Deaf Community Together For Yes writes:
Deaf Community Together for Yes wants Ireland to care for our deaf women, be compassionate towards deaf women, and change our current laws which marginalise, isolate and put our deaf women at risk.
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ah they’re cool!
Id say negative Science guy hates them and thinks theyre a waste of time and done by someone on the dole
Now, Gavin, don’t rent out headspace to people who don’t deserve the free gaff.
best comment of the week
I have been getting sucked in
have a great weekend folks
Irish Sign Language is different to British Sign Language so when a deaf woman or girl has to travel to the UK, the fear of not understanding what’s being said, or being understood herself, adds to the pressure she’s already under.
That’s a very good point Daisy.
i did not know this. thanks daisy
I thought sign language was all based on the american with only dialects and ‘accent’ differences?
No.
Def not. Is there not different dialects within Ireland too?
Is there supoort for our gay deaf friends as they can feel isolated within this community.
Yes there is. You see groups out on the scene yapping away like the rest of us. It would be harder outside the cities but that’s a given for all LGBT people mind.
ISL should be enshrined in our constitution as a national language and taught in all schools. Kids are sponges and will pick it up in no time and in a generation deaf people will never have to worry about being misunderstood.
I’ve learned a fair bit of Makaton from Mr Tumble.
would you allow mr tumble to babysit?
exactly
something not right there
he’s a future daily mail headline for sure.
You’re like “He Who Will Not Be Spoken Of”.
I like him. I think I like him more than BabyAndy does.
Gigglebiz makes me laugh.
We’re fans of Mr Tumble in our house. Gigglebiz is gas. Though Mini thinks she’s a comedian these days and keeps swanning around telling jokes that not only make no sense but aren’t even funny.
Then she retreats to her lair on the stairs to laugh hysterically with her imaginary cabal.
…sounds like she has a future on broadsheet.
No, but yes.
It shouldn’t be in the constitution. It should be taught in schools.
Putting it in the Constitution gives deaf people the right to have their business dealt with through ISL.
Strange time for people to be espousing the view “it should be in the constitution”
Fair point indeed.
That’s definitely a good idea.
Nice idea but ultimately not viable.
Kids are sponges and will pick it up in no time
If that was the case, we’d be having this conversation in Irish. We all learn Irish in school and a very large amount of us still don’t understand a word. You have to be speaking the language you sponge up to make it stick and thats unlikely to happen for the vast majority of students learning mandatory ISL.
Is that not to do with how it’s taught?
I think the point is that if teachers can’t/won’t teach Irish properly – why would they teach ISL properly.
(or, not blaming the teachers, possibly – if kids can’t/won’t learn Irish – why would they learn ISL)
well it’s going to be more interactive and ludique by it’s nature
Cá bhfuil mo madra?
Kur mano šuo?
Which of those did you understand Rotide? I’m guessing the one you did in school. A very large amount of us remember a lot of Irish but, because we’re out of practice, don’t believe we remember any.
like everything
Don’t use it you loose it
I though that using it, made it loose?
That’s exactly my point about sign language.
It won’t be used in the vast majority of cases so we’ll be teaching every kid in ireland how to say ‘can i go to the toilet’ in ISL
most kids already know how to communicate that in sign language
Obviously i recognise the Madra thing.
But yeah, lets give funding to implement ISL classes in every school so that people will be just about able to sign about their dog. Now pick something to defund. Homeless funding? Rape crisis funding? How about we just decrease the dole. Is it worth it so I can eventually sign ‘where is my dog’?
Funding has nothing to do with it. Replace religion with some basic ISL and make Ireland a better place for deaf people. Where’s the downside? Even if people just know a cúpla focal in ISL it normalises it and that’s a start. We’ll never get anywhere if we focus on the negatives.
My wife teaches Irish to adults occasionally who haven’t spoken it in decades and almost always all of them are shocked at how much they’ve retained without realising it. I think the real problem with the proposal would be fitting it into the already crowded curriculum.
You have a wife Nigel??? Well I’ll be damned, thought you were a queen without doubt. That’s shocked me to the core, feckin hell, that’s a turn up for the books, I need a brandy. For a straight man you’re some biatch!!!!
abusive homophobic comment needs deleted
Unless of course the poster is gay and then it’s all cool. SOQ talks like this regularly
like it or not SOQ isn’t you g his language to insult anyone
stop pretending you can’t see the difference
Yeah sorry Karina I’m taken. Also, Repeal The Eighth.
If SOQ had written that comment you wouldn’t bat an eyelid.
The comment reads to me as if someone like SOQ wrote it. If it was aimed at me, I wouldn’t be in the slightest bit offended.
Well yeah, but from SOQ it would be a compliment. No idea who this Karina is.
If ISL were enshrined in our constitution it would have to be repealed, because what about the blind?
I once attended a disability awareness course which was the best craic I have had in a long time. It was divided into three areas of hearing, sight and physical. The only thing I didn’t like about the hearing was that it was quite political when in fact, we were all there to help (architects, engineers etc).
The big lesson was that when it comes to sight and hearing, there is a range of conditions which are not necessarily 100% blind or deaf. We were given glasses replicating 10-12 different eye conditions which made me stop and not be so impatient when someone is fumbling for change getting onto a bus or the likes. Also how to offer assistance to someone crossing the road as there is a protocol and yes, they do appreciate the help.
That course should definitely be taught in schools, it should be part of the national curriculum. It is designed and presented by people with disabilities, so it really is the real deal.
Context
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/mar/09/genetics.medicalresearch
I don’t know how to feel about this
John: I am getting bored with this poo. You really are becoming a cliché with the in house trolling. Decide?
Gallaudet University in Washington DC,teaches American Sign Language (ASL) and kids with learning disabilities (dyslexia),can immerse themselves there during summer.
It’s recognized as an official language by most US universities,kids who’ve competed the summer program have described it as life changing.It can also move the dial significantly in college applications.
This is a wonderful idea and should be applauded:)
The Irish Sign Language Recognition Bill was initiated by Mark Daly as a Private Members Bill in the Seanad and became law a few months ago having passed all stages with cross-party support.