside anywhere. You just need to work in an office in Dublin to see people coming in on Fridays with bags packed ready to go home and/or on Monday morning talking about the weekend they just spent at home. It’s pretty common. Standing outside a train/bus station sounds like monumental waste of time and effort tbh.

            Apple has nothing to do with the Dept of Education (unless they’re running some sort of scheme to supply schools with cheap iPads for students or something perhaps?)

            No no, it’s more that when people don’t have to move from from rural and small town Ireland to larger cities/towns the sustainability of schools and post offices, banks, Garda stations and so on becomes less of an issue.

            And while I’m not expecting a ‘wave’ of closures in Athenry – 140 Garda Stations were closed between 2007 and 2014. 300+ Post offices will probably close in the coming years. Ulster Bank are closing 22 branches. It’s not that long ago that rural schools were being threatened with losing a teacher because they were too small.

          5. johnny

            homeless is also up, the health care sector is a shambles, vulture funds own half the country, but like Garda station closures,PO closures and crap predatory banks closing-WTF has that to do with Apple or you misty eyed backwards view of ‘modern’ Ireland ?
            join us in 2018-its called progress and change,dont be so afraid of the future !

  5. Martco

    change the law & abolish ABP (it’s simply not fit for purpose)

    everyone is entitled to their day in court – as long as they’re dirt poor, very wealthy or charity groups like An Taisce being inappropriately leveraged for someone’s benefit in this kind of situation

    current system too easily manipulated

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